A place to post and discuss news related to the recent events in Israel, including the Hamas/Islamic Jihad incursion and repercussions.
American-Turkish woman shot dead at anti-settler protest in West Bank
An American-Turkish dual national has been shot dead – reportedly by Israeli troops – while participating in a protest against settler expansion in the occupied West Bank.
Ayşenur Ezgi Eygi, a 26-year-old volunteer with the anti-occupation International Solidarity Movement, died in hospital on Friday after being shot in the head during a protest in Beita, near Nablus, the Palestinian news agency Wafa reported.
Witnesses said she was shot at by Israeli soldiers positioned in a nearby field after “minor clashes” broke out. Troops surrounded a group of people praying, and Palestinians began to throw stones, which the soldiers responded to with teargas and live ammunition.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said they were looking into the report that troops had killed a foreign national while firing at an “instigator of violent activity”.
A paramedic, Fayez Abdul Jabbar, told Al-Quds News Network: “We usually have weekly confrontations at [the area]. During these confrontations [on Friday], the army fired two live bullets: one hit a foreigner, and the other hit another person, whose injury is less severe.” Eygi was treated on the way to hospital, he added. Fouad Nafaa, the head of the Rafidia hospital in Nablus, said doctors tried to resuscitate her, but she died on the operating table.
The US state department was urgently gathering more information about Eygi’s “tragic” death, the spokesperson Matthew Miller said, without immediately assigning responsibility for it. The White House said in a statement it was “deeply disturbed” by the killing and was seeking an Israeli investigation.
I wonder if we'll ever get out of the cuck chair for Bibi.
How a single family was shot dead on a street in Gaza. (Warning: Incredibly graphic.)
Coincidentally today’s episode of It Could Happen Here interviews a New Jersey schoolteacher who was shot and wounded by the IDF last month in the same town in the West Bank as this woman.
Grief over Gaza and qualms over US election add up to anguish for many Palestinian Americans
Demoralized by the Biden administration’s handling of the Israel-Hamas war, Palestinian American Samia Assed found in Vice President Kamala Harris’ ascension — and her running mate pick — “a little ray of hope.”
That hope, she said, shattered during last month’s Democratic National Convention, where a request for a Palestinian American speaker was denied and listening to Harris left her feeling like the Democratic presidential nominee will continue the U.S. policies that have outraged many in the anti-war camp.
“I couldn’t breathe because I felt unseen and erased,” said Assed, a community organizer in New Mexico.
Under different circumstances, Assed would have reveled in the groundbreaking rise of a woman of color as her party’s nominee. Instead, she agonizes over her ballot box options.
For months, many Palestinian Americans have been contending with the double whammy of the rising Palestinian death toll and suffering in Gaza and their own government’s support for Israel in the war. Alongside pro-Palestinian allies, they’ve grieved, organized, lobbied and protested as the killings and destruction unfolded on their screens or touched their own families. Now, they also wrestle with tough, deeply personal voting decisions, including in battleground states.
“It’s a very hard time for Palestinian youth and Palestinian Americans,” Assed said. “There’s a lot of pain.”
Without a meaningful change, voting for Harris would feel for her “like a jab in the heart,” she said. At the same time, Assed, a lifelong Democrat and feminist, would like to help block another Donald Trump presidency and remain engaged with the Democrats “to hold them liable,” she said.
“It’s really a difficult place to be in.”
She’s not alone.
In Georgia, the Gaza bloodshed has been haunting Ghada Elnajjar. She said the war claimed the lives of more than 100 members of her extended family in Gaza, where her parents were born.
She saw missed opportunities at the DNC to connect with voters like her. Besides the rejection of the request for a Palestinian speaker, Elnajjar found a disconnect between U.S. policies and Harris’ assertion that she and President Joe Biden were working to accomplish a cease-fire and hostage deal.
“Without stopping U.S. financial support and military support to Israel, this will not stop,” said Elnajjar who in 2020 campaigned for Biden. “I’m a U.S. citizen. I’m a taxpayer ... and I feel betrayed and neglected.”
