[Discussion] 2024 Election catch-all

For stuff about the 2024 election

fangblackbone wrote:

As much as I support Palestinians right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the fact that this person does not understand that Palestine will be wiped from the history books under Trump is astonishing.

Palestine is currently being wiped from the history books under Biden.

I also get the argument of being furious at the loss of family.

And 80 is a lot. If I lost 80 of my family, it would be my whole family 2-3x over.
Asking someone who has gone through that to see reason is too much to ask.
My comment is geared towards those listening to words of extreme grief and starting to internalize "both sides!"

Palestine is currently being wiped from the history books under Biden.

Palenstine has been being wiped from the history books since Sharon was assassinated. There is a difference between being wiped and done deal gone. (Trump is actively saying this now)

I support Israel. I support Jews. I do not support Netanyahu. I do not support this/his "war".

fangblackbone wrote:
I also get the argument of being furious at the loss of family.

And 80 is a lot. If I lost 80 of my family, it would be my whole family 2-3x over.
Asking someone who has gone through that to see reason is too much to ask.

This is why I think those who are coming down so harsh on the interviewee are demonstrating a failure of empathy. I'm sure that person understands that in terms of domestic US concerns, things will be worse under Trump than under Biden. But when you have lost so much that you really don't have much left to lose (come on, 80 f*cking family members is an unbelievable and unspeakable tragedy that you don't bounce back from it without a lot of healing), it's honestly not a simple ask to essentially say "yeah, but think of what everyone else could lose, don't be so selfish".

fangblackbone wrote:

There is a difference between being wiped and done deal gone. (Trump is actively saying this now)

Yeah, I’m aware Trump is saying it, but Biden is doing it.

There is a big difference between not reacting strong enough, and now finally way late calling for a cease fire and enacting more avenues of aid to gaza with "Bibi, go even more gloves off". This is especially so with decades of prior administrations blind eyeing Gaza.

And that is where I will leave it and move on.

fangblackbone wrote:

This is especially so with decades of prior administrations blind eyeing Gaza.

Oddly enough, previous administrations have actually been able to halt Israeli offensives. Reagan famously ended one with a half-hour long phone call by threatening to end the flow of weapons and money that Israel relies upon. Even Biden himself convinced Netanyahu to end an offensive back in 2021 using the same tactic. Super weird he’s suddenly powerless to do anything except shovel weapons and money to aid in the scattering of child chunks. I guess he did use a little bit of his power to go around Congress in order to deliver more weapons, so not completely powerless I guess.
If Biden gave a sh*t about what’s happening in Gaza he would have ended the flow of weapons long before the child death toll hit 5 digits.
I can’t fault anyone uncomfortable supporting him and it frankly concerns me that there are people who do.

Not really any new thoughts but I liked the title.

GOP Stunned To Discover It’s Not Running Against A Cadaver In 2024

Careful About Believing Your Own Rhetoric
Republicans who have turned Joseph R. Biden into a caricature of falling-down dementia and drooling incontinence have set the bar so low that anything above a flatline EKG from the president knocks them back on their heels.

They were left spluttering that Biden’s State of the Union was too loud and too campaign-y. They couldn’t maintain a basic level of decorum in the chamber, giving Biden the chance to knock them around with ad libs and direct call outs, directly facing the GOP side of the chamber. He turned the call and response of the Black church into whack-a-MTG.

The weird media expectations-setting and gamesmanship of American politics set the stage for this kind of performance, a Monty Python-esque “I’m not dead yet.” But Biden still had to pull it off, and he did, in rousing fashion.

The stakes of this election are so high and the historic moment so great that Biden has to show a willingness to fight by actually fighting. Otherwise, the content of the message falls flat. If it really is this important, you have to act like it, not just say it. He did that, too.

DeepFake BAIden was pretty good.

farley3k wrote:

Not really any new thoughts but I liked the title.

GOP Stunned To Discover It’s Not Running Against A Cadaver In 2024

Careful About Believing Your Own Rhetoric
Republicans who have turned Joseph R. Biden into a caricature of falling-down dementia and drooling incontinence have set the bar so low that anything above a flatline EKG from the president knocks them back on their heels.

They were left spluttering that Biden’s State of the Union was too loud and too campaign-y. They couldn’t maintain a basic level of decorum in the chamber, giving Biden the chance to knock them around with ad libs and direct call outs, directly facing the GOP side of the chamber. He turned the call and response of the Black church into whack-a-MTG.

The weird media expectations-setting and gamesmanship of American politics set the stage for this kind of performance, a Monty Python-esque “I’m not dead yet.” But Biden still had to pull it off, and he did, in rousing fashion.

The stakes of this election are so high and the historic moment so great that Biden has to show a willingness to fight by actually fighting. Otherwise, the content of the message falls flat. If it really is this important, you have to act like it, not just say it. He did that, too.

Pfft we all know Biden is just being pumped with uppers for key speeches. At least that’s what my conservative fam is saying.

As long as they can make him perform this well, it seems he is fit for the presidency.
The drugs Trump is on doesn't appear to make things better.

