A place for aggregated discussions of a possible conflict, it’s implications and effects, news updates and personal accounts if any. If the expected conflict kicks off, I will change the title but the function will stay the same.
Also doesn't seem like something Biden would do, as it's playing chicken with the lives of the soldiers he'd put there.
I am having a conversation with a former Trump supporter who only switched over to independent after his aunt and niece were killed in Kharkiv. He's struggling with trying to cope with the Trump victory and still holds if tenuously to the hope that Trump might change his mind on Ukraine.
I mentioned that the rise of Trump, Orban, and now Putin aligned and authoritarian forces in Georgia, the AFD, Brexit, and other illiberal forces is neither organic or accidental. Neither is it accidental that the most ardent supporters of democracy reside in Ukraine and the Baltics. None of this is organic. It is the result of decades of WORK.
The collective democratic West has largely been asleep while illiberal forces led by Putin, Bannon, Orban, Thiel, and others have been chipping away at the confidence of democracy and creating a lie based information space that aims to destroy the knowable. And the ONLY force in the West that rang the alarm and worked studiously against it was George Soros' Open Society Foundation. Putin blamed Soros for the color revolutions and he was actually right. Soros' OSF and in particular the International Renaissance Foundation has been working for thirty years to reform institutions in the former Soviet states. Creating independent media, reshaping the education system, standing up the anticorruption league....
In the meantime, Putin and his forces have been doing precisely the opposite by funding disinformation agents in the Western information space to undermine faith in institutions. Putin has been at war with the West for 20 years and the only party that has opposed him is a "globalist Jew" who believes that human flourishing benefits from functioning institutions.
Things I was not expecting to see today, somewhere around #1 on the list: the connection between the war in Ukraine and ... Warhammer 40,000??!!
It's the fascism.
It's the fascism.
Honestly, yeah, that's pretty much it.
Like, I've come to enjoy WH40K, but I do wonder how Games Workshop feels that, despite their repeated statements to the contrary, fascists are using their game as propaganda with some effectiveness.
Then again, if you look at the comments under that video, it's plenty popular among soldiers all around the world, including Ukrainian troops.
Reminds me of cops putting Punisher logos on their stuff.
Russia vows response if Ukraine uses US long-range missiles to hit its territory
In a response to Joe Biden's reported decision to give Ukraine permission to fire ATACM missiles into Russia, a Russian foreign ministry spokesperson warns of an "appropriate response" if such missiles are fired into Russian territory.
"Kyiv's use of long-range missiles to attack our territory would represent the direct involvement of the United States and its satellites in hostilities against Russia, as well as a radical change in the essence and nature of the conflict," a statement reads.
"Russia's response in such a case will be appropriate and tangible," it adds.
Other countries have also removed the same restriction.
Ukraine have a couple of months to try to get some leverage before the orange clown arrives.
Ukraine front could 'collapse' as Russia gains accelerate, experts warn
President Biden’s decision to provide anti-personnel mines to Ukraine, and allow the use of long-range missiles on Russian territory comes as the Russian military is accelerating its gains along the front line.
Data from the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) shows that Russia has gained almost six times as much territory in 2024 as it did in 2023, and is advancing towards key Ukrainian logistical hubs in the eastern Donbas region.
Meanwhile, Ukraine's surprise incursion into Russia's Kursk region is faltering. Russian troops have pushed Kyiv's offensive backwards. Experts have questioned the success of the offensive, with one calling it a "strategic catastrophe" given manpower shortages faced by Ukraine.
These developments come at a time of heightened uncertainty with a second Donald Trump administration looming. The US president-elect has vowed to bring the war to a close when he takes office in January, with some fearing he could cut future military aid to Ukraine.
Russia advances in eastern Ukraine
In the first few months of the war the front line moved quickly, with Russia gaining ground quickly before being pushed back by a Ukrainian counteroffensive. But in 2023 neither side made any major gains - with the conflict largely sliding into a stalemate.
But new ISW figures suggest the story in 2024 is more favourable for Russia. The ISW bases its analysis on confirmed social media footage and reports of troop movements.