She’ll keep looking for policy changes, but, if necessary, remain “uncommitted,” potentially leaving the top of the ticket blank. Harris must earn her vote, she said.
Harris, in her DNC speech, said she and Biden were working to end the war such that “Israel is secure, the hostages are released, the suffering in Gaza ends and the Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom, and self-determination.”
She said she “will always ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself,” while describing the suffering in Gaza as “heartbreaking.”
While her recent rhetoric on Palestinian suffering has been viewed as empathetic by some who had soured on Biden over the war, the lack of a concrete policy shift appears to have increasingly frustrated many of those who want the war to end. Activists demanding a permanent cease-fire have urged an embargo on U.S. weapons to Israel, whose military campaign in Gaza has killed over 40,000 Palestinians, according to Gaza health officials.
The war was sparked by an Oct. 7 attack on Israel in which Hamas-led militants killed some 1,200 people and took about 250 hostages.
Layla Elabed, a Palestinian American and co-director of the Uncommitted National Movement, said the demand for a policy shift remains. Nationally, “uncommitted” has garnered hundreds of thousands of votes in Democratic primaries.
Elabed said Harris and her team have been invited to meet before Sept. 15 with “uncommitted” movement leaders from key swing states and with Palestinian families with relatives killed in Gaza. After that date, she said, “we will need to make the decision if we can actually mobilize our base” to vote for Harris.
Without a policy change, “we can’t do an endorsement,” and will, instead, continue talking about the “dangers” of a Trump presidency, leaving voters to vote their conscience, she added.
Some other anti-war activists are taking it further, advocating for withholding votes from Harris in the absence of a change.
“There’s pressure to punish the Democratic Party,” Elabed said. “Our position is continue taking up space within the Democratic Party,” and push for change from the inside.
Some of the tensions surfaced at an August rally in Michigan when anti-war protesters interrupted Harris. Initially, Harris said everybody’s voice matters. As the shouting continued, with demonstrators chanting that they “won’t vote for genocide,” she took a sharper tone.
“If you want Donald Trump to win, then say that,” she said.
Nada Al-Hanooti, national deputy organizing director with the Muslim American advocacy group Emgage Action, rejects as unfair the argument by some that traditionally Democratic voters who withhold votes from Harris are in effect helping Trump. She said the burden should be on Harris and her party.
“Right now, it’s a struggle being a Palestinian American,” she said. “I don’t want a Trump presidency, but, at the same time, the Democratic Party needs to win our vote.”
Though dismayed that no Palestinian speaker was allowed on the DNC stage, Al-Hanooti said she felt inspired by how “uncommitted” activists made Palestinians part of the conversation at the convention. Activists were given space there to hold a forum discussing the plight of Palestinians in Gaza.
“We in the community still need to continue to push Harris on conditioning aid, on a cease-fire,” she said. “The fight is not over.”
She said she’s never known grief like that she has experienced over the past year. In the girls of Gaza, she sees her late grandmother who, at 10, was displaced from her home during the 1948 war surrounding Israel’s creation and lived in a Syrian refugee camp, dreaming of returning home.
“It just completely tears me apart,” Al-Hanooti said.
She tries to channel her pain into putting pressure on elected officials and encouraging community members to vote, despite encountering what she said was increased apathy, with many feeling that their vote won’t matter. “Our job at Emgage is simply right now to get our Muslim community to vote because our power is in the collective.”
In 2020, Emgage — whose political action committee then endorsed Biden — and other groups worked to maximize Muslim American turnout, especially in battleground states. Muslims make up a small percentage of Americans overall, but activists hope that in states with notable Muslim populations, such as Michigan, energizing more of them makes a difference in close races — and demonstrates the community’s political power.
Some voters want to send a message.
“Our community has given our votes away cheaply,” argued Omar Abuattieh, a pharmacy major at Rutgers University in New Jersey. “Once we can start to understand our votes as a bargaining tool, we’ll have more power.”
