NFL 2022: The preseason thread

Reddit recommended me a post from the Panthers subreddit, and I decided Enix needed to see this one.

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There's a big difference between '80s passing stats and '10s stats.

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Sigh. There's a portion of the Panthers fan base that's trying to push Cam into Canton. I think Peppers and Kuechly will make it, and probably Steve Smith, but Cam's got no shot. Except for one great season, he was never in the Brady/Manning/Rodgers/tiny failed NBC broadcaster tier of QBs.

Absolute coaching legend Romeo Crennel announced his retirement. And he DID mention the Patriots in his message, unlike others...

Enix wrote:

Sigh. There's a portion of the Panthers fan base that's trying to push Cam into Canton. I think Peppers and Kuechly will make it, and probably Steve Smith, but Cam's got no shot. Except for one great season, he was never in the Brady/Manning/Rodgers/tiny failed NBC broadcaster tier of QBs.

That's hilarious; I don't think Matt Ryan has more than a very remote chance, but his chance is way better than Cam's. There are a bunch of guys with one great MVP season; it's not like people have exactly been clamoring for Rich Gannon or Boomer Esiason for Canton.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I don't think Matt Ryan has more than a very remote chance, but his chance is way better than Cam's.

Now *that* is hilarious.

Matt Ryan is 8th all time in passing yards, and everyone ahead of him except Brady is retired. He'll pass Marino and Rivers this year for #6, and will pass Roethlisberger if he plays in 2023 to get to #5.

If he plays for 3 years, he'll pass Favre and Manning too and crack the top 3.

The stat accumulator voters will love him.

The day he retired, I believe Vinny Testaverde was #5 in NFL history in both yards and TDs. Sure, maybe #3 is that much better, but how long is he going to be #3 with how insane passing yards are going? 10 QBs were over 4k yards last year, two over 5k, and that's going to keep going up.

I used to think Ryan had a shot, but he's basically got one great season and then he's Tony Romo with a longer career. Their rate stats are really similar; Ryan just played longer so his cumulative are much better.

Vinny never got close to an MVP though.

Vinny was 61st all time in passer rating when he retired. Matt Ryan is currently 13th.

Vinny was a Pro Bowler twice and never All-Pro. Ryan’s gone to 4 Pro Bowls and has one All-Pro, and was offensive Rookie of the Year.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

but he's basically got one great season and then he's Tony Romo with a longer career.

I mean, that’s how the stat accumulators get in.

Note that I’m not arguing in favor of Ryan’s entry. But I guarantee the stat-lovers are going to argue hard for him.

Jags QB BEAT HARD was carted off the practice field after being down for several minutes. Apparently a groin injury.

Jags may find themselves needing a backup QB.

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*Legion* wrote:

One more accuser, and he'll be up to Nick Chubb's jersey number.

Accuser number 24 and lawsuit number 24 has arrived, and it's a doozie.

These two new lawsuits seem to have the Watson camp on their heels. Public opinion is turning further against them, and they're managing it poorly and making things worse.

*Legion* wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

One more accuser, and he'll be up to Nick Chubb's jersey number.

Accuser number 24 and lawsuit number 24 has arrived, and it's a doozie.

These two new lawsuits seem to have the Watson camp on their heels. Public opinion is turning further against them, and they're managing it poorly and making things worse.

A lot of folks are saying that the situation has gotten so out of hand that the commish should not let him play until all of these suits are litigated or settled. Browns fans will be ready to riot over that, but I don't really see it as unreasonable. The league really can't let this spill over into the season.

The projected starting QB for my former favorite team is now up to wearing Kobe’s old number. Somehow fitting.

Source.

I am beginning to think that there is a non zero chance that Deshaun will be allowed to play a number of games this year but be suspended most of 2023. The league will say some sh*t like "wait and see" and then put the hammer down when there is real money involved. Deshaun may have played himself on that by structuring his contract to be sanction proof. The league is gonna take its money.

Cam Newton goes onto a podcast to blame himself for "f*cked up situations" in New England and Carolina, but host Channing Crowder hit him with “You done got old." Give this podcast crew Pat McAffee money.

