NFL 2022: The Week 9 thread

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I'm here not to bury running backs but to praise them:

CMC, Niners: The former Panthers' star seems to have solved all of the Niners' issues at RB, WR *and* QB. On Sunday, he became just the fourth player since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger to score via run, catch and pass. The other three: RB LaDainian Tomlinson (Chargers) in 2005, WR David Patten (Patriots) in 2001 and RB Walter Payton (Bears) in 1979.

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His Week 8 numbers: 18 carries for 94 yards and a TD; eight catches for 55 yards and a TD; 1 for 1 passing for 34 yards and a TD. CMC is the first player in the Super Bowl era to have 30+ passing / rushing / receiving yards in the same game.

Even better, CMC's TD pass was only the third Niners TD pass since 2020 that covered 30+ air yards. The other two such passes were thrown by Trey Lance and C.J. Beathard.

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Derrick Henry, Titans: 32 carries, 219 yards (6.8 per carry) and 2 TDs against the Division III Texans. That's the first 200-yard rushing performance of the season and Henry's sixth career game with 200+ rushing hards and 2+ rushing TDs. Here's what that career games of 200+/2+ looks like since 1950:

Derrick Henry (6)
Derrick Henry vs Texans (4)
LaDainian Tomlinson (3)
Barry Sanders (3)
Jim Brown (3)

He's also tied with OJ Simpson and Adrian Peterson for most career 200-yard rushing games.

Henry also gets an apology from Football Outsiders. Here are highlights if you haven't seen them. Derrick Henry is a large and fast man.

The Cowboys' two-headed run monster: Tony Pollard (mostly Pollard) and Zeke Elliott combined for 19 carries, 165 yards and 4 TDs. Pollard (14-131-1) average a ridiculous 9.4 yards per carry against the Bears.

D'Onta Foreman, Panthers: 26 for 118 and 3 TDs. Almost makes me not miss CMC.

Latavius Murray, Broncos: Not a great game (14 for 46, 1 TD) against the Jags but a historic one, as he became the first person in human history to score TDs for two different NFL teams in London in the same season. In Week 4, he scored a rushing TD for the Saints. Four weeks later, he scores a rushing TD for the Broncos. The queen is dead; long live King Latavius I.

The seven guys who ran for 100+ yards this week: Derrick Henry, Travis Etienne Jr. (Jags; 156 yards and a 6.5 yard average), Aaron Jones (Packers; 143 yards, 7.2 average), Pollard, Foreman, Dalvin Cook (Vikings) and Nick Chubb (Browns).

For a little context, there were seven 100+ yard rushers in Week 7 and nine in both Weeks 4 and 5, so Week 8 doesn't really stand out from the cheap seats. But it's fun to see big dudes rip off some big runs. More, please!

POWER RANKINGS

From ESPN this week:

Your top 5: Bills, the undefeated Iggles, Chiefs, Howboutdemcowboys, Vikings

Your basement 5: Panthers, Jags, Steelers, Lions, Texans

Biggest movers: Seahawks (8th), Niners (9th) and Saints (21st) all gained five spots; Giants lost 7 and fell to 11th

IF THE PLAYOFFS STARTED TODAY

It would look like this (seeds 1-7):

AFC: Bills, Titans, Chiefs, Ravens, Jets, Dolphins, Chargers

NFC: Eagles, Vikings, Seahawks, Falcons, Cowboys, Giants, Niners

538's current Super Bowl predictions: Bills have a 27% chance to win it, followed by the Eagles (17%), Chiefs (14%) and Cowboys (12%). Twenty teams have less than a 1% chance at this point. BETTER LUCK NEXT YEAR Y'ALL!

AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

Here's a video of Jared Allen riding to his Vikings' Ring of Honor ceremony on a horse:

Week 8 was kinda weird and wild, you know.

WEEK 9 SCHEDULE

Another underwhelming week that will undoubtedly amaze and surprise in unexpected ways:

Thursday: Eagles-Texans (Prime)

Sunday early: Chargers-Falcons, Dolphins-Bears, Panthers-Bengals (CAT BOWL), Packers-Lions, Raiders-Jaguars, Colts-Patriots, Bills-Jets*, Vikings-Commanders

Sunday late: Seahawks-Cardinals (BIRD BOWL), Rams-Bucs (national GOTW but why??!!)

