NFL 2023: The Week 9 thread

Sorry for the delay. My house was under siege by a bunch of candy-crazed goblins tonight, and all I had guarding it was Ikky Ekwonu. It's a wonder those little bastards didn't steal the furniture right off my porch.

GIF OF THE WEEK, PART 1

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Well, whaddya know: The Panthers won a game! 1-16 is now within reach.

The "Panthers picked the wrong QB" haters have been mighty quiet this week, thank goodness

GIF OF THE WEEK, PART 2

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Gaze into the eyes of the Pride of Shepherd University, Tyler Bagent, now QB1 for the Chicago Bears.

This is a man whose mouth says he's thrilled to be in the NFL but whose eyes say he has seen a world in which his QBR of 22.9 ranked ahead of only Jordan Love; Matthew Stafford, who played with only one thumb;
Desmond Ridder, who was (allegedly) concussed; and Jimmy G, whose 3.7 QBR suggests terminal brain damage.

GIF OF THE WEEK, PART 3

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I lived in Houston during the tail end of the Oilers era and got to see a couple of games in the Astrodome. (You could actually smoke in the stadium in certain places; that's all I remember except that the Oilers lost and the place was incredibly dark.) Weird to see Oilers blue in Nashville, especially because if you drilled down into Nashville's bedrock you'd hit not oil but a gusher that produced endless permutations of country songs about ex-wives, dogs, pickup trucks and 'Murica.

STAT OF THE WEEK

Speaking of bad QB play, the Meadowlands Bowl was something.

* The Giants finished with NEGATIVE NINE passing yards. That's the fewest since 2000 (tying the Browns) and the first time a team had finished an OT game with negative passing yards.

* The Jets defense had a 95.8% defensive success rate against the Giants on pass plays. That's the best of the Next Gen Stats era (since 2016).

* Conversely, the Jets' 4.2% success rates on passing plays was the worst since 2000, according to TruMedia (which is how far their data goes back). There are only nine other games since 2000 below 10%. (They include the Wind Bowl in 2021, when the Patriots ran it 46 times against the Bills; and the Blizzard Bowl in 2013, when LeSean McCoy and the Eagles ran over the Lions.)

* The Jets and Giants were a combined 4-for-34 on third down.

* The two teams combined for 24 punts (most since 2003); the 15 punts in the first half were the most since 2000.

* With 1:19 remaining, the Giants had a win probability of 99.9%.

RUNNER-UP STAT OF THE WEEK
Because the Ravens beat the Cardinals on Sunday, Ravens RG Kevin Zeitler became the 17th player since 1991 to start and beat all 32 NFL teams. The other 16 include Favre, Brady, Peyton Manning and Andrew Whitworth.

WEEK 9 SCHEDULE

Lots of good games this week!

Thursday
Titans at Steelers (Prime)

Sunday morning
** Der Delfin vs Der Häuptling ** in Frankfurt (NFL Network)

Sunday early
Vikings at Falcons
Seahawks at Ravens in the BIRD BOWL
Cardinals at Browns
Rams at Packers
Buccaneers at Texans
Commanders at Patriots
Bears at Saints

Sunday late
Colts at Panthers in the FRANK REICH BOWL
Giants at Raiders
** Cowboys at Eagles ** (GOTW)

Sunday night
*** Bills at Bengals *** (NBC)

Monday
Chargers at Jets (ABC, ESPN, ManningCast)

Bye: Broncos, Lions, Jaguars, Niners

Maps (on Wed.)

How many bird bowls are there?

Stele wrote:

How many bird bowls are there?

10. 15 if you count the metal bird team as a bird team.

Rat Boy in the Week 7 thread wrote:

I'm starting to think my prediction of Josh McDaniels getting fired the day after the Nickelodeon Christmas game might be wrong.

Josh McDaniels never lived to see Christmas, or Thanksgiving, for he was slain on All Hallows Eve, and his little GM too.

