For stuff about the 2024 election
The post WW2 20th century arguably achieved the greatest advances for the most humans ever in our species' history. It's small wonder people look back at the 20th century and consider the last 24 years are lacklustre.
Because most of those gains have been only going to the rich since Reagan. We "freed women to work," but now every family needs three jobs to make ends meet.
The 20th century was the "f*ck around" century. The 21st century is shaping up to be the "find out" century.
This was posted to /r/self. Which has been getting bombarded with posts like this. The odds that any of these posts are real seem very low.
I’m also really suspicious of any online post that starts with “I’m a person that color and here is what all of us think”.
I found this on reddit earlier and found it fascinating and deeply informative.
I am a black man from NC. I did not vote and most of the black men I know did not vote. Here is why:…
It popped up at random on my feed. That is the trouble with reddit there is no way to verify any of it. The thing that stuck out to me was his first point which is something I've heard my brother in law express in the past, although admittedly who the president is doesn't really have a direct impact on most of our lives.
Well, uh, obviously that guy didn't see Kamala's ground-breaking plan for Black men to be able to own crypto investments and sell weed!
Stengah wrote:The RCV effort is something that gets done at a state level though, and will clearly need to be like the gay marriage effort was, and take several election cycles to build up enough support until it passes.
That makes sense. Then the challenge becomes how to capture the imagination of voters to pass the legislation.
Here's an idea. Show up and make measurable change in the lives of working class people. Keep campaign promises. Stop making excuses as to why you can't do stuff (as in do it regardless of rules and norms and niceties.) If you don't believe everything I posted so far look at how the Democrats treated Stacy Abrams after she basically carried Georgia for the Democrats! Look at how the democrats refused to defend any of the people who spoke up against Israel. They all lost their seats.
Instead of talking to how the Republicans wouldn't "let them" do anything about the economy (which is *everything* to the working class) they tried to gaslight and talk about how the economy was doing great.
The Democrats using BOL statistics and stock market indicators and employment levels (hint: It's not full employment if you can't make a living)
Instead Dem's pivoted to identity politics, which are important but they don't put food on a table or a roof over your head.
Of course 15 million people didn't show up.
Drazzil wrote:Democrats would rather lose and fingerpoint then do the systemic change we need... They're comfortable.
But isn't that what all the fingerpointing at Democrats is doing? You are just pointing the finger at a different source.
I guess I would just say that there is a distinct difference between largely powerless citizens pointing fingers at the Democrats, and the rich and powerful politicians and strategists who were hired to (and egregiously failed to) beat Donald Trump pointing fingers at each other, while fundraising off of the results of their own incompetence.
Well, uh, obviously that guy didn't see Kamala's ground-breaking plan for Black men to be able to own crypto investments and sell weed!
Because weed and crypto is a good substitute for a gainful career.
Oh and selling weed only pays good if you are willing to break the law or are ready to fork over bank for the proper paperwork.
Oh and selling weed only pays good if you are willing to break the law or are ready to fork over bank for the proper paperwork.
Yeah, obviously it's ridiculous and reads like satire. One of the standout examples of the tone-deafness of the final push of the Harris campaign.
I guess I am one of the tone deaf.
It offers actionable things to help those communities. Are they the wrong things?
The other side doesn't offer any actions to help but somehow that is better?
It's classic Dem neoliberal bullsh*t - if it isn't nebulous hand-wavy feel-good nonsense, it's weird oblique means-tested policies that are also often giveaways to industries they are trying to court (ie Kamala ostentatiously kissing up to the crypto industry).
Instead Dem's pivoted to identity politics,
They demonstrably did not do this, unless you count 'Republicans said they did' as an actual Democratic policy.
Instead Dem's pivoted to identity politics,They demonstrably did not do this, unless you count 'Republicans said they did' as an actual Democratic policy.
YES! This, 100%! I feel like I am losing my f*cking mind with this stuff!
I guess I am one of the tone deaf.
