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Genuinely, this is a testament to how terrible a politician Trump is that I'm looking at Vance and thinking "that's probably not worse".
Vance would probably be worse as president. He's been installed by Peter Thiel who is an acolyte of Curtis Yarvin who wants to see the end of democracy. Trump at least isn't a true believer.
Vance would probably be worse as president. He's been installed by Peter Thiel who is an acolyte of Curtis Yarvin who wants to see the end of democracy. Trump at least isn't a true believer.
Sure, and I accept that, but still ask myself "which one is more likely to start World War 3 for no other reason than to stoke their ego?", and that's an easy answer to get to.
Trump mugging and winking at today's 9/11 memorial:
https://x.com/DGComedy/status/183387...
Even after everything that's happened in the past 24 hours, this still strikes me as genuinely grotesque.
MrDeVil909 wrote:Vance would probably be worse as president. He's been installed by Peter Thiel who is an acolyte of Curtis Yarvin who wants to see the end of democracy. Trump at least isn't a true believer.
Sure, and I accept that, but still ask myself "which one is more likely to start World War 3 for no other reason than to stoke their ego?", and that's an easy answer to get to.
Yeah fair. On one hand you're got WW3. On the other the institution of a new American monarchy made up of techbro dipshits like Thiel and Musk.
I guess as a non-American I'd prefer Vance.
Number 2 for me was his refusal to acknowledge Ukraine. He will end the war by giving Putin whatever he wants. So Trump isn't wrong in saying he will end it but Americans on the margins will hopefully realize this.
I love how Harris connected those dots and made it clear that a Putin victory in Ukraine would put Poland in the crosshairs next. I just hope the 780k Polish Americans in Pennsylvania were listening and give a shit.
Maybe I watch too much TV, but what are the odds that a Republican political operative or random MAGA nut kidnaps and possibly mutilates some poor dog(s) in Ohio as a frame job and “leaks” it to Fox News so their Dear Leader doesn’t look crazy?
Maybe I watch too much TV, but what are the odds that a Republican political operative or random MAGA nut kidnaps and possibly mutilates some poor dog(s) in Ohio as a frame job and “leaks” it to Fox News so their Dear Leader doesn’t look crazy?
Considering all the shit they did during the Black Lives Matter protests? 100%
gewy wrote:Maybe I watch too much TV, but what are the odds that a Republican political operative or random MAGA nut kidnaps and possibly mutilates some poor dog(s) in Ohio as a frame job and “leaks” it to Fox News so their Dear Leader doesn’t look crazy?
Considering all the shit they did during the Black Lives Matter protests? 100%
To much work when all you have to do is say that it happened without any proof.
Yeah, but imagine how much more play Fox could get out of repeatedly interviewing distressed pet owners and showing “warning: graphic images” of a dead dog or two.
No, please, keep singing about the eating of cats, the eating of dogs, that they're eating the pets in Springfield. I'm begging them to keep doing it.
The Trump converts said they trusted him more on the economy, even though all said they did not like him as a person. They said their personal financial situation had been better when he was president between 2017-2021. Some singled out his proposal to tax foreign imports, although economists say that is likely to raise prices.
I must have been watching a different debate...
Do not taunt the furries.
Never thought I'd see the day when I had to correct your spelling, Paleo.
[b]The Trump converts said they trusted him more on the economy, even though all said they did not like him as a person.
I am constantly floored by this because it shows the horrible messaging of Democrats. For almost my whole life - 50+ years - the economy has done better under Democrats. And certainly the deficit has always been better under Dems but somehow they don't seem to be able to translate that objective truth to a belief with the public that Dems are good with the economy.
You know, outside of MAGA business people and people obsessed with money are constantly doing the heavy lifting for him too.
There doesn't need to be more than a few words tossed into Trumps word salad that will send them off to the races with fictional prospects and possibilities.
My boss who sits behind me was talking to someone on the phone about this. It wasn't this example exactly but you'd better believe this example could become an reality:
"-Hey, did you hear Trump say capital gains?
-I didn't hear it but the is supposed to mention it in the debate
-Yah I know. Can you imagine if he cuts it by a quarter percent?
-Oh I know. We could do this this and this and that would lead to this other thing"
Trump didn't have to do or say anything and these guys are far from the type decked in flag attire top to bottom and have the "I'm voting for the felon" bumper stickers.
But Trump gets their vote for a few hundred or thousand dollar in made up savings.
I just don't get what is wrong with people.
JC wrote:[b]The Trump converts said they trusted him more on the economy, even though all said they did not like him as a person.
I am constantly floored by this because it shows the horrible messaging of Democrats. For almost my whole life - 50+ years - the economy has done better under Democrats. And certainly the deficit has always been better under Dems but somehow they don't seem to be able to translate that objective truth to a belief with the public that Dems are good with the economy.
That goes back to the problem of "the economy" not meaning jack shit to most people's daily lives. Also "doing better" with the economy just means slowing down the rate at which things are getting worse for them, not actually reversing it.
