NFL 2023: The training camps thread

I saw an early mock draft that had Arizona taking Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison Jr #1 and #2, and I am now rooting for some cheap meaningless wins from both teams.

Cards play the Texans, so at least they won't both be winless.

Spoiler:

Unless they tie!

The Bucs have a lot of talent on their roster in terms of starters outside QB; they just have crap for depth. Evans and Godwin will move the ball, and the defense is actually pretty solid; the team is unfortunately going to fall into its traditional 5-6 win territory thanks to playing the NFC and AFC South, and they'll just accidentally win games I'd rather they lost.

The Cardinals, however, could not be tanking any harder at this point.

I am sure this all comes as an exciting development for Marquise Hollywood Brown.

The Packers apparently had serious trade interest in Jonathan Taylor, and they still might once he's eligible to come off the PUP list in a few weeks.

The Nick Bosa holdout continues to be the least dramatic long-term holdout in recent memory. According to a report today, he'll be rejoining the team to participate in week 1 activities, and traveling with them to Pittsburgh, with both sides expecting to finish the deal "within the next few days".

Given the 49ers long-term cap obligations, I imagine a lot of the delay is more procedural and less about total dollars. It's going to take some doing on the Niners side to structure it (and possibly coordinate contract restructures with other players to make the room), and there's probably a lot of back-and-forth on specific terms (eg. when Bosa gets paid certain chunks of guaranteed money).

*Legion* wrote:

The Packers apparently had serious trade interest in Jonathan Taylor, and they still might once he's eligible to come off the PUP list in a few weeks.

Has to be a somewhat slow news day.

Only way that trade works is if they essentially could dump Aaron Jones in the process money wise.

Even then Green Bay paid Jones but not the kind of money Taylor wants so it still wouldn't make sense.

That said I do think there's a point where you zag from the don't pay RBs trend. You can pay RBs, you just can't pay them long term and get caught holding the cap damage when their production plummets. Or you can't pay them when the replacement level guy is a fraction of the cost. Which is why Emmanuel Wilson made the 53 with the preseason he had.

Here's a mild surprise: The Panthers cut third-string QB Matt Corral a year after trading up to get him.

Turns out Carolina would rather have an O-lineman to keep their franchise QB from getting killed than have a guy on their bench who will replace the franchise QB after he's killed by a suspect O-line.

Assuming Corral clears waivers (you never know, I guess), he'll be back in Carolina on the practice squad.

Boo Carolina for waiver claiming 49ers CB D’Shawn Jamison. He was a surprisingly good UDFA, and would have been great to stash on the PS.

My Ravens waived Kyu Blu Kelly who they drafted in the fifth. He didn’t impress at all in the preseason but he has the assets to be a promising project. The practice squad was the logical place for him but apparently someone else thought otherwise and claimed him. It hurts to lose a draft pick like that but it was the right move. We definitely need someone who can play now.

*Legion* wrote:

Boo Carolina for waiver claiming 49ers CB D’Shawn Jamison. He was a surprisingly good UDFA, and would have been great to stash on the PS.

I don't know anything about Jamison (glad he might be good!) but I knew Carolina needed to do something at CB. The Panthers' original 53 had just four CBs, and two of those guys (Horn and Jackson) are coming off of major injuries.

*Legion* wrote:

Surprises from 49ers cutdowns:

- Only 8 D-linemen (not counting Bosa). Kerry Hyder didn't make the cut in his reunion with the team.

Turns out, Hyder did make it. They cut him because, as a vested veteran, he isn’t subject to waivers. So they carried a couple guys on the initial 53 that were then sent to IR, and used Hyder and fellow D-lineman Austin Bryant as the cut-and-re-sign-afterwards guys because of their veteran status.

Enix wrote:

I don't know anything about Jamison (glad he might be good!) but I knew Carolina needed to do something at CB. The Panthers' original 53 had just four CBs, and two of those guys (Horn and Jackson) are coming off of major injuries.

From The Athletic today:

Shanahan said Jamison, who went undrafted out of Texas, lost some momentum toward the end of training camp. He didn’t help himself by muffing a punt in the second preseason game and then allowing himself to be hit from behind on a return later in the contest.

“But I definitely wish we could’ve kept him here, so I was bummed about that this morning,” Shanahan said.

Those final roster spots really come down to special teams, and Jamison hurt his chances of making the 53 there, but he showed enough at CB that Shanahan is bummed that they couldn’t sneak him into the PS. For a rebuilding team like Carolina, the waiver claim makes perfect sense.

Thanks for the intel on Jamison. Looks like the Panthers were eyeing him only for the CB room. They've already got a couple of return guys. One's an RB; another is a WR they got in a trade from KC this week.

Meanwhile, Brian Burns was or wasn't at practice today, depending on who was asked, so now there's all sorts of speculation about his contract negotiations. I think a lot of folks figured he'd skip training camp to pressure Carolina to get a deal done, but he showed up, and there's still no deal. Huh.