It offers actionable things to help those communities. Are they the wrong things?
The other side doesn't offer any actions to help but somehow that is better?
The other sides making things worse. But if the people you trust and vote for won't help you bail out the ship at some point you STOP. Because you can't do it alone.
And you're not tone deaf Farley. I don't think anyone here's tone deaf. Just not listening to the right tone.
Freyja wrote:Instead Dem's pivoted to identity politics,They demonstrably did not do this, unless you count 'Republicans said they did' as an actual Democratic policy.
YES! This, 100%! I feel like I am losing my f*cking mind with this stuff!
Yeah the Dem's focused a lot of identity politics instead of talking about the things that citizens United won't let them talk about. IMHO that other stuff (while by itself extremely important) is just another wedge.
Nothing matters more then a roof over your head and food to eat and safety. It's maslows hierarchy of needs.
I am wondering if it wasn't tea party which snapped the republican party out of the same mindset (and eventually morphed into MAGA) . So perhaps Dems really do need to be dragged by the Bernie Sanders wing to the left.
I am wondering if it wasn't tea party which snapped the republican party out of the same mindset (and eventually morphed into MAGA) . So perhaps Dems really do need to be dragged by the Bernie Sanders wing to the left.
I suggested once upon a time that we needed a tea party of our own and I was laughed at.
"Then both parties will be insane" was the answer I got.
Hell you were there Farley.
Drazzil, you are not making a lot of sense today.
Podunk wrote:Freyja wrote:Instead Dem's pivoted to identity politics,They demonstrably did not do this, unless you count 'Republicans said they did' as an actual Democratic policy.
YES! This, 100%! I feel like I am losing my f*cking mind with this stuff!
Yeah the Dem's focused a lot of identity politics instead of talking about the things that citizens United won't let them talk about.
Democrats did not focus on identity politics. The posts you quoted do not agree with you on that. And how does the Citizens United decision not "let them" talk about things?
Your posts here are starting to look very Gish Gallop-y.
Oh yes and here's another theory: Our news outlets have completely failed us so that now people without easy access to reliable news rely more on emotion and gut feeling then facts and reason.
That's a larger portion of people as more and more people fall down rungs of society.
How is this even remotely possible? I couldn't watch 10 minutes of football the past few months without being bombarded with political ads, and I don't even live in the US!
Did Americans even know who was running for election?
If you look at "Google Trends", you can confirm for yourself that the frequency of the Google search query "Did Joe Biden drop out?" rose sharply on US election day . This suggests that many people only found out when they looked at the ballot that Biden had not actually run.The spike began around 6 a.m. on election day and continued to rise throughout the day. After a brief dip overnight, searches on this question rose again around 8 a.m. and peaked the day after the election.
The spike in queries is somewhere between 50-100x normal levels of the preceding days.
Of course 15 million people didn't show up.
The number is far fewer than 15 million. Votes are still being counted and there are millions left. Harris surpassed Clinton by 6 million and counting, but will probably be a few million short of Biden. Trump will get the most votes he has ever gotten, however.
Dems messaging problem is that they can't put out a thing like this without Republicans calling it "identity politics". Social media has nationalized every targeted message so it's too easy to pull them out of context and say, "see Harris hates white people."
Trump gets away with his messaging for a number of reasons, of which one is he does the inverse: says some ridiculous dog whistle racist thing that his white supporters like, and when he gets called on it he /his campaign claims it'll be good for all people including Blacks and Latinos.
Progressive Dems won downticket, Harris deliberately avoided questions about identity politics in every interview, never mentioned her gender or race, interviews with her campaign staff confirm this. 'Avoid identity' was the strategy.
"Voters rejected idpol" is not borne out by any observable reality. So yes, I do think many people have been thoroughly propagandized by right wing messaging and the lack of any meaningful pushback from mainstream media.
I do agree that Dems should have leaned into economic populism and socialist policies. I will also add that socialism without a strong commitment to civil and human rights and protecting the minority from the majority has uh, not worked out great.