I can buy why some people think they were better off under Trump. If your life has been one long slow decline, then the last 4 years were still worse than the 4 previous years even if the previous interval had a worse rate of decline. And those covid stimulus payments and relaxed unemployment rules right at the end of Trump's term really made an impact if you were just scraping by before them. Once they stopped you went back to just scraping by again. Of course, the problem is that they don't realize that the reason they stopped when Biden took over was because Republicans didn't want them to help Biden.
Trump Media stock price:
Huh, I wonder what happened after hours on the 10th that led to such a sharp drop as soon as trading resumed the next morning...
Trump Media has lost about 75% from its peak valuation in March.
JC wrote:[b]The Trump converts said they trusted him more on the economy, even though all said they did not like him as a person.
I am constantly floored by this because it shows the horrible messaging of Democrats. For almost my whole life - 50+ years - the economy has done better under Democrats. And certainly the deficit has always been better under Dems but somehow they don't seem to be able to translate that objective truth to a belief with the public that Dems are good with the economy.
If it was not this thing, then those same people would say trusted him about something different, it doesn't matter what Dems say.
Also, do not underestimate the power that immigration has in this election. The Migrant Crisis thread is full of examples of how, all across the world, it's really, really, really easy to gin up nationalist sentiment against generally desperate immigrants and refugees. CNN had some undecided on last night who didn't like Trump as a person, thought Harris was better on almost every other issue, but preferred Trump because she agreed with mass deportation and shutting down the border.
And the economic stuff makes sense, in that ultimately, most people's politics are fundamentally self-interested, and "how much money is in my checking account right now?" is basically at the core of that. Rightly or wrongly, the American electorate, across pretty much all parties and demographics, thinks the economy is crap right now, and the incumbent always gets the blame for that.
EDIT: Okay, that's not true. Democrats think it's getting better. Majorities of Independents and Republicans say it's getting worse.
Which makes it that much more hilarious that Trump totally whiffed on hitting Harris on the economy, or forcing her to meaningfully define herself apart from Biden.
Also, people have literally just memory-holed the pandemic and give Trump a pass on it, to the point where I remember seeing a poll where more people blamed Biden for his handling of the pandemic than Donny.
All of this is to say, undecided voters have the weirdest, most nonsensical brains you'll ever encounter. Trying to understand them is like trying to read the mind of an Eldritch Horror, you'll end up a gibbering mess on the floor.
Yes, yes he is.
I'm shocked that no one here caught the best part of the debate. When Harris callled Trump "That f....ormer president."
The words don't do that justice.
She gave him a look over top to bottom with unsaid words.
JC wrote:[b]The Trump converts said they trusted him more on the economy, even though all said they did not like him as a person.
I am constantly floored by this because it shows the horrible messaging of Democrats. For almost my whole life - 50+ years - the economy has done better under Democrats. And certainly the deficit has always been better under Dems but somehow they don't seem to be able to translate that objective truth to a belief with the public that Dems are good with the economy.
Clinton's point last month about job creation being 50 million to 1 million in Dem vs GOP administrations the last 30 years made waves for a couple days. But now it seems to have faded and people just generally accept the GOP is good with money, even though they are not. They run up the deficit, give tax cuts to the 1% and screw the rest of us. Somehow people keep voting against their own interests.
Somehow people keep voting against their own interests.
I think this is a chronic misunderstanding what their interests are.
"f*ck the libs" - check.
"Screw brown people" - check.
"Make me think I live in the best country on the world, despite all evidence to the contrary" - check.
"Lie to me, daddy" - check.
Tim Miller from The Bulwark was living his best life in the spin room after the debate (13 mins in.)
I was just rewatching the debate and noticed something I missed last night- at one point the moderator was talking about Donny’s mass-deportation plan and asked him how he planned to do something so extensive, if he was just going to “have cops go door-to-door.”
Without hesitation Donny replied “yup.”
Well I never thought I would see this one...
Not the racism piece... That's kinda baked into the RNC. I guess it's a competition for who can be more racist?
If @KamalaHarris
wins, the White House will smell like curry & White House speeches will be facilitated via a call center and the American people will only be able to convey their feedback through a customer satisfaction survey at the end of the call that nobody will understand.
This is appalling and extremely racist. It does not represent who we are as Republicans or MAGA.
This does not represent President Trump.
This type of behavior should not be tolerated ever.
@LauraLoomer
should take this down.
Well I never thought I would see this one...
Not the racism piece... That's kinda baked into the RNC. I guess it's a competition for who can be more racist?
Laura Loomer wrote:If @KamalaHarris
wins, the White House will smell like curry & White House speeches will be facilitated via a call center and the American people will only be able to convey their feedback through a customer satisfaction survey at the end of the call that nobody will understand.Marjorie Taylor Greene wrote:This is appalling and extremely racist. It does not represent who we are as Republicans or MAGA.
This does not represent President Trump.
This type of behavior should not be tolerated ever.
@LauraLoomer
should take this down.
Were they the inspirations for storefront and firecracker? They sure look the parts.
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