Sunday night: Titans-Chiefs* (NBC)

Monday: Ravens-Saints (ESPN, plus ManningCast)

Byes: Browns, Cowboys, Broncos, Giants, Steelers, Niners

Coverage maps are here. Note that most of the known world will get Bills-Jets at 1p Sunday. Also note that Alabama (bc Tua, I guess) will get the Dolphins game early.

* matchups between two teams with winning records

SEE YA!

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Hey I don't have to watch any games on Sunday. Ravens Monday, Niners bye.

No wonder Dan Snyder is selling:

The U.S. attorney's office in the Eastern District of Virginia has opened a criminal investigation into allegations that the Washington Commanders engaged in financial improprieties, two sources familiar with the matter confirmed to ESPN on Wednesday. ...

The House committee said in its letter to the FTC that it had found evidence of deceptive business practices over the span of more than a decade, including withholding ticket revenue from visiting teams and refundable deposits from fans. The committee outlined, through the testimony of former employees and access to emails and documents, a pattern of financial impropriety by owner Dan Snyder and team executives. At one point in 2016, the team retained up to $5 million from 2,000 season-ticket holders while also concealing sharable revenue from the league, according to the committee.

One former employee testified before Congress, saying the team had two separate financial books: one with underreported ticket revenue that went to the NFL and the full, complete picture. According to testimony, Snyder was aware of the numbers shared with the league while also being privy to the actual data. The business practice was known as "juice" inside Washington's front office.

According to other testimony, financial misconduct included making it intentionally difficult for season-ticket holders to recoup refundable deposit money, counting some of those leftover funds as a different kind of revenue that doesn't need to be shared with the league and shifting money from ticket sales for NFL games to other events at FedEx Field as a way of hiding that money from the league. The committee in the letter shared spreadsheet data showing evidence of deposits that were not returned. Citing emails and the testimony of Jason Friedman, a longtime vice president of sales and customer service, the letter said ticket sales from Washington games were shifted to a 2013 Kenny Chesney concert and a 2014 Navy-Notre Dame college football game as a way to "juice" revenue and keep it off the books shared with the NFL.

It's apparently the same stuff that the AGs in VA and DC are looking into. The story doesn't say what it means for the feds to get involved or what criminal statutes might have been violated.

Some obvious NFC South bias going on here by not mentioning the dominating season Leonard Fournette is having. 112 attempts and 386 yards, for a monstrous 3.4 yards per carry, plus can't forget those two TDs. If you want to get fancy, he has -38 DYAR, ranking him 36th out of 37 RBs, and -16.1% DVOA, #33 out of 37.

Uh, you want to be low in those, right?

Brady and the passing game have been mostly decent; the running game and particularly the defense have been just damn awful.

Enix wrote:

No wonder Dan Snyder is selling:

The U.S. attorney's office in the Eastern District of Virginia has opened a criminal investigation into allegations that the Washington Commanders engaged in financial improprieties, two sources familiar with the matter confirmed to ESPN on Wednesday. ...

The House committee said in its letter to the FTC that it had found evidence of deceptive business practices over the span of more than a decade, including withholding ticket revenue from visiting teams and refundable deposits from fans. The committee outlined, through the testimony of former employees and access to emails and documents, a pattern of financial impropriety by owner Dan Snyder and team executives. At one point in 2016, the team retained up to $5 million from 2,000 season-ticket holders while also concealing sharable revenue from the league, according to the committee.

One former employee testified before Congress, saying the team had two separate financial books: one with underreported ticket revenue that went to the NFL and the full, complete picture. According to testimony, Snyder was aware of the numbers shared with the league while also being privy to the actual data. The business practice was known as "juice" inside Washington's front office.

