2023/24 Soccer Thread

jowner wrote:

I guess this is how Americans feel when they are first learning about English soccer and they get confused about all the different cups.

I have no idea wtf the US open Cup is and or how Messi still hasn't actually played an MLS game yet. I think that's accurate.

Ronaldo must be fuming that his handlers convinced him the money was worth it because the only thing he probably cares more about is all this attention Messi is getting over him.

The US Open Cup is the name of our domestic cup tournament - same thing as the FA Cup, DFB Pokal, Copa del Rey, etc.

Fun fact: The only championship I've ever seen one of my teams win in person was the US Open Cup, a few years ago. And we might do it again, but we have to get through Messi!

Hell has frozen over - Leeds have signed a Striker!

Liverpool announced that they will not be selling Salah, which I immediately took to mean Saudi Arabia is throwing several dozen (tax free!) $$$'s his way to try and lure him away.

I didn't think of this until after the Mane signing, but it's actually another advantage the Saudis have. I'm pretty sure a decent number of the players they've signed are Muslim, and moving to not just a Muslim country, but arguably the Muslim country probably doesn't hurt as an advertising pitch.

Anyway, Saudi Arabia's window doesn't close until the 20th of September, and obviously they're not going to take no for an answer. Salah's agent said they're committed back in August, but, y'know, Saudi money. So we'll see.

EDIT: LOL, they're allegedly offering players 50% of their contracts up front as a sweetner. the SPL is for real, y'all.

Oh, and how f*cking stupid were Nike to not already be selling Mary Earps' kit before and basically had to be shamed into it?

Prederick wrote:

Oh, and how f*cking stupid were Nike to not already be selling Mary Earps' kit before and basically had to be shamed into it?

At this point you haven't considered the cynical position that once Nike knew there was at least some demand, they made sure as hell they weren't going to fold until there was a hell of a lot of demand?

As, the Salah thing - the people that own Newcastle United attempt to sign Liverpool's star player for another league, for whom there's no release clause and there is still about 3 years on their contract.

My. I wonder why they could possibly be doing that?

LOL, I had not considered that!

Well, I'm sure there's no problems here. I mean, Wikipedia says that the PIF, which holds a 80% stake in Newcastle is run by Yasir Al-Rumayyan, who is the chairman of the club now.

And the PIF, which took 75% stakes in Al-Ahli, Al-Ittihad, Al-Hilal, and Al-Nassr as part of the Saudi Vision 2030 program is run by....

....Yasir Al-Rumayyan.

Well I'm sure everything's on the level and it's all perfectly transparent.

.....I'm sorry, I'm being told the PIF is among the least transparent sovereign wealth funds on the planet.

Well I'm sure it's all fine.

Prederick wrote:
@Ankaman616 wrote:

Hello friends, the Premier League returns this week.
So it's time for the Bad Predictions Amnesty.
Please tell me your most instinctive, baseless footballing prediction for 23-24.
You get a re-do at the end of the Jan window.
We look back at these at the end of the season.

The goal of the Amnesty is not to be proven correct. (That is a fun bonus.)

The Amnesty is to purge yourself of that annoying footballing thought before a ball has been kicked.

Begin!

Mine:

1 - Luton will claim at least two scalps from the "Top 7" and still be dead-cert for relegation by February.
2 - We will see at least 3 games reach or surpass 110 total minutes thanks to the new stoppage time rules.
3 - Arsenal and Liverpool finish outside of the Top 4 (but Nunez has a 20+ goal season)
4 - Kane stays, has worst season of his career
5 - Brighton, inexplicably, continue to do the thing

Going back to this I was hoping to put something together but I'm just not that creative.

The only one that was floating around my head is applicable now.

It's essentially Newcastle + Saudi League get mixed up in tampering in the EPL.

It's bound to happen that they will buy a player from Newcastle at some insane price to just funnel money into the club or directly tamper with players like Salah that there's going to be some kind of threat of investigations.

I do super-wonder how FM is going to handle this. Like, it literally breaks the game. Four teams with literal infinite transfer money and payroll.

Using the editor, the most money you can give your own team in cash is $1.15B, and that's genuinely not enough.

Well, it's all gone a bit... well, you can see over at the Spanish FA.

Rubiales: It was a consensual kiss!

Hermoso: Eh, not so much.

The Entire Spain Women's National Football Team: F**k that guy.

Actually, listening to what Rubiales said, I think Guillem Balague has it right:

Knowing that he only has a couple of newscasts left and that we were all listening, Rubiales has started his political career right under our noses

Truly incredible to see the Spanish FA manage to turn what should be a historic triumph into an international moment of shame and shamelessness. Ostracized 15 players, managed to win the WC, and went "Nah, we can go bigger."

They won the World Cup five days ago and as of this moment, do not have a Women's National Team.

Fedaykin98 wrote:
Sorbicol wrote:

In a move I’m actually surprised by, Mac Allister’s red card has been rescinded - fully rescinded, not even just downgraded to a yellow.

I’m not quite as frothing at the mouth as some, but I do think the standard of referring in the Premier League right is actively ‘not good’. There needs to be a sensible debate on this on how to best help the refs and improved the standard across the board.

Yes, I know compared to other leagues it’s still pretty good, but that doesn’t mean it’s actually OK.

The on-field decisions are okay. Their implementation of VAR is abhorrent. There's no excuse for it. It can best be described as prioritizing making the center ref look good, rather than, you know, getting the calls right.

I've said this recently, but video replay is a great tool. No one in the US dislikes its use in our big three sports. EPL choosing to emphasize something other than "get as many calls right as is practical" is insane. Fire everyone involved and start over if you have to.

Boy, did I time this post well!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...