For Abuattieh, whose mother was born in Gaza, that means planning to vote third party “to demonstrate the power in numbers of a newly activated community that deserves future consultation.”
A Pew Research Center survey in February found that U.S. Muslims are more sympathetic to the Palestinian people than many other Americans are and that only 6% of Muslim American adults believe the U.S. is striking the right balance between the Israelis and Palestinians. Nearly two-thirds of Muslim registered voters identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party, according to the survey.
But U.S. Muslims, who are racially and ethnically diverse, are not monolithic in their political behavior; some have publicly supported Harris in this election cycle. In 2020, among Muslim voters, 64% supported Biden and 35% supported Trump, according to AP VoteCast.
The Harris campaign said it has appointed two people for Muslim and Arab outreach.
Harris “will continue to meet with leaders from Palestinian, Muslim, Israeli and Jewish communities, as she has throughout her vice presidency,” the campaign said in response to questions, without specifically commenting on the uncommitted movement’s request for a meeting before Sept. 15.
Harris is being scrutinized by those who say the Biden-Harris administration hasn’t done enough to pressure Israel to end the war and by Republicans looking to brand her as insufficient in her support for Israel.
Karoline Leavitt, the Trump campaign’s national press secretary, said Trump “will once again deliver peace through strength to rebuild and expand the peace coalition he built in his first term to create long-term safety and security for both the Israeli and Palestinian people.”
Many Arab and Muslim Americans were angered by Trump’s ban, while in office, that affected travelers from several Muslim-majority countries, which Biden rescinded.
In Michigan, Ali Ramlawi, who owns a restaurant in Ann Arbor, said Harris’ nomination initially gave him relief on various domestic issues, but the DNC left him disappointed on the Palestinian question.
Before the convention, he expected to vote Democratic, but now says he’s considering backing the Green Party for the top of the ticket or leaving that blank.
“Our vote shouldn’t be taken for granted,” he said. “I won’t vote for the lesser of two evils.”
Couple days old, but I am consistently shocked that we are seeing so many migrants from India and China, two nations that, while not perfect, I assumed were okay-ish. Certainly China.
It probably fits more in the migration thread but the situation is pretty dire with the breakdown in globalisation.
If you haven't read up on it, there is a conscious pivot away from international supply chains in an effort to contain the One Belt One Road and similar sovereignty risks associated with a BRICs dominated century.
That has put a lot of pressure on inflation (we're seeing it internationally with interest rate hikes which are only now easing, albeit in the US not even easing yet - I'm citing Canada and New Zealand as examples of rate cuts).
With a push to reduce consumption, both India and China (export oriented economies) are being hammered economically. Thus, it's not unexpected people will seek a better life abroad if the situation domestically is grim.
There are probably more issues here too. Both nations have their own social inequality problems that don't look like they're getting better any time soon.
Ah, you're right, got confused and posted in the wrong thread.
Eh, i'll leave it for now.
Water wet, fire hot...
Israel says ‘highly likely’ its troops killed Turkish-American activist
Israel’s military has said it was highly likely its troops fired the shot that killed Ayşenur Ezgi Eygi, the American-Turkish woman killed at a protest in the occupied West Bank.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said her death was unintentional and expressed deep regret.
The statement came as Antony Blinken, the US secretary of state, called the killing of the 26-year-old last week “unprovoked and unjustified”.
Speaking on a diplomatic visit to London, Blinken told journalists that Eygi’s death showed the Israeli security forces needed to make fundamental changes to their rules of engagement.
“No one should be shot and killed for attending a protest,” he said, in one of his harshest comments to date against the IDF.
Turkish and Palestinian officials said Israeli troops shot Eygi, a volunteer with the activist group International Solidarity Movement (ISM), during a demonstration on Friday against settlement expansion in Beita, a village near Nablus.
On Tuesday, the IDF said commanders had conducted an investigation into the incident.
