NFL 2024: The preseason thread

The prior thread hit 12 pages, which is about how many losses the Carolina Panthers will have in 2024. (Pro tip: Take the over; the team is all vibes and no talent.) Seems like the right time to end it.

Anyway, here's the NFL preseason schedule:

Training camps: Camps open in mid-to-late July. Ravens are the first to begin training camp, with rookies reporting July 13. All the other teams' training camps will open by July 24. Here are the locations and opening dates (rookies and vets) for each team. Training camps must end by Sept. 1.

Hall of Fame game: Texans vs Bears on Thurs Aug 1.

Hall of Fame ceremony: The class of 2024 (featuring Panthers legend Julius Peppers and Six Other Dudes) will be enshrined Aug. 3.

Preseason games: Week 1 is Aug 8-11, followed by two more weeks of barely watchable football.

Cutdown day: It's Aug 27, which is the Tuesday after the final preseason games. Rosters have to be at 53 players by 4 p.m. (I believe this is the only cutdown day this season, as the CBA keeps tinkering with preseason and I can barely keep up.) Practice squads are announced the following day.

Regular season: Opens Sept 5 with Ravens at Chiefs. There's also a Friday night game (in Sao Paulo, Brazil *and* on Peacock), plus the usual Sunday early / Sunday late / Sunday night / Monday night slate. Here's the Week 1 schedule. That's a lot of football and I am hear for most, if not all, of it.

PS: Speaking of lots, there will be three Hard Knocks series on HBO in 2024.

Hard Knocks Offseason featuring the Giants: July 2-30

Hard Knocks Training Camp (ie the Hard Knocks we grew up with): Will feature the Bears and run from Aug 6 to Sept 3.

Hard Knocks: In Season, featuring the entire AFC North starting Dec. 3 and running through the playoffs, apparently.

I'm just here so I don't get fined

Talk again in August

Looking forward to the mad scramble to 53.

Enix wrote:

The class of 2024 (featuring Panthers legend Julius Peppers and Six Other Dudes)

Just for that, I'm going to go watch Bryant Young knock on Pat Willis's door again and have a good cry.

Listen, Ronde made it last year, and there are no pending HOFers for my team until Bucs Legend Tom Brady goes in.

I don't know if anyone's heard this, but, so far, {INSERT ROOKIE NAME HERE} has really looked good and is likely to push {INSERT VETERAN NAME HERE}, and {INSERT TEAM NAME HERE} is really going to surprise everyone this year.

What if the NFL expanded to 100 teams? Barnwell picks ideal cities

Very silly and very dumb, but it's June and people are releasing mock drafts for 2025, so why not.

Prederick wrote:

What if the NFL expanded to 100 teams? Barnwell picks ideal cities

Very silly and very dumb, but it's June and people are releasing mock drafts for 2025, so why not.

Very dumb. M&T Bank Stadium, home of the Ravens, is a very average sized NFL venue at 71,000 seats.

Laramie, WY has a total population of 31,000 (smaller than the well-known city of North Olmstead, the 47th largest city in the state of Ohio). All of Laramie County is just over 100k.

Not dumb: FRESNO

Dumb: Bakersfield

Hey, I have an idea, lets add 70 NFL teams...

Where, lets look at a population map with no regard to whether or not the community could support a team, or two within a few miles of each other.

For example, I would love a team in C-bus, but there is not chance in hell it would survive because 1) everyone NFL fan is either a Steelers, Browns, or Bengals fan, and 2) they already have a much better funded professional football team there.

The point of that article was to mimic the English football system where local teams are tiered. So, not all 100 teams would play each other. It's fun to think about relegation and promotion!

Top_Shelf wrote:

It's fun to think about relegation and promotion!

Jaguars fans 2008-2021: "No it's not!"

All the SoCal teams will just call themselves "The Los Angeles Nicknames of City."

Edit:

Bill Barnwell wrote:

San Jose/San Francisco: This is a complicated one. The 49ers are obviously the toast of San Francisco and have been for decades, but they play their games in Santa Clara, 40 miles south of where Candlestick Park once stood. While that's not an impossible trek for dedicated 49ers fans, it's essentially occupying two valuable metros in one fell swoop, as Santa Clara is next to San Jose.