Which coach should play against frank reich in a future Frankfurt game?

As a Ravens fan, I want Geno S to have a big game.

Geno Stone that is.

*Legion* wrote:
Rat Boy in the Week 7 thread wrote:

I'm starting to think my prediction of Josh McDaniels getting fired the day after the Nickelodeon Christmas game might be wrong.

Josh McDaniels never lived to see Christmas, or Thanksgiving, for he was slain on All Hallows Eve, and his little GM too.

How bad do you have to be that Mark Davis is willing to swallow paying several more years of your contract just to get rid of you.

Oh, yeah, "Josh McDaniels Bad".

Congrats to Josh McDaniels, formerly of the Raiders and winner of the First Coach Fired Award for 2023.

The prize is two tickets to the Bird Bowl. All the Bird Bowls. There's always a Bird Bowl (unless it's a Cat Bowl or some other bowl that occurs to me as I'm typing up the weekly NFL schedule for you fine folks).

But of course the Raiders do this on one of the few nights of the year anyone's paying attention.

The Details Behind Mark Davis Firing Josh McDaniels.

I would also like to point out that Jimmy Garoppolo's passer rating as a Raider (78.1) is worse than any Derek Carr season outside of Carr's rookie year, and that Carr never finished a season worse than a 1.6:1 TD:INT ratio. Garoppolo currently sits at 7 TDs to 9 INTs, and his 5.4% INT percentage is nearly double Carr's absolute worst year (2.8%).

Mark Davis let McDoofus murder Derek Carr for this, and he deserves all the badness that he's gotten from the deal.

TJ Watt got his helmet ripped off by the offensive tackle and still went and made a sack without it. He's out of his mind.

Yep:

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You saw how he hit that hotdog!

Some pretty ugly injuries tonight.

Good news is Treyvon Burks walked out of the locker room, so his injury seems to be less serious than feared.

At 5-3, the Steelers are the 34th team since 1933 – when rushing and receiving stats were first tracked – to be outgained in each of their first eight games of a season; they’re the only one of those who had a winning record, per
@JMcTigue85
. The Steelers are also the only team this season to be outgained in every game, and they’ve been outgained by -790 yards, 2nd worst to only the Broncos (-830).

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Prederick wrote:
At 5-3, the Steelers are the 34th team since 1933 – when rushing and receiving stats were first tracked – to be outgained in each of their first eight games of a season; they’re the only one of those who had a winning record, per
@JMcTigue85
. The Steelers are also the only team this season to be outgained in every game, and they’ve been outgained by -790 yards, 2nd worst to only the Broncos (-830).

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Tomlin is playing NFL on New Game+.

I know I am preaching to the choir with this, but there are so many Lamar haters everywhere else.

He still has a ways to go on that. Frozen feet, weird videos, etc.

Can someone explain to me how this fine makes any sense at all?

The Raiders have been my all-time Sports Hate franchise since I was a kid, plus I have a dark place in my heart for fail-son late-stage capitalism, so watching Mark Davis continue to break his toy from daddy is...amusing.

Davis is now saying Antonio Pierce is the answer. Maybe you're the problem, Mark.

The Problem Was Always Josh McDaniels

Nate Jackson for Defector wrote:

Josh McDaniels is a bad football coach. This is an objectively defensible statement. The proof is now in the tapioca, and the tapioca currently is splattered all over the turf at Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas.

McDaniels is out, after less than two seasons as the Raiders' head coach. They went 6-11 in 2022, and got to 3-5 this year before the collective moans got so loud that even cash-strapped Mark Davis recognized the problem wasn’t the players—it was Josh. It was always Josh. Everywhere he has gone, other than New England, the problem has always been Josh and that jockstrap he carries around in his back pocket. The one he’s never washed. The one he stole from Tom Brady’s locker before leaving Foxboro and striking out on his own. The one he tossed to anyone who ever questioned his football acumen. Smell it, he’d say. Any questions?