According to other testimony, financial misconduct included making it intentionally difficult for season-ticket holders to recoup refundable deposit money, counting some of those leftover funds as a different kind of revenue that doesn't need to be shared with the league and shifting money from ticket sales for NFL games to other events at FedEx Field as a way of hiding that money from the league. The committee in the letter shared spreadsheet data showing evidence of deposits that were not returned. Citing emails and the testimony of Jason Friedman, a longtime vice president of sales and customer service, the letter said ticket sales from Washington games were shifted to a 2013 Kenny Chesney concert and a 2014 Navy-Notre Dame college football game as a way to "juice" revenue and keep it off the books shared with the NFL.

It's apparently the same stuff that the AGs in VA and DC are looking into. The story doesn't say what it means for the feds to get involved or what criminal statutes might have been violated.

Does anyone else constantly confuse Dan Snyder and the Papa John’s guy? I dunno why, but they occupy the same place in my brain.

Oh Danny Boy, the cops, the cops are callin'.

Yeah. Kidnapping and pimping cheerleaders is bad, but stealing from billionaires will get you in trouble.

"NFC South QB Drive: Bring your new or slightly used QBs to help those in need."

You really have to watch Gridiron Heights 2-3 times just to read the background text.

Since I went all-in on the trade deadline this year, here's my "grades" for the deals:

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Deion Jones to Browns
2024 6th round pick to Falcons

Formerly good linebacker who was bad last year and injured this year. Rental player who they could conceivably re-sign if he returns and plays more like his old self, but odds are he's just a rental for a team that's 3-5. Falcons get a 6th for an injured player that's entering free agency in the offseason.

Browns: Meh
Falcons: Not bad

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Calvin Ridley to the Jaguars
6th (up to 5th) and conditional 2024 4th (up to 3rd or 2nd)

Ascending player taking an unfair season-long timeout. Jags are desperate to find a good receiver after - surprise! - paying Kirk and Zay Jones WR1 and WR2 money doesn't change them into WR1 or WR2 caliber players. Costs the Jags only a 6th or 5th in the worst-case scenarios (not reinstated, or reinstated but does not make Jags roster). Conditions ensure the trade cost to the Jags will be worth however much or little they get out. Falcons again get at least a little something in return for a player they didn't intend to retain, with a chance to score the kind of trade value they couldn't otherwise get in this situation

Jaguars: Very Nice
Falcons: Nice

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Roquan Smith to the Ravens
2nd and 5th round picks and AJ Klein to Bears

Hard to gauge. If he's a long-term Raven, he would be worth it. If he leaves in the offseason but signs a big enough deal to net the Ravens a 3rd round compensatory pick, then it would be a somewhat pricey but not awful rental. If he leaves but he doesn't sign a deal worthy of a top compensatory pick (injury, poor play hurting his market value) or if the Ravens hit up free agency and cancel out the comp pick, then it would be a very costly rental. For the Bears, getting a 2nd (plus extras) to give up only half a season of a guy who they weren't going to retain is a score.

Bears: Very Nice
Ravens: Iffy

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Christian McCaffrey to the 49ers
2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 2024 5th to the Panthers

I always emphasize that trades are not for *players*, they are for *contracts*. And in CMC's case, that contract has 3.5 years left on it, which is… unusual for a player of this caliber in a midseason move. Niners get him at $12m/yr for the next 3 seasons instead of the $18m/yr Carolina signed him for. Good move for Carolina to eat that dead money now when they suck, and get more ammo for the rebuild, but it never feels good for a bad roster to get rid of an elite player.

49ers: Very Nice
Panthers: Nice

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Robert Quinn to the Eagles
4th round pick to the Bears
($7m of salary retained by Bears)

Quinn had 11.5 sacks in 2019, only 2.0 in 2020, 18.5 in 2021, and only 1.0 in 8 games this year. He can provide pressure even when not generating sacks, but that finishing ability is inconsistent. For an undefeated team trying to make a run, he's a sensible rental. As for the Bears' return, while you can't directly compare Quinn to the much younger (and more steady sack-producing) Bradley Chubb, the price difference is staggering, especially when you factor in Chicago also keeping an extra $7m on their cap. At minimum, they should have been able to get another mid-late round pick out of the deal.