In this universe, we're forcing the 49ers to make a choice. If they want to stay in Santa Clara, that's fine! They're going to become the San Jose franchise, and a team with the 49ers logos and history will sprout up in San Francisco. If the 49ers are willing to move back and actually play in the San Francisco area, we'll build a new franchise for San Jose. I wonder where they could play.

If we're making the argument that San Francisco technically does not have a football team (which they don't), we can also make the argument that the cities of Dallas and Los Angeles don't have football teams.

Apparently the new trailer for the offseason Hard Knocks shows the Giants expecting to have to give up more for a Brian Burns trade than they actually did.

Now I'm looking forward to the show.

Oh, it gets better.

The Burns trade gave the Panthers a 2nd (No 39 overall) and a 5th (No 141 overall).

During the draft, the Panthers traded No 39 to the Rams for No 52 (also a 2nd) and No. 155 (a 5th) and a second-round pick in 2025.

The Panthers then traded No 52 and No 155 (and another 5th-round pick) to the Colts to move up to No 46 (2nd round).

Pick No 141 was part of a deal with the Bills. Carolina sent No 33 (its original-second round pick) and No 141 to the Bills for No 32 (2nd) and No 200 (6th).

The Panthers leveraged those two picks into three in this year's draft and used them to take a WR who had only one decent season in five years of college ball, a RB coming off of major surgery and a what-the-hell D-lineman because the Panthers' front is super-thin and they need bodies.

Folks who give a sh!t about draft value say the second-round 2025 pick from the Rams is Proof The Panthers Won That Trade. But that pick (a) doesn't help Carolina this year, and (b) likely means Carolina will be more likely to trade the pick (because they have two second-rounders) for a couple of pre-owned blocking sleds and a bag of damp K-balls.

TL,DR: Panthers ran a lot of pre-snap motion on draft night, yet still managed to snap the ball over the QB's head. Admittedly, that's an easy thing to do because Carolina has a snack-sized QB and no actual center on the roster.

JAX City Council approves giving $625mm to Shad to renovate their stadium. Best I can tell, the city's budget is around 1.5 to $1.7bb, which I assume is annual. Can't tell how the $625 is split across years and I'm not going to dig for it.

Shad is responsible for cost overruns and $625mm. Also 80% of GameDay costs and a 30yr lease that "locks" the team into the area (IANAL, but that can't be that tough to get out of).

I used to be very much in favor of public financing of public works like stadiums. New stadium for the M's or they leave? Better to pay.

Nowadays I'm against it. I'd like to see cities have more solidarity and tell the aristocrats to build their own temples.

I do think getting future draft capital is a good move for a team that is very clearly in the early stages of a multi-year rebuild.

Legette is… an enigma. He didn’t merely have only one *good* season, he really only had one season at all. His highest season yardage total before last year was 167 yards.

Worse, if not for the Antwane Wells Jr injury, he might not have even had the one big season last year. He was at best WR2 if not WR3 in the offense prior to that.

Also, look at his game logs, and note his stats were padded in games against North Carolina, Furman, Jacksonville State, and Vandy, while the numbers were a good bit lower against (real, non-Vandy) SEC peers.

Lots of physical tools, but the question marks are massive.

*Legion* wrote:

I do think getting future draft capital is a good move for a team that is very clearly in the early stages of a multi-year rebuild.

I don't have too much issue with the Panthers amassing future draft capital. Their problem is that they don't know what to do with the draft capital they have, especially at WR. Terrace Marshall (2nd round pick in 2021) is a bust, and Jonathan Mingo (2nd round pick in 2021) is heading in that direction. Maybe Legette will break the cycle, but I'm figuring he won't, mostly because I'm now assuming that every decision Carolina makes is the wrong one.

*Legion* wrote:

Apparently the new trailer for the offseason Hard Knocks shows the Giants expecting to have to give up more for a Brian Burns trade than they actually did.

Now I'm looking forward to the show.

Chances are it's usually the team on Hard Knocks that ends up looking like a clown show.

Rat Boy wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

Apparently the new trailer for the offseason Hard Knocks shows the Giants expecting to have to give up more for a Brian Burns trade than they actually did.

Now I'm looking forward to the show.

Chances are it's usually the team on Hard Knocks that ends up looking like a clown show.

Hoping that isn't the case this year.

