NFL 2023: The Week 11 thread

As a man several inches shorter than Bryce Young, can we lay off the Tiny Bryce thing please?

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

As a man several inches shorter than Bryce Young, can we lay off the Tiny Bryce thing please?

No problem, teeny UpToIsomorphism.

*Legion* wrote:

Where are the passing concepts Bryce was familiar with from Alabama? Where's mesh, where's lion, where's Y cross, where's glance? I get that there might be trepidation about running RPOs and exposing Bryce's twig-like skeleton to big boy hits, but drafting a QB that you liked for his creativity and then having your WRs run 7 yards and stand still seems incredibly self-defeating.

Riverboat Ron doesn't get a lot of credit for a lot, but he brought Rod Chudzinski with him from San Diego to be his first OC in Carolina, and the two of them were smart enough to know that the things Cam did well at Auburn might be things he could do well in the NFL.

So what does Cam do in his first year in the league? Throw for 4K+ yards and 21 TDs (and run for 14 more), make the Pro Bowl and be named Offensive Rookie of the Year. The team wasn't great (6-10), and Cam was far from perfect (17 INTs and 60% completions), but Chud drew up a blueprint for future non-traditional QBs.

TL,DR: Frank Reich isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is.

Giants' Saquon Barkley on being loyal: 'Don't mean nothing'

I hate that he had to learn it this way, but yeah dude, in pro sports, and especially as a running back in the NFL... there's no loyalty. At least not from teams.

@JoeBuscaglia wrote:

Bills HC Sean McDermott said with the new leadership at OC, he wants the offense to establish a sub-culture as part of the team's overall culture to help foster confidence and energy and focus on doing things they need to do that leads to winning.

I agree with @edsbs, you've gotta fire him just for this.

How the f*ck was that holding?

That was an awful holding call against OBJ.

Burrow looks like he might have gotten Purdy’d.

And Baltimore’s stadium clearly is lacking in their air defenses.

Prederick wrote:
@JoeBuscaglia wrote:

Bills HC Sean McDermott said with the new leadership at OC, he wants the offense to establish a sub-culture as part of the team's overall culture to help foster confidence and energy and focus on doing things they need to do that leads to winning.

I agree with @edsbs, you've gotta fire him just for this.

Juju Gotti was saying fire him if they lose the night before the game.

Speaking of Le Batard and Friends, oh no, Cincy. Good god, no.

They say it’s Burrow’s wrist, which is less dire than what I thought when it looked like he couldn’t raise his arm all the way up.

I enjoy these Brian Dawkins Hyundai ads way more than I should.

Also: am officially an Old.

Why is Lamar still in?

Paleocon wrote:

Why is Lamar still in?

Because the Mark Andrews injury and Lamar injury scare were not enough.

Ravens gotta live on the edge.

Kirk Herbstreit desperately trying to make this game interesting by talking about how Jake Browning is impressive because he's "still fighting" while down 3 TDs under two minutes because he's playing well against the preventiest of prevent defenses.

Listening to Herbstreit makes me understand why Amazon was trying to throw gobs of money at John Lynch to come back to the booth.

Mark Andrews “likely” out for the season with a “serious” ankle injury. Absolutely devastating for Baltimore.

Enix wrote:

Riverboat Ron doesn't get a lot of credit for a lot, but he brought Rod Chudzinski with him from San Diego to be his first OC in Carolina, and the two of them were smart enough to know that the things Cam did well at Auburn might be things he could do well in the NFL.

So what does Cam do in his first year in the league? Throw for 4K+ yards and 21 TDs (and run for 14 more), make the Pro Bowl and be named Offensive Rookie of the Year. The team wasn't great (6-10), and Cam was far from perfect (17 INTs and 60% completions), but Chud drew up a blueprint for future non-traditional QBs.

I think the two canonical examples of NFL teams creating transitional offenses for talented rookie QBs coming from non-pro style schemes are that Panthers staff with Cam in 2011, and the Shanahans in Washington the very next year with RG3.

Enix wrote:

TL,DR: Frank Reich isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is.