Eagles: Not bad
Bears: Meh

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Nyheim Hines to the Bills
Conditional 6th and Zach Moss to the Colts

Buffalo wanted a pass-catching back, and after falling short in the CMC bidding, they get a poor man's CMC for a lot cheaper. Hines is under contract for 2.5 more seasons, so he's no rental. As the 12th highest paid RB by AAV, his salary outpaces his production, but he has the potential to be more productive in a better environment than Indy. In return Indy gets a late pick and a RB that immediately plugs the hole Hines would have left on the depth chart. Still feels a bit thin of a return for Hines.

Bills: Not bad
Colts: Meh

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Chase Claypool to the Bears
2nd round pick to the Steelers

Justin Fields needed a legitimate target, and Claypool is inconsistent but immediately upgrades Chicago's WR group, and has 1.5 years left on his deal. The Steelers were looking to move on Claypool and got a great return. It's a bit steep of a price given how early that 2nd round pick might be, but there's something to be said for trying not to waste another half a season of Justin Fields' development by waiting for next draft before doing something at WR.

Bears: Not bad
Steelers: Very Nice

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Bradley Chubb and a 2025 5th to the Dolphins
1st, 2024 4th, and Chase Edmonds to the Broncos

After an awful 2021, Chubb has bounced back with a solid half-season so far. Chubb has never quite lived up to the rookie version of himself, but when he's on the field, he's a good second-tier edge rusher. Miami went big here though, with trade compensation and a new contract extension that acts like Chubb is in the Bosa/Garrett tier, and not the Lawson/Dupree tier that his production has been in to this point. It's an aggressive move for a team that believes they're just now entering their window. For Denver, it's a great score for dumping an expiring contract.

Dolphins: Iffy
Broncos: Very Nice

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T.J. Hockenson to the Vikings
2nd and a 2024 3rd to the Lions

Intra-division trade! Hockenson is firmly entrenched in that second tier, "bottom of the top 10" tight end class. He's been productive whenever he's on the field. There's a sharp drop-off at the TE position once you get past those top 10 or so, and acquiring Hockenson puts Minnesota solidly among the "haves", in a way Irv Smith could not consistently. The Lions get a couple good draft picks, but they give up a guy that's 25 years old and could have been a piece to continue the rebuild around.

Vikings: Nice
Lions: Meh

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James Robinson to the Jets
Conditional 6th (up to a 5th) to the Jaguars

Robinson was always underappreciated, since entering the league as an undrafted free agent. He has a 4.5 career yards-per-carry average on 490 attempts. He doesn't have high-end explosion, but he is an ideal time-share RB1A or RB2. He will almost certainly hit the mark that pushes the trade up to a 5th. Robinson will be an RFA next year, so the Jets will be able to keep him relatively easy for at least one more year, and with Michael Carter disappointing, Robinson may emerge this season as the RB2 to pair with Breece Hall when Hall returns next year. Jacksonville prefers more versatile backs, so I get moving Robinson, but the return here wasn't enough.

Jets: Nice
Jaguars: Meh

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Jacob Martin to the Broncos
2024 4th round pick to the Jets

With Bradley Chubb gone, the Broncos will fill the void with a rotation of pass rushers, and add a good rotational guy in Martin at a low cost. Martin's PFF Pass Rush Productivity metric last season tied for 17th best in the league. He's not an every-down guy, but a good guy to have go all-out on 20 snaps a game. The Jets wanted to clear room so Bryce Huff could take those snaps, whose Pass Rush Productivity has been even better than Martin's. Sensible move for both sides.

Broncos: Nice
Jets: Nice

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Kadarius "Yung Joka" Toney to Chiefs
Conditional 4th (up to a 3rd) and a 6th round pick to Giants

Giants get out of a terrible draft pick and at least get 40 cents on the dollar. It's a boom-or-bust move for the Chiefs, with the odds being way more in favor of "bust", but we do have to acknowledge Toney's speed could do amazing things in KC if all of the broken pieces of the Toney puzzle somehow fall into place. But imagine if KC had scooped the Jags and used this capital to lock down Calvin Ridley instead. Might not have helped in 2022, but odds are, neither will Toney.