*Legion* wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

Surprises from 49ers cutdowns:

- Only 8 D-linemen (not counting Bosa). Kerry Hyder didn't make the cut in his reunion with the team.

Turns out, Hyder did make it. They cut him because, as a vested veteran, he isn’t subject to waivers. So they carried a couple guys on the initial 53 that were then sent to IR, and used Hyder and fellow D-lineman Austin Bryant as the cut-and-re-sign-afterwards guys because of their veteran status.

Tricky

The Patriots claimed Matt Corral. Kinda funny since the Panthers traded up with them last year to take Corral and the Pats took Zappe with one of the picks they got in return.

Pink Stripes wrote:

The Patriots claimed Matt Corral. Kinda funny since the Panthers traded up with them last year to take Corral and the Pats took Zappe with one of the picks they got in return.

Patriots Twitter is all CHESS NOT CHECKERS CHECKMATE at the moment, like they just got the second coming of Tom Brady.

I mean, it's Matt Corral, aka Diet Rite Mac Jones. The only reason Matt Corral was in Carolina was that Ben McAdoo wanted him, and the only person who wanted McAdoo as an OC was the dumbass now coaching in Nebraska.

PS: I definitely see the humor in the waiver claim and wonder if that's mainly why Belichick did it.

Enix wrote:
Pink Stripes wrote:

The Patriots claimed Matt Corral. Kinda funny since the Panthers traded up with them last year to take Corral and the Pats took Zappe with one of the picks they got in return.

Patriots Twitter is all CHESS NOT CHECKERS CHECKMATE at the moment, like they just got the second coming of Tom Brady.

I mean, it's Matt Corral, aka Diet Rite Mac Jones. The only reason Matt Corral was in Carolina was that Ben McAdoo wanted him, and the only person who wanted McAdoo as an OC was the dumbass now coaching in Nebraska.

PS: I definitely see the humor in the waiver claim and wonder if that's mainly why Belichick did it.

After Brady left, and the Bills stomped the Pats, there was a comment on PFT along the lines of BB is playing Chess while the Bills just played football. I'm not sure things have changed that much since. If there was any intentional humor, it was not the right time.

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Good news, Enix; Matt Rhule's Cornhuskers team had a game won last night, and were up 10-3 with 2:32 left in the 4th quarter. They lost 13-10 on a last second field goal. So, just a little something to keep your residual spite warm.

I don't even cheer for Carolina but I had to watch that dipshit on TV for years here. And I very much enjoyed him blowing it last night. Why everyone thought he was a great hire after the last few years I'll never understand.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Good news, Enix; Matt Rhule's Cornhuskers team had a game won last night, and were up 10-3 with 2:32 left in the 4th quarter. They lost 13-10 on a last second field goal. So, just a little something to keep your residual spite warm.

The Huskers actually scored in the third quarter and they didn't choke away the game until late in the 4th. Otherwise, last night's game smelled very familiar.

Panthers Twitter has been 90% LOL HUSKERZ since last night and I injected all of it into my veins.

Enix wrote:

Meanwhile, Brian Burns was or wasn't at practice today, depending on who was asked, so now there's all sorts of speculation about his contract negotiations. I think a lot of folks figured he'd skip training camp to pressure Carolina to get a deal done, but he showed up, and there's still no deal. Huh.

$20 says the problem here is the delay in the Bosa extension. It’s not unusual for other high-level players at a position to wait for the guy that’s gonna set the new market rate to sign his deal, so that they can base their deals relative to it.

Burns’ camp probably expected the Bosa extension to be done before now, but he and the Niners seem determined to squeak it in at the buzzer.

Toronto has made our boy $wag Kelly the CFL’s highest paid player.

One day, the prodigal son will return.

Chandler Jones was locked out of the Raiders' training facility, and boy was he unhappy about it.

If the Raiders struggle early in the season, I think things could get spicy in Vegas real fast. We already know Davante Adams isn't happy.

Josh McDaniels is toast this season. The real question is if he gets fired before Christmas or after Christmas.

Rat Boy wrote:

Josh McDaniels is toast this season. The real question is if he gets fired before Christmas or after Christmas.

I'm just imagining a mid-October where Jimmy G goes down to injury (either new or re-aggravating the foot injury) while Derek Carr has a bounce-back year in New Orleans. When it turns out giving #4 to Aidan O'Connell doesn't actually turn him into New Carr, the Black Hole uproar is gonna be deafening.

I mean this guy is still on the market... and he owns a small part of the team.

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The fact that Andrews hasn't practiced in a week makes me nervous and I don't trust Harbaugh when it comes to injury news.

Harbaugh: It's nothing serious.

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Manningcast "auditions". Can they please give Peyton and Eli all the TV time, like all of it.

I like the Manningcast when Eli starts talking like a QB and you remember, oh right, this little brother goof is actually a high level athlete with a ton of knowledge.