The ISW data shows Moscow’s forces have seized around 2,700 sq km of Ukrainian territory so far this year, compared with just 465 sq km in the whole of 2023, a near six-fold increase.
Dr Marina Miron, a defence researcher at Kings College London, suggested to the BBC that there was a possibility the Ukrainian eastern front “might actually collapse” if Russia continued to advance at pace.
More than 1000 sq km was taken between 1 September and 3 November, suggesting the push accelerated in recent months. Two areas bearing the brunt of these advances are Kupiansk in Kharkiv region, and Kurakhove, a stepping stone to the key logistical hub of Pokrovsk in Donetsk region.
Kupiansk and areas to the east of the Oskil river were liberated in the Kharkiv offensive of 2022, but Russia has progressively retaken the latter area. In a recent intelligence update, the UK's Ministry of Defence said Russian forces were trying to breach the north-eastern outskirts of the city.
Footage posted on 13 November and verified by the BBC is consistent with this analysis. The video shows a convoy of Russian armour being repelled after making it to within 4km of the key bridge at Kupiansk, the last major road crossing in the area.
While these reports do not necessarily translate to control of an area, it is indicative of how stretched Ukraine’s defensive line has become.
Elsewhere, since retaking the city of Vuhledar in October - an elevated position which sits above key supply lines and which Moscow spent two years fighting for - Russia has thrown resources at Kurakhove.
Ukraine’s forces defending the city have so far repelled attacks to the south and east. But the front line creeps ever closer, with Russia also threatening to encircle defenders from the north and west.
Col Yevgeny Sasyko, a former head of strategic communications with Ukraine’s general staff, said Russia places “powerful jaws” around the flanks of a city that slowly “grind though” defences until they collapse.
Footage from the city verified by the BBC showed massive destruction, with residential buildings heavily damaged.
The ISW concludes Moscow now holds a total of 110,649 sq km in Ukraine. For comparison, Ukrainian forces seized just over 1,171 sq km in the first month of its incursion into Kursk - though Russian forces have now retaken nearly half of that territory.
Despite its territorial gains, Russia's advance has come at a huge cost.
An analysis carried out by BBC Russian confirmed that at least 78,329 troops have been killed since Russia launched its full-scale invasion in February 2022, with Moscow’s losses from September to November this year more than one-and-a-half times greater than the same period in 2023.
The losses are compounded by the “meat grinder” approach said to be favoured by Russian commanders - describing the waves of recruits thrown towards Ukrainian positions in a bid to exhaust troops.
Despite the Russian advances, some experts have noted that the actual speed of the offensive is still slow. David Handelman, a military analyst, suggested Ukrainian troops in the east were slowly withdrawing to preserve manpower and resources, rather than suffering from a broader collapse.
The Kursk gambit
Ukraine launched its shock incursion into Russia’s Kursk region in August. It is unclear why Russia took so long to respond to the operation, which saw Kyiv’s troops quickly gain control over a number of border communities.Dr Miron suggested that while the Kremlin would suffer a domestic political cost for as long as the incursion continued, Russia’s general staff had been keen to keep Ukraine’s forces tied down in Kursk as its forces made gains elsewhere along the front line.
But Moscow is now clearly intent on reclaiming the territory lost on its own soil. Some 50,000 troops have been deployed to the region.
Verified videos from the Kursk region show fierce fighting is taking place - and that Russia is suffering considerable losses in terms of manpower and equipment. But the data clearly shows Ukraine’s control of the region is shrinking.
Since the start of October, Russian counter-attacks have regained some 593 sq km worth of territory in the border region, ISW figures showed.
The Kursk incursion was initially a major boon for Ukraine in terms of morale at a time of serious setbacks, and the audacity of the operation was a reminder of its ability to surprise and harm its enemy.
But Dr Miron said while the Kursk incursion was a moment of “tactical brilliance” it has also been a “strategic catastrophe” for Ukraine.
“The whole idea was to maybe gain some political leverage in potential negotiations, but militarily to draw the Russian forces away from the Donbas in order to liberate Kursk. And what we're seeing instead is that Ukrainian units are tied down there.”
Some of Kyiv’s most experienced and effective units are known to be fighting in Kursk. Mechanised units equipped with state-of-the-art Western armour are also involved in the offensive.