Giants: Nice
Chiefs: Iffy

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Jeff Wilson to the Dolphins
5th round pick to the 49ers

Acquiring McCaffrey plus the returns of Elijah Mitchell and Tyrion Davis-Price from injury created a logjam at RB for the 49ers. Dolphins replace the departing Chase Edmonds with a guy much more suited and familiar with McDaniel's offense. The 5th round pick is on par or better than what backs like Robinson and Hines fetched, so the price might be a little high, but there's no doubts about how Wilson will slot into the Dolphins offense. Niners get a surprisingly high return and a pick that helps offset the cost of McCaffrey. Niners now have a projected 9 (!) draft picks in April despite having traded away their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks.

Dolphins: Nice
49ers: Nice

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William Jackson III and conditional 2025 7th to the Steelers
Conditional 2025 6th to the Commanders

For Washington, this is purely a cap dump move, with a token return in boosted trade value 3 drafts from now. Better than nothing, but only barely. For the Steelers, it's a gamble that Jackson will elevate his play back to a previous higher tier. Pittsburgh has wanted this guy since he was drafted, so they finally get him. The traded pick is a "whatever", but Jackson has to take a big step up to be worth the cap space.

Commanders: Not bad
Steelers: Iffy

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Robb(y|ie) Anderson to the Cardinals
2024 6th and 2025 7th to the Panthers

Another cap dump move, but Carolina gets two full picks instead of a mere pick swap like Washington. The picks are a little lower than you would otherwise expect for a WR with Anderson's resume, but given the circumstances, it was better than expected. This was a desperation move by Arizona, and the likely outcome seems to be a disappointing 2022 followed by a release before a 2023 season where Anderson would become much more pricey. There's a chance Anderson does something in Arizona, but it hasn't materialized in 2 games so far.

Cardinals: Bleh
Panthers: Nice

I'm not sure what the Cardinals are thinking with Robbie.

In two games he has four targets and no catches. Last week against the Vikings, he was in for only seven plays.

Hopkins and Moore were in on every play, and Green and Dortch are splitting the WR3 reps.

Meanwhile, Terrace Marshall Jr is getting Robbie's snaps for the Panthers, and it turns out he can actually play some ball: 6 catches (on 12 targets) for 118 yards. Yet another indictment of the former HC's inability to evaluate players.

Enix wrote:

Meanwhile, Terrace Marshall Jr is getting Robbie's snaps for the Panthers, and it turns out he can actually play some ball: 6 catches (on 12 targets) for 118 yards. Yet another indictment of the former HC's inability to evaluate players.

I liked Marshall in the draft. I thought he had a bit of DJ Chark in him. And to quote myself from the 2021 draft thread: "it might not all be there in year 1". And it wasn't, pretty much just as badly as it was for Chark. I'm not surprised to see the light might be starting to come on for him.

I like this Moore, Marshall, Viska thing Carolina has going on. I'm ready to see more from Marshall and Viska, Feed them, PJ!

Niners now have a projected 9 (!) draft picks in April despite having traded away their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks.

I feel like I need to call this part out more, because it's kinda mind-blowing. The Niners may have overtaken the Ravens as kings of the compensatory pick. At the very least, they're battling for the crown.

Niners projected 2023 picks:

3rd round (compensatory for Robert Salah or Marty Mayhew)
3rd round (compensatory for Mike McDaniel)
5th round
5th round (Miami's from Jeff Wilson trade)
5th round (compensatory for D.J. Jones)
6th round (compensatory for Arden Key)
7th round
7th round (Denver's from Jonas Griffith trade last year)
7th round (compensatory for Raheem Mostert)

Obviously, it's all mid and late round picks, but in what should have been an absolute wasteland of a draft class, the team has so many picks that they'll likely either execute a couple trade-ups, or flip some of it for higher 2024 picks.

In Commanders' buying transaction news, the aforementioned Jeff Bezos is looking to make a bid as is Byron Allen.

Well, there you have it.