Trump suggests he’s open to cuts to Medicare and Social Security after attacking primary rivals over the issue

I know, I know they are republicans so I shouldn't be surprised but

1. why would it be remotely better to cut benefits which millions rely on instead of raising taxes on the much smaller number of ultra wealthy?
2. how can any older American vote for this party? They are cutting their own throat and gloating about how great they are. It is just beyond understanding.

farley3k wrote:

1. why would it be remotely better to cut benefits which millions rely on instead of raising taxes on the much smaller number of ultra wealthy?
2. how can any older American vote for this party? They are cutting their own throat and gloating about how great they are. It is just beyond understanding.

#2 has actually come up in a discussion/argument with one of my uncles, who kindly explained that cutting benefits like Medicare and Social Security will force the government to stop handing money out willy nilly to immigrants/etc, and only give the money to hard-working Americans who earned it.

ruhk wrote:

#2 has actually come up in a discussion/argument with one of my uncles, who kindly explained that cutting benefits like Medicare and Social Security will force the government to stop handing money out willy nilly to immigrants/etc, and only give the money to hard-working Americans who earned it.

I feel like making factual, logical arguments to that type of reasoning would be pointless.

Surely, cutting social services will not affect me, but will only hurt people I do not think deserve as many rights and protections as me.

farley3k wrote:

how can any older American vote for this party? They are cutting their own throat and gloating about how great they are. It is just beyond understanding.

You have to understand that the vast, vast majority of the populace thinks that 50% of our taxes go to helping lazy people (and mostly brown-skinned, but that part is usually said quietly) live off of our generosity. So when a politician says they will cut welfare, it doesn't mean Medicare or Medicaid, it means fewer 'ghetto queens' getting our money. I think it would take Fox and their fellow faux-news channels a very long time of showing a rough pie-chart of how government money is spent before it started to sink in.

Atras wrote:
farley3k wrote:

how can any older American vote for this party? They are cutting their own throat and gloating about how great they are. It is just beyond understanding.

You have to understand that the vast, vast majority of the populace thinks that 50% of our taxes go to helping lazy people (and mostly brown-skinned, but that part is usually said quietly) live off of our generosity. So when a politician says they will cut welfare, it doesn't mean Medicare or Medicaid, it means fewer 'ghetto queens' getting our money. I think it would take Fox and their fellow faux-news channels a very long time of showing a rough pie-chart of how government money is spent before it started to sink in.

Yup. The toughest pill for suburban white folks to swallow is how much the system subsidizes their lifestyles.

Let Trump Be Dictator for a Day, 74 Percent of Republicans Say

A startling 39 percent of Americans, including 74 percent of Republicans, think it’s a decent idea for Donald Trump to act as a dictator for a day to begin his prospective second term, according to a University of Massachusetts Amherst survey released Wednesday.

Even for Rolling Stone, that’s really stretching the definition of the word “startling.”

The only person at this point who should be surprised by that percent to the point of being "startled" is Mr. Magoo.

I mean, if it HAD to happen, I'd kinda be ok with it if it were in the vein of a dictator's final day as the popular revolution topples him while he's powerless to do anything about it.

Fiddling a la Nero...

farley3k wrote:

Let Trump Be Dictator for a Day, 74 Percent of Republicans Say

A startling 39 percent of Americans, including 74 percent of Republicans, think it’s a decent idea for Donald Trump to act as a dictator for a day to begin his prospective second term, according to a University of Massachusetts Amherst survey released Wednesday.

Just more evidence that the Republicans are not a political party anymore. They're a fascist death cult who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near levers of power.

RFK Jr. eyeing Rodgers, Ventura as top '24 running mate contenders

He's going to wreck Trump's chances, that's for sure!

Imagine being a Jets fan and realizing your quarterback rather take up a losing effort in a presidential election than play for your team.

Chairman_Mao wrote:

RFK Jr. eyeing Rodgers, Ventura as top '24 running mate contenders

He's going to wreck Trump's chances, that's for sure!

Stupid announcement to generate attention worked for RFK Jr.

whew, it’s a good thing that no one is actively trying to pass a bipartisan bill at the moment which will primarily negatively impact this exact voting demographic. It would be horrible if November rolled around and they had a tangible reminder of the time both political parties worked together to make their lives just slightly worse.

And thus the Swifty Party will be born, and we'll finally have a wedge in the two-party gridlock!

Chairman_Mao wrote:

RFK Jr. eyeing Rodgers, Ventura as top '24 running mate contenders

He's going to wreck Trump's chances, that's for sure!

Reupping this from the Sports Forum here on GWJ: Aaron Rodgers is also a Sandy Hook truther. This is the same Aaron Rodgers who won a Celebrity Jeopardy tournament one year and so impressed Alex Trebek that after Trebek's passing Rodgers was invited to guest host Jeopardy. The same block of guest hosts that included eventual Republican senatorial candidate Mehmet Oz, a close personal friend of Alex Trebek.

My point, good god, was Alex Trebek actually a right wing fascist in his private life?