NFL 2023: The preseason / predraft thread

*Legion* wrote:

Making him the highest paid right tackle in the league? Paying him only $3m/yr less than Trent Williams? Absolutely nuts.

What would it have cost to keep Orlando Brown? It couldn't be much more than that, and Brown is a significantly better player.

Making things even crazier: the Chiefs plan to move Taylor to left tackle. So he's not going to be the highest paid right tackle, but the 4th highest paid left tackle instead.

Granted, they did the same kind of move with Brown, and Brown was able to play well there, but Brown played left side in college, and he also was a higher caliber of tackle before the switch. Taylor played all of 2 games on the left side in college, and the Jags never saw him as a left side option.

Maybe it works out for KC, but there's not a lot of room for error. They're paying Taylor like he's Ronnie Stanley, and he's never been that guy even on the right side.

PFF does like the move better than I do, if that makes KC fans feel better. They point out how he never misses time and how he's just 25, both of which are true. So I guess they're gambling that they're catching an ascending player, but they're paying an awful lot for a major projection.

Me after checking Twitter and seeing the latest BEARDED DARNOLD news:

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If Mayfield ends up in Tampa, I'll be the happiest son of a gun in this thread.

Shanahan: "We need someone better than Josh Johnson for QB3"

Lynch: "How much better?"

Shanahan: "I mean, don't go crazy or anything."

Lynch: "Say less bro."

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49ers trying to emulate those legendary Carolina offenses of the last few years.

Are you sure you didn't want Hoyer?

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

49ers trying to emulate those legendary Carolina offenses of the last few years.

Lynch: "Hey Christian, we're adding one of your old teammates to our offense. You'll never guess who!"

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

49ers trying to emulate those legendary Carolina offenses of the last few years.

Lynch: "Hey Christian, we're adding one of your old teammates to our offense. You'll never guess who!"

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MilkmanDanimal wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

49ers trying to emulate those legendary Carolina offenses of the last few years.

Lynch: "Hey Christian, we're adding one of your old teammates to our offense. You'll never guess who!"

"please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker please don't be baker "

Weirdly enough, CMC was reportedly the big reason why the Panthers' former HC held that sham QB competition between Mayfield and Darnold last offseason. CMC was Team Darnold and had to be convinced that his boy got a fair shake.

In hindsight, CMC backed the right horse. Mayfield was awful until he got to LA, and Darnold at the end of the season cosplayed as a reasonably competent QB for five games (out of six).

Enix wrote:

and Darnold at the end of the season cosplayed as a reasonably competent QB for five games (out of six).

Darnold was definitely better last year (in that highly limited sample size) than he has been at any other point in his career, posting a 92.6 passer rating, and his highest TD% (5.0) and lowest INT% (2.1) of his career.

Going into this offseason, I expected them to spend a little more money on a veteran backup QB, but I didn't expect them to go landing one of free agency's big fish in Hargrave. That move definitely took getting an ~$8m backup QB like Jacoby Brissett (or, it turns out, Mike White) off the table.

I expect Sammy D signed in the $2.5-3.5m/yr range. A little bit above the $2.25m that the Jags gave BEAT HARD, and roughly on par with the $3.12m/yr the Texans just gave Case Keenum. The fact that the announcement hasn't included the value suggests it's not an impressive number that exceeds expectation.

So there's an account on the Jets subreddit who is supposedly an insider, who correctly leaked a ton of accurate information over the last week, including:

- Darnold to SF
- McGlinchey to the Broncos
- Ethan Pocic re-signing with Cleveland (he was expected to walk)
- Greg Zeurlein re-signing with the Jets
- Jets placing a 2nd round tender on Bryce Huff

Basically, a lot of specifics before any of them became public knowledge. No misses.

Anyway, this account is claiming the Jets trade for Aaron Rodgers is agreed upon. So, we'll see.

What this account said about Rodgers a few days ago:

I’ll say everything I know:

Rodgers was leaning retirement. The only thing that made him think otherwise was the hiring of Hackett. From that point on, he was between the Jets and retirement - no prospect to resigning in Green Bay. Yesterday is when he decided he wanted to play for the Jets and all that’s going on right now is the compensation negotiation.

I suppose things can always change, especially with such a capricious player, but in my mind it’s a done deal. This is a bit different from what’s being reported nationally but I think a lot of them are echo chambering hard right now.

YOU COULDN'T WAIT UNTIL I PUT THE DAMN PICTURE ON MY WALL?!

Jameis staying in New Orleans on a 1-yr deal worth "up to" $8m, in one of the rare contract restructures that is a true pay cut.

Jets are working on a deal for the Alien Lizard (Allen Lazard).

Well that's interesting.

jowner wrote:

Jets are working on a deal for the Alien Lizard (Allen Lazard).

Well that's interesting.

If they sign Randall Cobb, then you know the deal is done.

EDIT: They're already talking about bringing in Cobb too.

I think my Jordan Love dynasty pick is finally going to be worth something.

The Chargers have granted Austin Ekeler permission to seek a trade.

Seahawks sign DE Dre'Mont Jones. An annoyingly good pickup for them. He provides way more pass rush than the scrubs they're letting walk (I'll miss you, L.J. Collier).

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Marcedes Lewis hasn't broken 25 receptions since 2012, so definitely a guy you want to prioritize as part of your life journey, Qaaron. Yes, Lewis is more of a blocking TE, but, just maybe, a blocking TE who was drafted in 2006 isn't really something to base your career decisions around?

Aaron Rodgers right now:

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Dude is just trolling at this point.