Other than Walton, the richest current owner is David Tepper of the Panthers. He’s worth roughly $100 billion less than Bezos.

I too am roughly worth $100 billion less than Bezos. When do I get my football team?

Pat McAfee Unloads on the NFL As the League Puts Ridiculous Restriction on His Show

Pat, on this particular Halloween, why are you talking the way that you’re talking about the league that you’ve talked about for the last three years?’ McAfee asked. “Well, the reason I’m doing so is because even though we currently have a rights deal with the NFL that costs millions and millions of dollars, we’ve been informed this morning that we are no longer allowed to use any of their logos on any of our graphics.”

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Chairman_Mao wrote:
Other than Walton, the richest current owner is David Tepper of the Panthers. He’s worth roughly $100 billion less than Bezos.

I too am roughly worth $100 billion less than Bezos. When do I get my football team?

The amount of money Musk spent to buy Twitter could have gotten him the Commanders. And the Nationals. And the Wizards. And the Capitals. And DC United. And the Mystic. And the Spirit.

Rat Boy wrote:
Chairman_Mao wrote:
Other than Walton, the richest current owner is David Tepper of the Panthers. He’s worth roughly $100 billion less than Bezos.

I too am roughly worth $100 billion less than Bezos. When do I get my football team?

The amount of money Musk spent to buy Twitter could have gotten him the Commanders. And the Nationals. And the Wizards. And the Capitals. And DC United. And the Mystic. And the Spirit.

I googled "Elon and sports" and found out there's something called Elon University in North Carolina that's been around since 1889. Their niche is making educators, apparently.

I don't think Elon-Elon has any interest in sports? Like, he may not "get" them? I mean, he sure understands wanting to "beat others" and be praised as #1. But does he understand things like team, teammates, collaboration and rooting for a common interest with others different than you? Does he even marvel at what elite athletes can do with their bodies or is that just like a blank in his brain? Have we even seen him at a sporting event? Does he even like people?

Spot on

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Not spot on for Jones!

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Enix wrote:

Spot on

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Best quote at the end

Out of everyone here, my favorite QB is Davis Mills, because you can’t believe how happy I am to have another QB I can draw with a snake neck. Glennon was a top 3 favorite player to draw for me and I hated that he was basically irrelevant. Now we got a replacement snake neck boy and I am so happy about it.

Am I watching ESPN promote MNF between BAL-NO with a Blink 182 song?

Have I ever felt older?

I feel more old after watching that than when I chuckle knowingly at the Dr Rick ads.

Draw Play Dave's doing classic works of art for this week's bets. I hope every game is an upset.

This Colts v Patriots is the most unwatchable football game I've ever seen.

Pink Stripes wrote:

This Colts v Patriots is the most unwatchable football game I've ever seen.

Tell me you're not a Jags fan without telling me you're not a Jags fan.

Pack - Lions has entered the chat.

Rat Boy wrote:

Pack - Lions has entered the chat.

2nd and goal from the 1. It's a run play, but Rodgers sees Sammy Watkins single covered outside, so does one of those subtle QB things where he just lets the WR know to run a fade. Ball is snapped, he tosses the ball towards the corner of the end zone . . . and Watkins is blocking the DB.

I have to say, Angry Rodgers Cam is just as fun as Angry Jerry Jones Cam.

Edit: They go for it on 4th down, and Rodgers throws his second INT in the end zone with five seconds gone in the 2nd quarter.

Illuminate me how this league gets better with more teams? Doesn’t feel like there’s talent enough to go around now.

I found some footage of PJ Walker today against the Bengals.

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TheGameguru wrote:

Illuminate me how this league gets better with more teams? Doesn’t feel like there’s talent enough to go around now.

It's all relative.

If the league was only 16 teams, you'd be telling us how bad the #15 and #16 teams are, and how expanding to 24 teams would ruin everything.

Watch some old videos of bad '80s teams. Bad '80s quarterbacking. The level of talent now is SO much higher across the board, even on sh*tty teams like the Jags.

The other aspect of that discussion is that, for a lot of people, "gets better" means "makes more money" and that would probably happen anyway.

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