NFL 2023: The training camps thread

Enix wrote:

New Broncos coach Sean Payton on the sh!tshow that was the Broncos last season:

“Everything I heard about last season, we’re doing the opposite."

It would have been a short study session if he just listened to Patrick.

Everytime I read the name Joe Burrow, I hear it in Pat Mahomes The Elder's voice.

The Dray Play comic today is about who the new worst owner in the league is with Snyder gone:

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Haslam is a good choice, but I think Dave is missing a couple of candidates.

Bob McNair's failson Cal is cut from the same racist cloth as his dad.

Stephen Ross for the Brian Flores stuff, the Brady tampering, the Trump fundraising, the Richie Incognito "BullyGate", and other smaller stuff.

Woody Johnson probably belongs up there too.

I have a friend who's a huge Manchester United fan, and hates the Glazers as much as apparently all Manchester United fans. I calmly point out they're honestly pretty darn solid NFL owners because they're *points above*, and I don't give a crap how people feel about their soccer team.

It is like that old Frankenstein parable. Knowledge is knowing Watson is a sexual predator. Wisdom is knowing Haslam is the Monster.

Ross has a really strong case, but I'm fine with Haslam sitting on the sh*t throne.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I have a friend who's a huge Manchester United fan, and hates the Glazers as much as apparently all Manchester United fans. I calmly point out they're honestly pretty darn solid NFL owners because they're *points above*, and I don't give a crap how people feel about their soccer team.

Yeah, the Glazers don't even make it onto the radar in the NFL.

And man, do I have no sympathy for a fanbase of a team who is outspending the median team's player payroll by about 4-to-1 (and outspending the lowest team by about 15-to-1). You're the biggest spender in a pay-to-win game, STFU.

The Joe Burrow calf injury appears to be getting a lot of air time.

Paleocon wrote:

The Joe Burrow calf injury appears to be getting a lot of air time.

It's the first big thing to overreact to.

Kinda funny how it drowned out a much more serious injury: Jalen Ramsey meniscus tear and surgery, which we hear in reports today should keep him out until December.

So, not pro at all, purely NCAA, but, since there's so much talk about FRESNO STATE here, a story on potential Pac-12 expansion, with the following nugget:

Academically Fresno State doesn't meet the standard of the Pac-12 like a handful of these schools, but taking a chance won't hurt.

I believe I have a standard new rejoinder for Fat Josh Freeman pictures.

Yes, the PAC-12 and their “we won’t play sports with you unless you’re a research school”, because there’s so much crossover with athletes and those Ph.D candidates.

You can tell how important it was to all these schools, as half of them leave and the conference hangs on by a thread.

Don't underestimate who really runs those R1 schools out west. Those members on the Board of Regents have a lot more in common with cultural elites and don't look like the folks in the SEC schools. There's a heavy dose of intellectual elitism (Stanford, Cal, UW, etc) at those places where they like their sports but there's not the same, "Anything goes .." mindset. Winning football games just isn't as high a priority as other things.

My God. Jim Irsay is giving all the worst quotes on earth.

I hope Jonathan tells him to go f*ck himself.

Irsay making a late push for the Draw Play bad owners comic.

Prederick wrote:

My God. Jim Irsay is giving all the worst quotes on earth.

I hope Jonathan tells him to go f*ck himself.

Apparently JT requested a trade.

Edit: source.

Rat Boy wrote:
Enix wrote:

New Broncos coach Sean Payton on the sh!tshow that was the Broncos last season:

“Everything I heard about last season, we’re doing the opposite."

It would have been a short study session if he just listened to Patrick.

Now we must ask if Q. A. A. Ron will slap the shit out of a cartoon character.

Quarterback Tiers 2023! (via The Athletic)

QBs are listed by tiers in order of votes received for that tier
The 30 QBs listed here are probable starters
Rookies aren't included

Tier 1
(carries his team each week; expert in pure passing situations)
Mahomes, Burrow, Josh Allen, Rodgers, Herbert

Tier 2
(inconsistently carries his team; handles pure passing situations in doses; couple of holes in his game)
Hurts, Lamar, Lawrence, Dak, Stafford, Watson, Cousins

Tier 3
(legitimate starter but flawed)
Kyler, Carr, Goff, Russellwilson, Tua, Jimmy G, Daniel Jones, Geno, Fields, Tannehill, Mac Jones

Tier 4
(unproven player or veteran who won't start all 17 games)
Brock Purdy, Kenny Pickett, Jordan Love, Baker Mayfield, Sam Howell, Desmond Ritter, Gardner Minshew

Notable:

* In Tier 1, Mahomes got 50 (of 50) Tier 1 votes, while Burrow got 49/50.

* Rodgers got more Tier 2 votes this year (20) than he has combined since 2014 when QB Tiers debuted (which means folks think the end of his career is coming fast).

* In just three years, Hurts has gone from Tier 4 to Tier 3 to the top of Tier 2.

* Lamar can't crack Tier 1, as folks still can't decide if he's a great passer or merely a good (or somewhat limited) one.

* Watson had been Tier 1 for three straight years before dropping to Tier 2 for 2023

* Russell Wilson had the largest one-year decline in average tier vote in the history of QB Tiers

* Geno had the largest improvement from 2022 Tiers to 2023. (He was a solid Tier 4 guy before last season.)

* Brock Purdy was right on the border of Tier 3/4. Folks aren't sure if he's a capital-W Winner or benefitted from having an elite defense and an elite play-caller in his helmet.

Jokes on them for even listing Mayfield, reports out of Bucs camp say Kyle Trask has been outplaying him.

*heavy sigh*

Enix wrote:

* Brock Purdy was right on the border of Tier 3/4. Folks aren't sure if he's a capital-W Winner or benefitted from having an elite defense and an elite play-caller in his helmet.

Tier 4 is right for a guy that's only had 8 starts, even as good as Purdy's have been. Too small a sample size.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Jokes on them for even listing Mayfield, reports out of Bucs camp say Kyle Trask has been outplaying him.

You heard the report wrong, it said outweighing.

Oh shit, Nickelodeon is going to have the Super Bowl. I know where I'm watching.

The winning team gets Gatorade, losers get slimed.

Oh god, the falsetto...

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Your reminder there is something resembling a professional NFL football game tonight, about two miles from where I set right now.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Your reminder there is something resembling a professional NFL football game tonight, about two miles from where I set right now.

Totally forgot! All the good vibes from the Panthers' camp have me a little loopy.

"C'mon Dak, c'mon Dak!"

Now that's what I like to see.

Save some of those for November 5, though.

So, with today's ceremony . . . random thought. The legendary 2000 Ravens team? Two Hall of Famers, with Rod Woodson and Ray Lewis. The legendary 1985 Bears? Four Hall of Famers, with Singletary, Richard Dent, and Steve McMichael.

Just saying, the 2002 Bucs? Four Hall of Famers. Just 33% better than the 1985 Bears, it's just math.

Happy 20th anniversary to ESPN's Playmakers. Melancholy happy 19th-ish anniversary to the cancellation of EPSN's Playmakers.