Pretty sure at this rate, Pat McAfee will be getting a call to be a back-up punter for the J-E-T-S!

Legit question.. what does granting a player to "seek a trade" even mean?

Just the ability to work out for other teams? I'm assuming the player has little to no agency in deciding what is actually able to be offered for a trade.

Does he just walk up to another team and say "hey team.. do you want to trade this, that and the other thing for me"?

Carlbear95 wrote:

Legit question.. what does granting a player to "seek a trade even" mean?

Just the ability to work out for other teams? I'm assuming the player has little to no agency in deciding what is actually able to be offered for the trade.

Does he just walk up to another team and say "hey team.. do you want to trade this, that and the other thing for me"?

I assume it means that they won't invoke tampering remedies.

Carlbear95 wrote:

Legit question.. what does granting a player to "seek a trade" even mean?

It means the player (and his representation) is allowed to talk to other franchises about the possibility of trading for the player.

Carlbear95 wrote:

Just the ability to work out for other teams? I'm assuming the player has little to no agency in deciding what is actually able to be offered for a trade

It's not a question of the trade terms between the two teams. It's a question of the contract extension the buying team would then offer the player. Because if a team trades for Ekeler and doesn't offer a contract extension that Ekeler likes, then the situation has not changed. Ekeler's just unhappy with a different team now.

Any team interested in trading for Ekeler needs to have the rough terms of a contract extension agreed upon with Ekeler before they would execute that trade. And talking contract terms requires Ekeler receiving permission from the team that currently owns his rights, or else it would be a tampering violation. Hence, the "permission to seek a trade".

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Yes, Lewis is more of a blocking TE, but, just maybe, a blocking TE who was drafted in 2006 isn't really something to base your career decisions around?

To be fair to Marcedes, he's still really good at blocking. He's one of only 3 tight ends last year that PFF graded 65+ in both pass and run blocking. He's old, but he still one of the best blocking TEs in the league.

*Legion* wrote:

It's not a question of the trade terms between the two teams. It's a question of the contract extension the buying team would then offer the player. Because if a team trades for Ekeler and doesn't offer a contract extension that Ekeler likes, then the situation has not changed. Ekeler's just unhappy with a different team now.

Any team interested in trading for Ekeler needs to have the rough terms of a contract extension agreed upon with Ekeler before they would execute that trade. And talking contract terms requires Ekeler receiving permission from the team that currently owns his rights, or else it would be a tampering violation. Hence, the "permission to seek a trade".

All makes sense, still seems like a misnomer... like if the Ekeler's agenct goes and gets the Chiefs to offer a gazillion guaranteed dollars for 10 years.. I have a hard time believing the Chargers are going to Ekeler to an in division rival.

If the Chargers don't want a disgruntled RB1, and they can't or are unwilling to tag him, aren't they looking to trade him anyways? Who cares if Ekeler likes/wants the contract? If the Carolina Panthers want to offer their next 6 first round draft picks, for Ekeler wouldn't the Chargers take that offer regardless if that team has worked out a contract?

I get I don't understand how contracts and cap work, so I'm sure i'm just missing something obvious.

Carlbear95 wrote:

All makes sense, still seems like a misnomer... like if the Ekeler's agenct goes and gets the Chiefs to offer a gazillion guaranteed dollars for 10 years.. I have a hard time believing the Chargers are going to Ekeler to an in division rival.

They probably won't. They've likely given him the parameters of what teams he can (or can't) go talk to.

Usually that's something like, "we're not trading you within the division, go talk to anyone else".

Who cares if Ekeler likes/wants the contract?

The team giving up something to trade for him.

If the Carolina Panthers want to offer their next 6 first round draft picks, for Ekeler wouldn't the Chargers take that offer regardless if that team has worked out a contract?

No team is going to offer anything for Ekeler without having a contract extension agreement with him already agreed upon. Why would a team trade away good draft picks just for Ekeler to walk in free agency a year from now?

A team trading for Ekeler is going to want him for more than one year. That means negotiating a contract extension. But what if negotiations go bad, or Ekeler wants more than they're willing to give? Hence the need to negotiate before a trade, but you can't talk contracts with a player who is under contract with someone else - at least, not without permission from the player's existing team. Hence the need for Ekeler's current team to grant him that permission.

Giants swing a big trade for TE Darren Waller.

I mean, if you're gonna pay $40m/yr for Daniel Tenpenny, you should surround him with the best targets you can get your hands on.

Their WR pool still needs help badly, but free agency doesn't have much to offer there. Adding Waller reduces the pressure on the WR group. We can probably expect to see a lot of Waller/Bellinger 2TE looks.

I don't get the move for the Raiders though. You get Jimmy Garoppolo, who had a lot of success targeting Kittle. Waller would have stepped into that role nicely. Granted, they're still pretty decently off in targets, especially after signing Jakobi Meyers to join Davante Adams and Hunter Renfrow. Renfrow probably will eat up those middle-of-the-field targets Kittle feasted on. But it still feels like keeping Waller was worth more than the 3rd round pick they got in exchange.

Jets signed Lazard. 4 years, $44m, $22m guaranteed.

Are the Raiders using Jimmy G to bottom out!?

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Are the Raiders using Jimmy G to bottom out!?

I don't think so. McDaniels needs to show some progress. His seat got warm last year. He needs to justify his existence as a head coach, which he failed to do in Denver and he didn't do last season.

Darren Waller has been rumored to be headed out of Vegas since at least last season. This move might be about more than the on-field part. Feels like some disconnect may have come to be between Waller and the team.