This alone got him hired as an NFL head coach—twice. And now, not even Brady’s presence in Vegas as minority owner was enough to keep Josh’s head from rolling. Ding-dong, the witch is dead.

I could say I told you so, and will, because I did. But when I say it, it has the air of a lover scorned. Of course I'd say Josh McDaniel is a sh*tty coach: He cut me. My time as a Denver Bronco ended at his hand, like that of so many of my friends. He took over for Mike Shanahan in 2009 and immediately began dismantling what had been a well-oiled machine. The Broncos started off 6-0 that year, then won two of their next 10 to finish at 8-8. In Week 13 of the following season, with the team's record at 3-9, he was fired.

How did things go so wrong so fast? Where do we start?

Josh had immediately butted heads with Denver's most talented young offensive players, Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, and Tony Scheffler. They were Shanahan guys, and they made him uncomfortable, so he sent them packing. My old teammate, Tyler Polumbus, who played for both Shanahan and Josh, relayed this story to me: After trading Cutler, Josh addressed the entire team and said, “Fellas, don’t worry about the quarterback situation. I can turn a high school quarterback into an All-Pro.”

That jockstrap in his pocket gave him a false confidence, as did his handle on gaming the system. The league fined him for filming a San Francisco 49ers walk-through practice. The video guy had come in with Josh, replacing the Shanahan-era holdover. Did Josh know this was happening? He says no; judge his credibility for yourself. Either way, it brought shame upon the Broncos organization. Surveillance and skulduggery may be considered “best practice” in New England, but that sh*t didn’t fly in Denver.

McDaniels's ego wasn't only fragile on the field. He famously shipped out running back Peyton Hillis because, rumor had it, McDaniels thought his wife was attracted to Hillis. For those of us accustomed to being handled with class—Shanahan, agree with him or not, could be counted upon for this—Josh's approach to leadership left much to be desired. Case in point: I found out my Broncos career was over from a message left on my parents' answering machine. “Honey, there’s something I think you need to listen to.” When I tried to contact Josh for an explanation, his secretary told me he was in a meeting and that he’d call me back. He never did.

My story is not unique. The sport is littered with players and ex-players done wrong by McDaniels, ones who'd loved the game of football but learned to hate it under him. Polumbus told me that every day at work began with a “bad football” reel from the day before: McDaniels would dog cuss the player and their coach for any bad play from the previous day's practice, setting the tone for a super fun day. Many of his (de)motivational tactics were Bill Belichick knock-offs, like putting slogans and mantras in big block letters around the building, then calling guys out in meetings, making them stand up to recite them, and cussing out those who couldn’t. I experienced the same thing during my one week in Cleveland under Eric Mangini, another Belichick disciple who tried to copy and paste The Patriot Way, and failed miserably.

Clearly a good football team is more than merely its clever Xs and Os. McDaniels and Mangini are not the New England football robot factory's only outputs who laid waste to professional football teams. Matt Patricia. Romeo Crennel. Brian Flores. Joe Judge. Brian Daboll. All of them have losing records as NFL head coaches. Only Bill O’Brien has a winning record. All of these slapdicks put together have only two playoff victories as NFL head coaches. Two. For context, every single one of Shanahan’s former assistants who took a top job has a winning record in the NFL; they have three Super Bowl trophies among them.

So Mark Davis did what he had to do. In doing so, he may have regained the locker room—one that has already been to hell and back. I hesitate to sympathize with the Raiders, but what Josh did to that team—what Davis did to it, through him—was nearly criminal.

The year before McDaniels got there, the Raiders had lost their head coach, Jon Gruden, amid a scandal over racist emails. One of their teammates, Henry Ruggs, killed a woman while reckless driving and went to prison. Another teammate brandished a gun on Instagram live. Darren Waller and Maxx Crosby fought addiction issues. It was a team in disarray when Gruden resigned in October of 2021, but special teams coordinator Rich Bisaccia took over and steadied the ship, somehow bringing the Raiders to the playoffs, where they nearly upset the Super Bowl–bound Bengals in Cincinnati.