“The inquiry found that it is highly likely that she was hit indirectly and unintentionally by IDF fire which was not aimed at her, but aimed at the key instigator of the riot,” the military said. “The incident took place during a violent riot in which dozens of Palestinian suspects burned tyres and hurled rocks towards security forces at the Beita junction.
“The IDF expresses its deepest regret over the death of Ayşenur Ezgi Eygi,” it added.
Beita residents gave a different account, saying a group of demonstrators had gathered, as they had every Friday for midday prayers, to protest against Eyvatar, an Israeli settlement on the next hill built on land belonging to Palestinian farmers.
On this occasion, there were about 20 Palestinians from Beita, 10 foreign volunteers from the ISM, including Eygi, and about a dozen children from the district.
“The kids were throwing stones here at the junction, and the soldiers fired teargas at them,” Mahmud Abdullah, a 43-year-old resident said. “Everyone scattered and ran into the olive grove and then there were two shots.”
Neighbours pointed out the spot where Eygi was shot and a house on a ridge where they said the bullet came from.
The owner, Ali Mohali, said soldiers had gone on to his roof, 200 metres from where Eygi was shot. He said he heard one shot, but was not sure if there had been a second shot from that position.
Jonathan Pollak, an Israeli participating in Friday’s protest, said the shooting occurred shortly after clashes broke out, with Palestinians throwing stones and troops firing teargas and live ammunition.
The protesters and activists retreated and clashes subdued, he said. He then watched as two soldiers on the roof of a nearby home trained a gun in the group’s direction and fired. He said he saw Eygi “lying on the ground, next to an olive tree, bleeding to death”.
At the University of Washington, where Eygi recently graduated with a degree in psychology, Aria Fani, a professor of Middle Eastern languages and cultures, said she had been active earlier in the year at a pro-Palestinian encampment.
Fani said he had tried to talk Eygi out of going to the West Bank but that she told him “she needed to bear witness for the sake of her own humanity”.
Human rights groups say Israeli soldiers who kill Palestinians, or their foreign supporters, are rarely held to account. The Israeli military says it investigates and acts if criminal wrongdoing is found.
Israel’s settlements in the occupied West Bank are considered illegal under international law but Israel contests this.
Associated Press, Agence France Press and Reuters contributed reporting
Of course, we'll continue to do absolutely nothing but tut-tut.
Water wet, fire hot...
Israel says ‘highly likely’ its troops killed Turkish-American activist
Hezbollah members wounded in Lebanon when pagers explode
BEIRUT, Sept 17 (Reuters) - More than 1,000 people, including Hezbollah fighters and medics, were wounded on Tuesday when the pagers they use to communicate exploded across Lebanon, security sources told Reuters.
A Hezbollah official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the detonation of the pagers was the "biggest security breach" the group had been subjected to in nearly a year of war with Israel.
Israel and the Iran-backed Hezbollah have been engaged in cross-border warfare since the Gaza conflict erupted last October, the worst such escalation in years.
The Israeli military declined to comment on Reuters enquiries about the detonations.
Iran's Mehr news agency said the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon, Mojtaba Amani, was injured by one of the blasts. Reuters could not immediately confirm the report.
The pagers that detonated were the latest model brought in by Hezbollah in recent months, three security sources said.
What a crazy story.
Was it Israel? Did Mossad sneak explosives into the pagers? How did they distribute them? How long ago? Why detonate them now? Was it planned?
Edit: I’m seeing reports that it may have been the batteries that were somehow overheated to the point that they exploded.
The craziest part is that so many folks are still using pagers.
The craziest part is that so many folks are still using pagers.
I used to regularly have to contact Doctors at my job and almost all of them had pager numbers listed in the hospital directory and many still preferred being paged over being called or texted for some reason.
Maybe they use pagers to avoid wire taps, a la The Wire.
Maybe they use pagers to avoid wire taps, a la The Wire.
I saw reports that it was to avoid being tracked via cellphones.