Drazzil, you are not making a lot of sense today.
Drazzil wrote:Podunk wrote:Freyja wrote:Instead Dem's pivoted to identity politics,They demonstrably did not do this, unless you count 'Republicans said they did' as an actual Democratic policy.
YES! This, 100%! I feel like I am losing my f*cking mind with this stuff!
Yeah the Dem's focused a lot of identity politics instead of talking about the things that citizens United won't let them talk about.
Democrats did not focus on identity politics. The posts you quoted do not agree with you on that. And how does the Citizens United decision not "let them" talk about things?
Your posts here are starting to look very Gish Gallop-y.
My theory is that the Democrats focused and championed identity politics as a way to drive people to the polls (not that LGBTQIA issues aren't important) but the Republicans made this issue a culture war thing so that our side felt like they could focus mostly on that instead of the yawning wealth gap, the economy, inflation and the fact that under Biden the working class took a massive pay cut.
Dems running on BLS statistics and the stock market and other indicators that have nothing to do with how the working class *percieved* the economy just pissed off a bunch of poor people who are worse off due to inflation and you have a recipe for 15m people not showing up.
Progressive Dems won downticket, Harris deliberately avoided questions about identity politics in every interview, never mentioned her gender or race, interviews with her campaign staff confirm this. 'Avoid identity' was the strategy.
"Voters rejected idpol" is not borne out by any observable reality. So yes, I do think many people have been thoroughly propagandized by right wing messaging and the lack of any meaningful pushback from mainstream media.
I do agree that Dems should have leaned into economic populism and socialist policies. I will also add that socialism without a strong commitment to civil and human rights and protecting the minority from the majority has uh, not worked out great.
I didn't know that please say more?
Sure, although I'm guessing about what in particular you want me to say more about.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/0...
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/polit...
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/30/nx-s1...
Tammy Baldwin is an openly gay Senator in Wisconsin, a state Trump won. Her opponent came after her with anti-gay and anti-trans ads, she stood up to him directly and won. Harris dodged the issue, and lost. This does not square with 'identity politics cost Dems'.
Leaning into and promising socialist policies will only bring people out to the polls if people think you will follow through. Obama campaigned VERY different from how he governed. I think Trump was a reaction to that.
Biden promised a bunch of stuff on the campaign too. This fell by the wayside. Promises became excuses and too many people the Dem's depended on to carry Harris were disappointed enough not to show up.
Biden and the Democrats got a gift in 2020. They BARELY got by on a working class coalition led by civil rights leaders in the swing states, Stacy Abrams led the charge
They should have taken a hint, read the room and done as much as they could and gone to war for those who put Biden there.
Instead they behaved like they always do. Excuses, broken promises and gaslighting.
*shrug* Just my perception.
Sure, although I'm guessing about what in particular you want me to say more about.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/0...
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/polit...
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/30/nx-s1...
Tammy Baldwin is an openly gay Senator in Wisconsin, a state Trump won. Her opponent came after her with anti-gay and anti-trans ads, she stood up to him directly and won. Harris dodged the issue, and lost. This does not square with 'identity politics cost Dems'.
Identity politics and how Dems avoided them this election cycle.
Okay, that's exactly what I posted. I don't know what else you want.
How is this even remotely possible? I couldn't watch 10 minutes of football the past few months without being bombarded with political ads, and I don't even live in the US!
Did Americans even know who was running for election?
If you look at "Google Trends", you can confirm for yourself that the frequency of the Google search query "Did Joe Biden drop out?" rose sharply on US election day . This suggests that many people only found out when they looked at the ballot that Biden had not actually run.The spike began around 6 a.m. on election day and continued to rise throughout the day. After a brief dip overnight, searches on this question rose again around 8 a.m. and peaked the day after the election.
The spike in queries is somewhere between 50-100x normal levels of the preceding days.
Omg wut?!
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