Hoping for some hope for Washington this year.
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I really, really wish Tepper had bought the Saints or Falcons instead of the Panthers. I'd be enjoying this a lot more, and I genuinely feel bad for Panthers fans being saddled with the douchebaggiest of douchebags as an owner.

fangblackbone wrote:

Hoping for some hope for Washington this year.

Jayden Daniels is probably the rookie QB I'm most concerned about. His pressure-to-sack rate, one of those stats with a pretty good correlation to the NFL, was abysmal. Worse, he's got Lamar-like dual threat speed but without Lamar's instincts to avoid the big hits. And even Lamar has struggled to stay on the field with his play style. Daniels needs to make some massive, fundamental changes to his game to survive in the NFL.

Daniels refused to weigh-in at the Combine and only stepped on the scale at his Pro Day, where he just reached the 210 he was listed at at LSU. What that tells me is that he struggled to make that weight in reality, and the scale would not have said 210 if he stepped on it in February. 210 already isn't a great number stretched across a 6'3 1/2" frame (for comparison, that's lighter than Brock Purdy, who is only 6'0"), and having to push that hard to reach it in the offseason means his playing weight will likely be a good bit lower. He may legitimately end up weighing as little as Kyler Murray and Bryce Young do.

Man's got to learn how to avoid taking hits, and learn it immediately.

Daniels needs to make some massive, fundamental changes to his game to survive in the NFL.

Or get 5 Trent Williamses to surround him
(still mad that Washington did not keep him)

Also, at my most fit in college, I was 6'3" and 205 lbs. I may not have been NFL ready. But I wasn't exactly flimsy either. I was very athletic then but didn't lift weights. So with an NFL weight lifting regimen, I am sure I would have been 220-225 lbs.

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Dante Pettis is dead. Long live Dainty Penis.

Also not the first time this guy has done this:

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His autocorrect is snitching on him.

Somehow his autocorrect didn't do anything with Velus.

fangblackbone wrote:
Daniels needs to make some massive, fundamental changes to his game to survive in the NFL.

Or get 5 Trent Williamses to surround him
(still mad that Washington did not keep him)

I for one appreciate Washington letting him go.

Also, at my most fit in college, I was 6'3" and 205 lbs. I may not have been NFL ready. But I wasn't exactly flimsy either. I was very athletic then but didn't lift weights. So with an NFL weight lifting regimen, I am sure I would have been 220-225 lbs.

And just so we're clear, when I say "210 already isn't a great number stretched across a 6'3 1/2" frame", I mean within the context of a quarterback that has to survive against NFL defensive linemen. At positions like WR and DB, that size profile is completely normal. Marvin Harrison Jr measured 6'4" and weighed in at 209 pounds at the Combine.

iaintgotnopants wrote:

Dante Pettis is dead. Long live Dainty Penis.

I'm pretty sure the Pettis experience traumatized Kyle Shanahan, because the Niners have basically prioritized drafting the toughest WRs they can find ever since.

iaintgotnopants wrote:

Somehow his autocorrect didn't do anything with Velus.

Real missed chance to discuss the battle between Dainty Penis and Vulva Jones.

Rat Boy wrote:
Bill Barnwell wrote:

San Jose/San Francisco: This is a complicated one. The 49ers are obviously the toast of San Francisco and have been for decades, but they play their games in Santa Clara, 40 miles south of where Candlestick Park once stood. While that's not an impossible trek for dedicated 49ers fans, it's essentially occupying two valuable metros in one fell swoop, as Santa Clara is next to San Jose.

In this universe, we're forcing the 49ers to make a choice. If they want to stay in Santa Clara, that's fine! They're going to become the San Jose franchise, and a team with the 49ers logos and history will sprout up in San Francisco. If the 49ers are willing to move back and actually play in the San Francisco area, we'll build a new franchise for San Jose. I wonder where they could play.

If we're making the argument that San Francisco technically does not have a football team (which they don't), we can also make the argument that the cities of Dallas and Los Angeles don't have football teams.

There's a big difference.. no one in San Francisco thinks Santa Clara is San Francisco.. you're either in the 7x7 or you're not San Francisco.

In LA, basically if you're in the county your LA. Does anyone think West Hollywood or Santa Monica or Venice is NOT Los Angeles?

NFL loses Sunday Ticket trial, owes $4 billion.

It will be appealed repeatedly, but, at the moment, the NFL lost big.