NFL 2024: The Week 6 thread

Bills really trying to lose this one.

"Improper conversation with an official." LMAO.

This game is drunk with the most randomness calls.

I'm a fairly casual NFL viewer and I have a question about a type of play call.

For the super fast pass out to the WR essentially at the line of scrimmage, I can't remember a time this play made more than 2 yards and very frequently zero. Is this type of play mostly to keep CB honest? or create space or doubt for other plays? Or am I just not remembering the times they work?

Bruce wrote:

For the super fast pass out to the WR essentially at the line of scrimmage, I can't remember a time this play made more than 2 yards and very frequently zero. Is this type of play mostly to keep CB honest? or create space or doubt for other plays? Or am I just not remembering the times they work?

They’re low risk, and plenty of them do break loose for chunks of yards.

Refs try to bail out Qaron from his fumble so he throws a pick. Justice

Bruce wrote:

I'm a fairly casual NFL viewer and I have a question about a type of play call.

For the super fast pass out to the WR essentially at the line of scrimmage, I can't remember a time this play made more than 2 yards and very frequently zero. Is this type of play mostly to keep CB honest? or create space or doubt for other plays? Or am I just not remembering the times they work?

It’s called a wide receiver screen and some teams do better at it than others. The Niners, in particular make extensive use of it and have been known to burn teams with it. Last weekend, the Ravens threw one to wr Zay Flowers that went for 51 yards.

edit: First play on the video.

The WR screen is often used to beat defenses that stack the middle to stop the off tackle run or bring defenders up to the line of scrimmage to bring pressure to the QB. In either case, it provides the offense a momentary numbers advantage on the outside that allows a speedy ball carrier to "break the shell" and exploit voids in the coverage. Particularly if the defense is cheating forward, these plays have tremendous potential to become "chunk" plays because they catch backfield defenders out of position.

Davante Adams to the Jets. For a conditional third that can become a second.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Davante Adams to the Jets. For a conditional third that can become a second.

Speaking of WR screens!

Are the Jets at best a WC team? Their schedule does get better but Steelers this week so not sure if Rodgers comes out alive.

Yeah. This doesn't suddenly turn the Jets into an offensive powerhouse unless I am missing something super important. The issue isn't a lack of weapons and never was. It is the fact that Hackett is still OC and his playbook could fit in a folder of Trump's truthful statements.

Paleocon wrote:

It’s called a wide receiver screen and some teams do better at it than others. The Niners, in particular make extensive use of it and have been known to burn teams with it.

The Niners have Deebo, one of the best there is currently at avoiding or breaking a tackle. So yeah he crushes these type of plays.

Paleocon wrote:

Yeah. This doesn't suddenly turn the Jets into an offensive powerhouse unless I am missing something super important. The issue isn't a lack of weapons and never was. It is the fact that Hackett is still OC and his playbook could fit in a folder of Trump's truthful statements.

The Jets were a pair of doinks away from winning last night. And if QAaron is throwing that last-second heave to Adams instead of the husk of Mike Williams, maybe the Jets win after all.

It's a maximum chaos move, so I'm all in favor. Now to get Maxx Crosby to Detroit ...

Williams is definitely going on the trade block. Wilson will drop in the target list and might be less than fully gruntled.

This is a lot of chaos for a team that is still going to finish with 9 wins or less.

The Jets don't have a particularly awful schedule from this point onwards; their likely tough games are Buffalo and Houston, and that's it. Maybe Pittsburgh or Miami if Tua does come back to completely scramble his brain. There are games against NE, Arizona, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, the Rams . . . it's very conceivable they stumble into a wild card, and ever since the Giants won two Super Bowls doing that a lot of teams figure they'll take the chance of getting in the playoffs and Then Stuff Happens. I mean, the Adams trade is a 3rd, and it's only a 2nd if he's an All-Pro or the Jets make the AFCCG, and as a 3rd, sure, it's worth the risk.

Realistically speaking, they're going to lose a few more games, Qaaron will keep throwing teammates under the bus, the interim coach won't have the authority to do anything, and they'll implode spectacularly, but it's the Jets and with their ownership it just doesn't matter anyways.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

The Jets don't have a particularly awful schedule from this point onwards; their likely tough games are Buffalo and Houston, and that's it. Maybe Pittsburgh or Miami if Tua does come back to completely scramble his brain. There are games against NE, Arizona, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, the Rams . . . it's very conceivable they stumble into a wild card, and ever since the Giants won two Super Bowls doing that a lot of teams figure they'll take the chance of getting in the playoffs and Then Stuff Happens. I mean, the Adams trade is a 3rd, and it's only a 2nd if he's an All-Pro or the Jets make the AFCCG, and as a 3rd, sure, it's worth the risk.

Realistically speaking, they're going to lose a few more games, Qaaron will keep throwing teammates under the bus, the interim coach won't have the authority to do anything, and they'll implode spectacularly, but it's the Jets and with their ownership it just doesn't matter anyways.

If they can get Hassan Reddick to show up next the hype train is going to be peak as they crush the soft part of the schedule.

Not sure what they got left to help Rodgers not get snapped in half though.

Davante implies he might be able to chuck it even quicker to stay out of danger. I don't think that solves the type of hits he was taking vs the Bills yesterday. They will need to wheel him to the sidelines by December.

The real story here is Buffalo's failure to convince Adams to join them instead. They have absolutely no one in that WR room that's creating any separation.