If anyone hasn't seen the story yet, Mike Dean has LITERALLY admitted to intentionally getting VAR calls wrong in order to spare the ref's feelings. Amazing.

It seems obvious that the refereeing culture in England, and possibly Europe, is just broken. On the one hand I wonder if things would improve if they paid them more, but NFL refs aren't even full-time professionals and seem to have a much healthier culture.

By the way, the missed call he admitted to was so hilarious and egregious that Tottenham fans immortalized it with a t-shirt, even though a Spurs player committed it:

https://digitalspurs.com/products/cr...

Obviously Rubiales will be ousted one way or another, but what a sad disaster for the Spanish Women that the week after their triumph is spent focused on this instead of on their amazing achievements.

Prederick wrote:

Rubiales: It was a consensual kiss!

Hermoso: Eh, not so much.

@tsf_podcast wrote:

Very serious allegations. Hermoso says Rubiales' version is "categorically false," repeats that the kiss wasn't consensual, after thinking about it she felt "vulnerable" and victim of an "impulsive, sexist act," and says the RFEF put pressure on her to exonerate Rubiales.

One good gag out of this, everyone pray for poor Pablo Zabaleta if he goes on holiday in Spain:

IMAGE(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4aNEFfWcAEByj-?format=jpg&name=small)

Also, as many have pointed out, it's telling (and disappointing) that so many active male players spoke out after the Mendy trial... but with this, it's been Isco, Borja Iglesias, Héctor Bellerín, and that's it.

EDIT: And Sergi Roberto and Aitor Rubial. But no male players from Barca or RM, whose players made up the vast majority of the squad.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Boy, did I time this post well!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...

If anyone hasn't seen the story yet, Mike Dean has LITERALLY admitted to intentionally getting VAR calls wrong in order to spare the ref's feelings. Amazing.

It seems obvious that the refereeing culture in England, and possibly Europe, is just broken. On the one hand I wonder if things would improve if they paid them more, but NFL refs aren't even full-time professionals and seem to have a much healthier culture.

I highly recommend you give this a listen from The Guardian earlier this year:

The Impossible job: Inside the world of Premier League Referees

Essentially, the EPL refs are a bunch of slightly better trained than normal amateurs that somehow find themselves the arbitrators of one of the most successful sports leagues in world history. Even when they are trying to garner sympathy, they inevitable screw it up.

Insane. The RFEF (Spanish FA) is tripling down.

This is some of the most unbelievable gaslighting you'll ever see. If it was a TV show, you'd rightfully call the writing ridiculous. They gotta raze the whole f*cking thing.

EDIT: They say they're going to take legal action against Futpro Union. This is just beyond.

Prederick wrote:

Also, as many have pointed out, it's telling (and disappointing) that so many active male players spoke out after the Mendy trial... but with this, it's been Isco, Borja Iglesias, Héctor Bellerín, and that's it.

EDIT: And Sergi Roberto and Aitor Rubial. But no male players from Barca or RM, whose players made up the vast majority of the squad.

Add Aurelien Tchouameni and Raúl García.

Prederick wrote:

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I didn't think of this until after the Mane signing, but it's actually another advantage the Saudis have. I'm pretty sure a decent number of the players they've signed are Muslim, and moving to not just a Muslim country, but arguably the Muslim country probably doesn't hurt as an advertising pitch.

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Hope Iran isn't reading this.

FIFA has announced the suspension of Rubiales from all football activity for 90 days pending disciplinary procedures.

If you make FIFA look like the good guys it's time for some self-reflection.

Mr Bismarck wrote:

FIFA has announced the suspension of Rubiales from all football activity for 90 days pending disciplinary procedures.

If you make FIFA look like the good guys it's time for some self-reflection.

Today... I feel like taking the easiest PR win I'll ever get.

Spain's entire WNT coaching staff resign, except for Manager Jorge Vilda.

What a turd in the punch bowl of their World Cup win.

Welp.

Congrats Pred.

Pahlinha to Saudia Arabia I guess.

It should bother people that so many men are still unbothered by what happened.

Rat Boy wrote:

It should bother people that so many men are still unbothered by what happened.

Well, at least Sevilla and Cadiz seem to have gotten the message. Although "We're all Jenni" is very "misguided but he's got the spirit."

The Men's team coach, who was seen vigorously applauding Rubiales, has released a belated statement that he definitely means.

Meanwhile...

@tsf_podcast wrote:

Spain women's coach Jorge Vilda has, finally, released a statement to news agencies this evening. Describes Luis Rubiales' behaviour as "inappropriate" and "unacceptable" saying he "condemns any sexist attitudes." But doesn't mention Jenni Hermoso. And he doesn't resign.

Also, Everton. Oy.

jowner wrote:

I have no idea wtf the US open Cup is and or how Messi still hasn't actually played an MLS game yet. I think that's accurate.

He played his first league match tonight in New Jersey against RBNY.

He actually started on the bench and entered at 60', so was held to only one goal.

That pass though.

If he keeps playing like this one of the big European teams might come in for him.

Prederick wrote:
@tsf_podcast wrote:

Spain women's coach Jorge Vilda has, finally, released a statement to news agencies this evening. Describes Luis Rubiales' behaviour as "inappropriate" and "unacceptable" saying he "condemns any sexist attitudes." But doesn't mention Jenni Hermoso. And he doesn't resign.

Was he part of the whole thing where the players had to keep their doors open at night so men could walk in and check up on them?

Liverpool falling apart at Newcastle. Silly mistake from Alexander-Arnold let Anthony Gordon through on goal, VVD then follows that up with a clumsy challenge that was red because Isak was through.

Liverpools issues from last season not going away. Too many players look either spent or thinking they’re better than they actually are

Darwin Nunez: ‘f*ck you. All of you. And you. You can f*ck off too!’