He thinks he's one of the 32 best QBs right now, but the problem was he "didn’t know the offense well enough to show the world that he was still Cam Newton"?

Learning the offense is kind of a part of being good, Cam. It's not a separate factor.

The NYT reporting that the Texans provided Watson hotel rooms and NDAs for his "massages".

Ugh.

Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson saw at least 66 massage therapists over a 17-month period, report says

I am pretty sure if I took every person I know and asked them to list every masseuse or massage therapist they ever visited, I would not get to 66.

And for those keeping track, that is about a new massage therapist a week over that period.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson saw at least 66 massage therapists over a 17-month period, report says

I am pretty sure if I took every person I know and asked them to list every masseuse or massage therapist they ever visited, I would not get to 66.

And for those keeping track, that is about a new massage therapist a week over that period.

The whole "it's not illegal" to try to manipulate circumstances to get a "happy ending" statement is looking a lot more like it was forced in context.

Paleocon wrote:

The NYT reporting that the Texans provided Watson hotel rooms and NDAs for his "massages".

Ugh.

I am shocked--nay, SHOCKED--that a franchise claiming to be run by the Most Holy and Christian of leadership teams would do something like this.

*Legion* wrote:

He thinks he's one of the 32 best QBs right now, but the problem was he "didn’t know the offense well enough to show the world that he was still Cam Newton"?

Learning the offense is kind of a part of being good, Cam. It's not a separate factor.

What Cam said (and you should really listen to the podcast) was that he thought he could just parachute into New England and Carolina and do Cam things and everything would work out. Which is obviously not what happened. His taken on his time in New England is interesting.

As for Cam's argument that he's better than some current starters (that's why he means by 32 best QBs), y'all know that Damn Sam Darnold is a starter? And so is Davis Mills? Drew Lock? Daniel Jones? Marcus Mariota? C'mon.

Meanwhile and unrelated, PFF is rolling out its Heartbreak Dynasties -- good teams that either lost the Super Bowl or didn't quite get there. No 31-40 dropped today. There are links in the piece to 41-44 and methodology (which includes DVOA, of course).

If my former team got the moral enlightenment and testicular fortitude to do the right thing and cut the two QBs on the roster that need cut, I would support Cam.

Looks like Homer Simpson is getting $4.65 billion to sell the Broncos. Pretty good for something he got for free.

Enix wrote:

As for Cam's argument that he's better than some current starters (that's why he means by 32 best QBs), y'all know that Damn Sam Darnold is a starter? And so is Davis Mills? Drew Lock? Daniel Jones? Marcus Mariota? C'mon.

I mean... the one thing all those guys have in common is that none of their teams' personnel departments is interested in replacing them with Cam Newton.

Just don't see any evidence that Cam has any juice left. He played a brutally physical game for a QB and put his body through hell to be a high level player. But that physical toll isn't going to be undone. Cam a few years ago is better than the names on that list, but in 2022? Hard to see it.

iaintgotnopants wrote:

Looks like Homer Simpson is getting $4.65 billion to sell the Broncos. Pretty good for something he got for free.

Simpson is selling to the Waltons, making George H.W. Bush kind of right?

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

If my former team got the moral enlightenment and testicular fortitude to do the right thing and cut the two QBs on the roster that need cut, I would support Cam.

You'll trade for Garoppolo and you'll like it.

Then you get to cheer for Jake Brisket during the 7 games Garoppolo misses.

I will do no such thing, as I am not a fan of any team.

*Legion* wrote:

Just don't see any evidence that Cam has any juice left.

See what you want to see. And don't discount Cam's wheels, which he still has and have always set him apart from other QBs.

There was never a time last season when I thought Sam Darnold should be in there instead of Cam. But Matt Rhule is a smart guy who knows how to develop QBs so what do I know?

Enix wrote:

Meanwhile and unrelated, PFF is rolling out its Heartbreak Dynasties -- good teams that either lost the Super Bowl or didn't quite get there. No 31-40 dropped today. There are links in the piece to 41-44 and methodology (which includes DVOA, of course).

They picked an appropriate image to put at the top of that 31-40 page. There's a lot of Iggles pain in there.

Iggles should have traded for Rod Martin and made him a receiver.