NFL 2022: The preseason thread

Yeah. I'll buy that. I guess I didn't see enough from him to buy the hype and, as you point out, I sure as hell don't see him outperforming his contract.

I was bullish on Watson before everything turned south. I wanted the Niners to replace Garoppolo with him. (And fittingly, they went with a prospect with a similar physical skill set in Trey Lance. Lance is faster and taller, though he obviously also has a lot more still to prove as a passer).

There's an alternate reality out there where Watson is not a trash person, and he hooks up with an offensive coach like Shanahan, who really helps mold him into a locked-in top 5 QB. That skill set is still there in this reality, but I have zero trust in either Watson or the Browns.

I think fully guaranteed blockbuster QB contracts are a dangerous game even in the best of situations. Brings to mind the old Marvin Hagler quote, "It's tough to get out of bed to do roadwork at 5am when you're sleeping in silk pajamas." Even guys that have great work ethics, I think it's hard not to lose a tiny bit of edge in that situation. In a Watson style situation, I'm rather pessimistic. And if a suspension comes and Watson loses 2022 as well, then I'm extremely pessimistic.

If Watson were a Madden player, I would probably say he is a high 80s-low 90s, and I would put Mayfield as a high 60s-low 70 (someone can probably dig those stats up). He is a very good QB. If this were just a video game, I would rather play with him as my Browns QB than anyone they have had since they came back.

However, he isn't just a Madden character, he is a garbage person and a serial sexual predator. On the one hand, that is the only way any organization would let him become available at any price, on the other hand, I don't want to root for or watch a serial sexual predator or the team that mortgaged their future to get him. That is why I don't consider myself a Browns fan anymore.

The Texans have reached settlement with 30 women who had potential claims against them.

That number 30 is notable for being more than 24 (or 26), so there may be a few extra settlements in Watson's future.

But I am sure he will get a 4-6 game suspension, or maybe just fine him a few game checks this year...

If the arbitrator rules any suspension of games at all for Watson, the NFL will have the ability to appeal, which basically puts the matter before Goodell (ie. they appeal to themselves).

They cannot appeal only in the instance that the arbitrator rules for 0 games suspended.

So the first thing that needs to happen is the arbitrator to rule for a suspension of at least 1 game. If that happens, there's hope that the league can then "appeal" and change it to the year-long suspension they claim to want.

It seems unlikely that the arbitrator is going to rule for a 1-year suspension, but it's not game over unless the ruling is for 0 games.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

If Watson were a Madden player, I would probably say he is a high 80s-low 90s, and I would put Mayfield as a high 60s-low 70 (someone can probably dig those stats up).

Good guess!

If the early leaks are to be believed, Watson is 86, Mayfield is 78 and my boy HEY DARNOLD is at 70 (and tied for last with Certis and Danny Dimes).

Official Madden rankings get rolled out next week starting Monday, if the interwebs are to be believed.

We shouldn't be surprised that Zach Wilson went for over 40.

Rat Boy wrote:

We shouldn't be surprised that Zach Wilson went for over 40.

He went to BYU, nobody should be surprised he's got some affection for Cougars.

Remember when Tampa Bay was the official home of fat-ass QBs?

Since bringing in studly physical specimens like Yo Gabba Gabbert (and I guess that other old guy too), that hasn't been the case.

But nature abhors a vacuum, and the the 4th law of thermodynamics, Conservation of Buccaneer Fatness, cannot be violated. As such, Leonard Fournette has stepped up.

NFLPA and Watson camp are signaling an intent to challenge a year-long suspension in court, should one ultimately be imposed.

As Florio points out, given that this system of punishment was collectively bargained, it seems unlikely a judge is going to be inclined to intercede. But it wouldn't be a good look for the union to try calling foul on the very first instance of the system they bargained for being put into action.

I think the only way the union could have a leg to stand on is if the arbitrator decided on something like 2 games, and then the league "appealed" it to Goodell and had him crank it up to a full season. Even that seems to follow the letter of the agreement, but the union could maybe argue it violates the spirit - an indication that any arbitration decision that isn't 0 games will just be set to whatever the league wants.

More Panthers fun from FO; the yearly receiver plus/minus article is out for the 2021 season, which essentially helps put catch rate into context and filters out things like tipped balls and overthrows that were targeted at the WR. Cooper Kupp is not shockingly at the top, as, you know, he was kind of good last year. There are 91 WRs in their table, and hearty congrats to the Carolina Panthers for having the two-fer of DJ Moore at #90, and Robby Anderson at #91.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

More Panthers fun from FO; the yearly receiver plus/minus article is out for the 2021 season, which essentially helps put catch rate into context and filters out things like tipped balls and overthrows that were targeted at the WR. Cooper Kupp is not shockingly at the top, as, you know, he was kind of good last year. There are 91 WRs in their table, and hearty congrats to the Carolina Panthers for having the two-fer of DJ Moore at #90, and Robby Anderson at #91.

