Help me build my PC: 2024 Catch-All

Pink Stripes wrote:

And, frankly, good prebuilds come with better cable management that what I did with my current build.

I've been building my own PCs for 25+ years now, but this is the biggest issue for me. Assembling the parts and screwing everything in is no big deal, but my cable management is just janky.

Santa Clara? Oh hell yes. 49ers game and PC parts shopping in one trip.

pandasuit wrote:

Question:
What's a good cost/performance value CPU compatible with a ASRock A320M motherboard that would be easy to get ahold of? If I could find one at a reasonable price the 3600 and 5500GT may be good options. It's unclear to me why the 5500 or 5600 are not supported by this motherboard. 5500 seems like it would have been a good choice and is easy to find.

CPU support list:
https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/A320M/...

Context:

My brother gave me some of his old PC parts recently and it included a working ASRock A320M motherboard, Ryzen 3 1200, 16 GB DDR4 2133 RAM, and various other.

I was thinking of repurposing some of this to build a desktop for another relative. Pretty sure I don't want to keep the Ryzen 3 1200 as it has worse performance than the i7-4770k I have laying around. It seems like the motherboard can run far more modern AM4 CPUs after a BIOS upgrade.

There are many variations of the A320M motherboard but I'm very confident it's that specific one as it is the only variant that visually matches and it only says ASRock A320M on the board I have.

Edit: This model of the A320M doesn’t have any video output ports on the board so onboard video on the CPU isn’t useful. Doesn’t really matter for me since I have an extra dedicated video card to put in it.

I am VERY impressed that a Ryzen 5 5600GT from 2024 works in this old motherboard (after many BIOS updates I had to do one by one).

Turns out the RAM my brother gave me was DDR4 3200 and it’s running great at 3200Mhz.

Major kudos to AMD for the fact that a first gen AM4 motherboard works this well.

I put in a new NVMe drive and wifi 6 card for him to round things out.

My old RTX 1060 6GB is the main performance bottleneck of the machine for now but I’ll give him newer GPUs as I upgrade my own machines.

Pretty inexpensive way to upgrade my dad to a much better machine that can play the new games he wants to play. Excited to show it to him and have him experience how snappy a NVMe feels compared to the HDDs he’s used to.

The Windows 11 24H2 branch prediction fix that boosted performance of newer Ryzen Zen 5 CPUs has been backported to 23H2 so that people can get it without upgrading to the insider Windows build.

Apparently the fix is showing performance improvements on older Zen 3/4 CPUs as well.

AMD Ryzen Windows Speed Boost Available To All: Here’s How To Get It
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyl...

13-16% performance improvement[/b] in some of Hardware Unboxed tests. More than 20% boost in some games.

Hardware Unboxed benchmarks:

Edit: Follow up video explaining (and fixing) some of the inconsistent results and digging more into what the issue is and when it was introduced

So the past two generations of AMD CPUs, which were already the better buy over Intel, were getting those wins even with Windows nerfing their performance a bit. Imagine what those benchmarks would have looked like at those products' launches without this problem.

Not a conspiracy guy - I think AMD's engineers that missed it have the most to account for - but boy is it a coincidence that this kind of virtual thumb-on-the-scale behavior happened right when Intel's re-re-rehashed chips designs were hitting a wall and AMD's performance was pulling away.

AMDs engineers were probably using that hidden admin account and didn't even realize the thumb was on the scale.

Is it fair to say the 7950X3D is the best option if I want something similar in performance to the 7800X3D for gaming, but also reduce video rendering and RAW editing processing times most effectively, while also not creating a space heater for my office (looking at you, high-end Intel CPUs)?

Dunno. Does anyone have any real world experience with 7950X3D yet?
I know there are reviews and impressions. But I thought most things after the 7800X3D aren't worth the price for the gains.

From what I've seen in reviews, the 7800X3D is the best gaming CPU, but not so great (or at least just average) with productivity stuff. What isn't so clear to me is if the 7950X3D is the best "gaming" CPU for productivity--like is it the best single CPU solution for both uses (and more performant per watt), even if it's not the best at either.

If you want top-tier gaming and top-tier productivity with the same CPU, I think the 7950X3D is your best option. From what we've seen from the 9000-series so far, the 9950X3D is likely to be roughly equivalent in performance, and cost something like $700 on launch, instead of $430, which is where the 7950X3D is at now.

We honestly don't know where the Intel 13/14000-series is going to end up given that they haven't released their "fix" yet for the overvolting that is killing 50% of their CPUs. And then there's the large difference in power draw on top of all that.

the 9950X3D is likely to be roughly equivalent in performance, and cost something like $700 on launch, instead of $430, which is where the 7950X3D is at now.

Apologies, I am out of date and had not realized prices have fallen that far. Yah, 7950X3D seems the way to go!

peanut3141 wrote:

If you want top-tier gaming and top-tier productivity with the same CPU, I think the 7950X3D is your best option. From what we've seen from the 9000-series so far, the 9950X3D is likely to be roughly equivalent in performance, and cost something like $700 on launch, instead of $430, which is where the 7950X3D is at now.

We honestly don't know where the Intel 13/14000-series is going to end up given that they haven't released their "fix" yet for the overvolting that is killing 50% of their CPUs. And then there's the large difference in power draw on top of all that.

Thank you! Yeah I'm really not keen on Intel right now. If I pull the trigger this will be my first ever AMD.

As for the Amazon price, it's a fake seller unfortunately. I think when they're properly in stock and sold by Amazon.com it's around $500.

Chairman_Mao wrote:

Thank you! Yeah I'm really not keen on Intel right now. If I pull the trigger this will be my first ever AMD.

As for the Amazon price, it's a fake seller unfortunately. I think when they're properly in stock and sold by Amazon.com it's around $500.

I've had a 5900X for about 4 years now and am very happy. Even at $500 I think the 7950X3D is the best option for your stated desires.

At this point AMD is clearly winning the CPU development battle and is the better choice. It's about time for them to get complacent and Intel to have their Zen moment.