Obligatory "if literally any other country did this, but especially any Middle Eastern country..."
It's devious as f*ck (and pretty horrible). Enemy is using pagers to hide their communications... let's create an exploding pager and sell it to them so that we can blow it up whenever we choose...
Terrorist states gonna terrorize.
I don’t have problems with an exploding pager per se but ensuring that you have positive confirmation on the legitimacy of your target is way problematic. And it doesn’t look like they were particularly careful about that considering one of the killed was a kid.
This is one step removed from dumping sarin in the water supply.
I don’t have problems with an exploding pager per se but ensuring that you have positive confirmation on the legitimacy of your target is way problematic. And it doesn’t look like they were particularly careful about that considering one of the killed was a kid.
This is one step removed from dumping sarin in the water supply.
Yeah, the sheer number of injured says to me that these pagers were definitely not being used solely by Hezbollah, and Israel figured any civilian cost was worth it anyway.
Which tracks with their Gaza policy.
Russia's more careful than this, frankly.
This pager thing seems extra war crimey.
The whole justification of proportionality in war is out the window with this pager attack. Not that their proportionality argument was acceptable, just saying they can give up the pretense when they're blowing up aid convoys and making thousands of devices into IEDs.
I don’t have problems with an exploding pager per se but ensuring that you have positive confirmation on the legitimacy of your target is way problematic. And it doesn’t look like they were particularly careful about that considering one of the killed was a kid.
This is one step removed from dumping sarin in the water supply.
I'm not sure this is analogous with your sarin scenario.
Hezbollah appears to have placed a bulk order for pagers for its key personnel as an alternative to mobile phones, which appear to have been used as a means to target Hezbollah officials in the very recent past. So, (presumably) Israel has effectively outsourced the targeting of these personnel to Hezbollah itself: the logic presumably being that if Hezbollah issues them with a pager, then Hezbollah considers them important.
Of course, this also puts at risk anyone in the vicinity of the 'target' when the pager explodes, be they family member, friend, colleague or passer-by.
There is now some reporting that the pagers weren't intended to be the primary method of attacking Hezbollah. Rather they were to be a first strike intended to soften up the Hezbollah for a far larger attack by conventional means. But this is all speculation. We will likely never know the truth.
I used to regularly have to contact Doctors at my job and almost all of them had pager numbers listed in the hospital directory and many still preferred being paged over being called or texted for some reason.
NPR's Planet Money podcast took a look at this last year. They looked at a trial of mobile phones, which concluded that - among other things - mobile phones made doctors just a little too easy to reach all the time.
There are many more and much more effective safeguards used when issuing a drone strike than this pager terror bombing.
Well, I agree with the sentiment, but remember, Jane's assessed Hezbollah's fighting forces at 20K active and 20K reservists... In 2017. There are more now, I'm sure. So the assumption is that anyone who had one, got it from a Hezbollah member, and since it was for their organizational communications, that should have limited it to a very few outsiders. Looks like less than 10% of Hezbollah were deemed critical enough to use these devices. My guess is that a large percentage of their mid-rank leadership are injured right now. I expected some kind of follow-up and I'm puzzled at the lack. (Which does not speak well of Netanyahu's motives in this.)
Of course the Iranian ambassador carrying one on his person is extremely telling.
Yes, my understanding has always been that Hezbollah is very large military force. It basically controls Southern Lebanon, and effectively has a de facto veto in military matters over the Lebanese government. I suspect you're right about the impact on middle-ranking officials.
The reporting on the BBC - which was itself talking about reporting elsewhere - suggested that Hezbollah had become suspicious about the pagers in recent days. If true - and that's a big 'if' that we'll probably never have confirmed - then this might have spurred the detonation of the devices less they be neutralised.
I'm not sure that the injuries to the Iranian representative tell us much that we didn't already know about the links between that state and Hezbollah. Also, has it been confirmed that it was his pager, and not just one carried by one of his aides or by someone he was meeting?
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