What's funny is that Reich was on the staff of another recent strong QB rookie season - Carson Wentz in Philly. Of course, Doug Pederson was the primary offensive mind, and that offense staff also had John DeFilippo and Press Taylor. And Carson Wentz was coming to the league from a more pro-style offense, so there was less of an extreme scheme transition. Still, when I put on a YouTube video of Wentz as a rookie, I don't see the Eagles running all-stops repeatedly.

A lot of Bengals fans are screaming that they would have won if Burrow was healthy. I am mostly responding with "You lost to a team that got beat by Gardner Minshew, Kenny Pickett, and Groper Cleveland. If you need a healthy $275m QB to not get spanked twice, your problem is coaching."

Looks like the rest of the league is in trouble because the Browns are working out a former Super Bowl MVP at QB.

*Legion* wrote:

What's funny is that Reich was on the staff of another recent strong QB rookie season - Carson Wentz in Philly. Of course, Doug Pederson was the primary offensive mind, and that offense staff also had John DeFilippo and Press Taylor. And Carson Wentz was coming to the league from a more pro-style offense, so there was less of an extreme scheme transition. Still, when I put on a YouTube video of Wentz as a rookie, I don't see the Eagles running all-stops repeatedly.

Reich has been dining out on Wentz's rookie season for years. You'd think Carolina's owner would have learned his lesson after hiring a guy who once made Temple (now going on four straight losing seasons) good at football for about 5 minutes, but nope.

Speaking of all-stops, this twitter vid is the perfect encapsulation of the Panthers' offense. Start it at 1:55, let it roll for about 20 seconds and then count the number of receivers that are just standing around 5 yards from the LOS. It's football malpractice.

Paleocon wrote:

Looks like the rest of the league is in trouble because the Browns are working out a former Super Bowl MVP at QB.

As mid/late-season panic moves go, this one is definitely ELITE.

Enix wrote:

Speaking of all-stops, this twitter vid is the perfect encapsulation of the Panthers' offense. Start it at 1:55, let it roll for about 20 seconds and then count the number of receivers that are just standing around 5 yards from the LOS. It's football malpractice.

New drinking game: drink whenever a Panther WR runs a stop route.

Last person to get alcohol poisoning wins.

*Legion* wrote:
Enix wrote:

Speaking of all-stops, this twitter vid is the perfect encapsulation of the Panthers' offense. Start it at 1:55, let it roll for about 20 seconds and then count the number of receivers that are just standing around 5 yards from the LOS. It's football malpractice.

New drinking game: drink whenever a Panther WR runs a stop route.

Last person to get alcohol poisoning die wins.

FIFY

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

Looks like the rest of the league is in trouble because the Browns are working out a former Super Bowl MVP at QB.

As mid/late-season panic moves go, this one is definitely ELITE.

I think it's weird that Nick Foles hasn't surfaced throughout any of the QB turmoil this year. I wonder if he's just completely done with football. I know he had one foot in retirement before Andy Reid coaxed him back, and that was way back in 2016.

He got his big payday from the sucker Jaguars ($30 million for 4 games, going 0-4), and then squeezed another $21 mil from the Bears for 2 years of backup/Trubisky is trash replacement starter duty (8 starts, going 3-5). Got a few more bucks from Indy on his way to the couch.

His name is in every "Team X needs to sign one of these 4 QBs NOW!" article, but he doesn't seem to have actually popped up for even a workout anywhere.

Burrow done for the year.

Not sure if adding an extra game or short weeks is worse for the players.

Or just both.

jowner wrote:

Burrow done for the year.

Not sure if adding an extra game or short weeks is worse for the players.

Or just both.

Is that official?

Paleocon wrote:
jowner wrote:

Burrow done for the year.

Not sure if adding an extra game or short weeks is worse for the players.

Or just both.

Is that official?

Yup.

Looks like it's Jake Browning season in Cincy.

His backup: breakout XFL star AJ McCarron, who hasn't thrown an NFL pass since 2020.

Speaking of NFC North backups, looks like the Browns have canceled PJ Walker season and gone straight to the law firm of Dorian Thompson-Robinson. Meanwhile, Joe Flacco was working out in Cleveland in hopes of being immortalized on the greatest jersey in NFL history:

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