Ukrainian leaders had hinted that they hoped the incursion would force Moscow to redirect some of its forces from eastern Ukraine, slowing the Russian advance there. Instead, experts say most reinforcements were moved to Kursk from parts in Ukraine where the fighting is not as intense.
“According to Ukrainian soldiers from different parts of the front, the Russian troops reinforcing Kursk were mainly pulled from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia,” Yurri Clavilier, a land analyst with the International Institute for Strategic Studies, told the BBC.
“The fighting there is not as intense as it is in the East. Some Russian units attacking Kharkiv were also redirected to Kursk as Ukraine managed to stall the Russian onslaught there,” he added.
The importance of territory to both sides is the strength it lends to their position in any potential negotiations. Although no peace negotiations have been discussed, US President-elect Trump has claimed he could end the war within 24 hours, without saying exactly how.
Fears persist in Ukraine that Trump could cut military aid as a means to force Kyiv to the table. President Volodymyr Zelensky told Fox News on Tuesday "I think we will lose [the war]" if cuts are pushed through.
"We have our production, but it's not enough to prevail and I think it's not enough to survive," he said.
On Tuesday, Ukraine fired US-supplied long-range missiles into Russia for the first time - a day after Washington gave it permission to do so. It is thought that the decision was made in part to help Ukraine hold on to part of the Kursk region, to help use as a bargaining chip in future negotiations.
Dr Miron told the BBC that Russia’s advance has handed them a stronger negotiating position as Trump’s new foreign policy team prepare to take office.
“What they're controlling right now, it does give them a certain advantage,” she said. “If it came to negotiations, I'm sure that as the Russian side has been stressing, ‘we will do it based on the battlefield configuration’.
“From a Russian perspective, they have much better cards than the Ukrainians.”
The chatter on Telegram is that the massive storm shadow strike on Putin's palace in Kursk annihilated the command staff of the North Korean expeditionary force.
Probably easier to defect to Ukraine than to South Korea, right?
Told you that they couldn't live without porn.
I don't understand why Russia is allowed to tap in Belisarius and North Korea and Ukraine can't tap in international volunteers. From all indications; Poland would love the chance to kick Russian ass.
I don't understand why Russia is allowed to tap in Belisarius and North Korea and Ukraine can't tap in international volunteers. From all indications; Poland would love the chance to kick Russian ass.
Pretty sure both sides have volunteers its just Russia is willing to get 'volunteers' from other countries. Which basically act as paid mercenary forces. No western nation wants to do the same. For fear of escalation or local political backlash. Instead Ukraine gets a smaller number of actual volunteers and a lot more training and support instead. Although I'm just armchair QBing my thoughts here.
Drazzil wrote:I don't understand why Russia is allowed to tap in Belisarius and North Korea and Ukraine can't tap in international volunteers. From all indications; Poland would love the chance to kick Russian ass.
Pretty sure both sides have volunteers its just Russia is willing to get 'volunteers' from other countries. Which basically act as paid mercenary forces. No western nation wants to do the same. For fear of escalation or local political backlash. Instead Ukraine gets a smaller number of actual volunteers and a lot more training and support instead. Although I'm just armchair QBing my thoughts here.
It's this. Ukraine can and does use volunteers, they're just actual volunteers who have joined the International Legion for the Defense of Ukraine.
And the non-NATO neutral states (Ireland, Swizterland, Austria) are constitutionally bound to varying degrees.
I don't think South Korea is precluded from providing direct military aid, but troops would be out of the question. They are, however, sending intelligence resources and translators I bet. I am sure they would love to get their hands on some Nork prisoners.
I'm sure they already have. And those prisoners are probably having the time of their lives.
Free porn for Norks will do that.
Never heard Norks till today, enjoying it.
It's nearly as good as Goblicans.
Sadly for me, I can't unhear the decades of British slang in which norks means boobs.
Never heard Norks till today, enjoying it.
It's nearly as good as Goblicans.
Wasn't it used in the game Homefront?
Sadly for me, I can't unhear the decades of British slang in which norks means boobs.
Oddly fitting.
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