It's Robbie, not Robby. Keep up!

Otherwise I see no lies in the FO story.

Meanwhile, Carolina unveiled new all-black uniforms today and wowza:

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July 19: the high point of Carolina's 2022 season. Write it down.

I like the look of that Panther uni!

Here is the new legacy Giants uni's. Was hoping for a bit darker jersey but I love em!

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The Deebo Samuel situation may be approaching a resolution.

Deebo is back in the Bay Area, and appeared in an Instagram video with his trainer, where the trainer spouted off something about how Deebo's "about to get paid".

If Deebo's about to get paid, that also seems to imply some resolution coming to the Jimmy G situation, as Jimmy's contract is holding up cap space that would presumably be needed for a Deebo extension.

(EDIT: According to Schefty, the Niners have officially given permission to Jimmy and his agent to pursue a trade. The meaningful part there is that Jimmy's camp can now discuss contract renegotiation with potential destination teams.)

Also, more 49ers wild speculation:

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Just trying to think of who the candidates might be.

Guy said it's not Julio, but if it is a receiver, it could be Will Fuller, which would sure be fun, especially on a roster set enough at the position that they could just enjoy his 8 healthy games and live without him the rest of the time.

There's some offensive tackles out there like Nate Solder, Duane Brown, Eric Fisher... but I doubt they're signing someone like that to compete at right tackle with McGlinchey, and obviously no one in the league right now can compete with Trent Williams.

Interior offensive line or safety would seem to make the most sense for this roster, though I don't think there's any 1st round safeties out there except for scrap heap guys. (Ha Ha Clinton-Dix making another appearance as a Niners training camp body?) Could be someone like Ereck Flowers, who managed his best season last year, and has generally ceased being a dumpster fire since making the move to guard.

Billy Price would be an option too, probably as nothing more than a depth player, but he was a 1st round pick.

I do love how he's touting a "former first-round pick" like that's some kind of huge deal; we're later into free agency where the really desirable players have done been scooped up and PAID, and the draft status of some veteran who clearly didn't move the needle enough to drive a market frenzy is a weird thing to focus on in the latter half of July.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I do love how he's touting a "former first-round pick" like that's some kind of huge deal; we're later into free agency where the really desirable players have done been scooped up and PAID, and the draft status of some veteran who clearly didn't move the needle enough to drive a market frenzy is a weird thing to focus on in the latter half of July.

Miners sign former first round pick Jamarcus Russell

Welp, the Niners did indeed sign a former 1st round pick. They signed 2016 #29 oveall pick DT Robert Nkemdiche.

The next Kris Kocurek reclamation project? Guess we'll see.

The Browns will reportedly not pursue a trade for Jimmy Garoppolo even when he's fully cleared.

It's OK though, because...

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McCarron is especially funny, given that the Browns tried to trade for McCarron after Hue Jackson was enraged over the team failing to trade for Garoppolo, but the trade failed because it wasn't submitted in time.

I mean, there was a time that I wanted the Browns to take Rosen over Mayfield. Who knows, maybe if they did I would still be a Browns fan...

Kyler Murray signs a 5yr $230.5m deal, edging out Watson's $230m deal.

$160m guaranteed, so as expected, not fully guaranteed. Still, the amount of the guarantee was clearly impacted by the Watson deal. But teams smarter than Cleveland are going to continue to put that genie back in the bottle.

I got to be honest. If you gave me $230 million there is no force in the verse that would stop me from going full on Jamarcus Russell

Paleocon wrote:

I got to be honest. If you gave me $230 million there is no force in the verse that would stop me from going full on Jamarcus Russell

I once again refer to the Marvin Hagler quote I posted earlier on this page.

At any rate, the first thing that comes to mind with this Kyler signing is how it impacts the Lamar Jackson negotiations. I imagine it's a good thing for the Ravens that Kyler signed first, and broke the precedent of fully guaranteed QB contracts. If Kyler signed a fully guaranteed deal, there's no way Lamar would sign anything less. He may still push for it, but having that precedent broken gives the Ravens much more of a leg to stand on.

And if Kyler and Lamar had both signed fully guaranteed deals, the precedent would have been set in stone going forward.

Drew Brees is spending his time in much the same way as my retired father:

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If it's wrong I giggle that Drew Brees' post-retirement career has gone from "bad broadcaster" to "fired broadcaster" to "Major League Pickleball Owner", I never want to be right again.

Brees is a failed practice facility away from becoming the David Tepper of MLPB owners.

It’s America’s fastest growing sport!

*Legion* wrote:

Drew Brees is spending his time in much the same way as my retired father:

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While there's still no evidence that he plans to play by Brees to actually pickleball...

What?

Yeah, Florio butchered his editing of that line.