They would have needed to restructure some of Adams' 2024 salary to do it, but nothing too extreme. If it worked out well between him and Allen in 2024, then they would have been in position to rework the last two years of Adams' deal and figure something out. And if it didn't work out, they could cut him loose with no dead money except what they restructured away from 2024.

Jets are definitely in the playoff hunt, and 9 wins might get them in.

Jets are currently 2-4 and hold the 9-10-11 spot or thereabouts in the AFC playoff race. Ahead of them are ...

5 wins: Chiefs, Texans

4 wins: Bills, Ravens, Steelers

3 wins: Chargers, Broncos, Colts

There's a decent chance that the Bengals (2 wins) might claw their way back into it. There's also a decent chance that the Chargers, Broncos and Colts are frauds. Maybe the Steelers, too, and maybe even the Bills. So why not the Jets?

Don't discount the fact that the Jets have the longest playoff drought in the league (13 seasons, ahead of the Broncos at 8). They are desperate to end this streak of suck.

Who'da thunk that the NFC North would be the power conference?

*Legion* wrote:

The real story here is Buffalo's failure to convince Adams to join them instead. They have absolutely no one in that WR room that's creating any separation.

Clearly Buffalo agreed with me, for they are now trading with the Browns for Amari Cooper.

*Legion* wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

The real story here is Buffalo's failure to convince Adams to join them instead. They have absolutely no one in that WR room that's creating any separation.

Clearly Buffalo agreed with me, for they are now trading with the Browns for Amari Cooper.

For a 2025 3rd and 2026 6th, and the Browns are also sending a 6th this year. I would call that quite a deal for Buffalo.

The great Cleveland fire sale begins?

I can definitely see them dealing Za'Darius Smith and a couple more pieces at fire sale prices. I don't think they will take it all the way to the studs and deal Myles Garrett though he really deserves better than Cleveland.

I can also see them finishing last in the league, drafting Shadeur Sanders and Sanders telling them "um no" and simply refusing to play.

Gotta send Garrett to a team like Washington, Detroit or Minnesota with cap space, right? They're the only possible landing place if Cleveland (correctly) realizes that they are staring down a 2-3 year rebuild while the Watson contract unwinds.

Minase wrote:

Gotta send Garrett to a team like Washington, Detroit or Minnesota with cap space, right? They're the only possible landing place if Cleveland (correctly) realizes that they are staring down a 2-3 year rebuild while the Watson contract unwinds.

They will Joe Thomas Myles Garrett. No way do they let him out of Cleveland alive.

Za'darius Smith, otoh, is definitely trade bait at this point. And maybe Grant Delpit.

I wonder how far away the Great New Orleans Fire Sale is considering their current situation. They aren't going anywhere and they really are looking at cap Armageddon in 2025.

Paleocon wrote:

I wonder how far away the Great New Orleans Fire Sale is considering their current situation. They aren't going anywhere and they really are looking at cap Armageddon in 2025.

They've been in constantly progressing Cap Hell for years, and it gets worse every year. Armageddon happens when Mickey Loomis is tired of being GM; if they blow the team up, the owners might actually realize all the damage he's done. The Saints will keep kicking the can down the road until he's gone.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

I wonder how far away the Great New Orleans Fire Sale is considering their current situation. They aren't going anywhere and they really are looking at cap Armageddon in 2025.

They've been in constantly progressing Cap Hell for years, and it gets worse every year. Armageddon happens when Mickey Loomis is tired of being GM; if they blow the team up, the owners might actually realize all the damage he's done. The Saints will keep kicking the can down the road until he's gone.

They are nearly $88M over the cap in 2025 and that is with a whole lot of void year magic already.

I wonder who will trade for Watson. Surely he will demand top dollar from someone

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I wonder who will trade for Watson. Surely he will demand top dollar from someone

One proposal I thought of myself is this one.

Las Vegas Raiders get:
Deshaun Watson (assume his $42M salary but not any of his signing bonus)
2025 2nd round pick
2026 2nd round pick
2025 6th round pick

Cleveland Browns get:
PDF of a certificate suitable for framing honoring the worst trade and contract in NFL history
An end to the Deshaun Watson in Cleveland era

Vegas can insist that this be an arm's length transaction and that Watson not be allowed within 100 feet of the Raiders facility. They could cut him within minutes of completing the trade and convert his entire salary to dead money. They have the cap space to do so comfortably and could definitely use the draft capital with which to build the team.

Watson has a no trade clause, but the prospect of getting all of his money at once without the prospect of having to pretend to play football might be attractive enough to him to play along. He would also be free to pursue anything else or nothing at all since he would have no further obligations. He would be free of any possible exposure to release with cause from further sexual assault allegations putting his revenue in jeopardy. He could simply disappear to private life at his volcanic evil lair.

That trade makes great sense because there's no local Raiders fanbase in Las Vegas to be mad at Watson.

*Legion* wrote:

That trade makes great sense because there's no local Raiders fanbase in Las Vegas to be mad at Watson.

Like I said though, it would all be about the draft picks and you could literally cut him the moment the ink is dry so there is zero association with the team.

Paleocon wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

That trade makes great sense because there's no local Raiders fanbase in Las Vegas to be mad at Watson.

Like I said though, it would all be about the draft picks and you could literally cut him the moment the ink is dry so there is zero association with the team.

Considering how abysmal Vegas's QB options are, they might as well play Watson and see if by some miracle he rebounds.