To my mind, the Raiders had found their coach. The team loved Bisaccia. Special teams coaches often are beloved by a locker room, because they deal with the entire team. They are not offensive or defensive specialists, but everymen, and they have a mass appeal. So how did Mark Davis reward the success of this deeply emotional journey? He fired the beloved guy who got the Raiders through it and replaced him with a preening, cheating football robot with a proven record of annihilating the football spirit of grown professionals.

Derek Carr was the emotional center of that team. He'd led the Raiders through the fire with courage and vulnerability. He had his teammates' trust, and he attracted the best wide receiver in the league, Davante Adams, to Vegas. This kind of power and influence made Josh uncomfortable, so, true to form, he shipped Carr out just like he'd done to Jay Cutler in Denver—because, remember, Josh could turn any old high school quarterback into an All-Pro.

Can Josh design a good play? Sure. Can he make his players care about running that play? He cannot. There is a reason the Raiders have blown more double-digit leads than anyone else in the NFL over the last two years. When the game drags on, the team whose players care more about each other and, yes, their coach, will dig the deepest and find a way to win. I respected Mike Shanahan too much to leave a single drop of unspent juice in my tank. I would die to execute his vision. Josh elicited no such feelings.

Ultimately, this should be a lesson to everyone in the sports world. If you don’t have the respect of your team, it doesn’t matter how clever you are on the f*cking whiteboard. Coaching is about connecting with other humans. It's about paying attention to what they are going through and responding to it. It's about listening to what they tell you. It's about putting them in positions to succeed, challenging them to be their best, and respecting the effort they give you. Honoring their sacrifice. Believing in them. Showing them that you love them, not just as players, but as people.

It's about setting them to up shine, not running off the brightest among them so you can be the star instead. In the end, it was McDaniels’s ego that did him in. He always believed he knew better and was better, but he never did, and he never was.

Top_Shelf wrote:

Clearly a good football team is more than merely its clever Xs and Os. McDaniels and Mangini are not the New England football robot factory's only outputs who laid waste to professional football teams. Matt Patricia. Romeo Crennel. Brian Flores. Joe Judge. Brian Daboll. All of them have losing records as NFL head coaches. Only Bill O’Brien has a winning record. All of these slapdicks put together have only two playoff victories as NFL head coaches. Two. For context, every single one of Shanahan’s former assistants who took a top job has a winning record in the NFL; they have three Super Bowl trophies among them.

And the are the receipts. The Patriot Way is trash. Bonus points for use of the word slapdicks.

Gus bus is delivering for fantasy owners

The ravens dismantle the Lions and Seahawks but struggle with sh*t teams like the Colts, Cards, and Steelers. We need to get consistent.

The Giants are terrible and the Raiders really must have hated Josh McDaniels' guts.

Carolina has managed to p!ss away any measure of good will they generated after last week's W. They are playing like they're their 40th best team in a 32-team league.

Pete Carroll teams typically show up to play every week.

Couple of atrocious losses this year. Oof.

Eagles gave Dallas chances. Dak gonna get eviscerated on the talk shows for that sack.

Can’t go up 28-17 and then proceed to go 3 and out for the rest of the game and win that often. Thankfully Dallas did Dallas things at the end.

Paleocon wrote:

The ravens dismantle the Lions and Seahawks but struggle with sh*t teams like the Colts, Cards, and Steelers. We need to get consistent.

Romo would NOT shut up about BAL's SB chances all broadcast. I'd pump the brakes on that type of talk the first weekend of November. I feel like the NFL has transitioned a bit to where some teams can get ridiculously hot for a 4-6 week period and playoff success is highly dependent on depth/play at playoff time. You want to get hot in time for the final push.

Maybe BAL can keep their current pace going for the next two months. But I wouldn't bet on it (feel free to blast me as they steamroll everyone on the way to a SB blowout).