Help me build my PC: 2024 Catch-All

Carlbear95 wrote:

Anyways, its at 5600 out of 6000 now. I'll check the BIOS page periodically to see if there's an update that may add compatibility. Its basically a non-issue for me. From a money standpoint, the difference between 5600 and 6000 MT speeds was $15 (maybe less when it was on sale). My PC is basically overkill for my applications today: 1440p gaming + flightsim (which may actually care about RAM speed). Work from home is basically just excel, so I could use a potato for that. Just future proofing myself for games that will come out in the next 5+ years.

And voila.. BIOS update at the end of July added compatibility for my RAM and I'm now XMP enabled with no manual settings DDR-6000... those extra 400 MHzz are just zipping across my screen and I already feel myself being so much better at gaming!

Sweet. Rocket League tonight!

Carlbear95 wrote:
Carlbear95 wrote:

Anyways, its at 5600 out of 6000 now. I'll check the BIOS page periodically to see if there's an update that may add compatibility. Its basically a non-issue for me. From a money standpoint, the difference between 5600 and 6000 MT speeds was $15 (maybe less when it was on sale). My PC is basically overkill for my applications today: 1440p gaming + flightsim (which may actually care about RAM speed). Work from home is basically just excel, so I could use a potato for that. Just future proofing myself for games that will come out in the next 5+ years.

And voila.. BIOS update at the end of July added compatibility for my RAM and I'm now XMP enabled with no manual settings DDR-6000... those extra 400 MHzz are just zipping across my screen and I already feel myself being so much better at gaming! :)

The real question is what you got your stable Rocket League framerate to. My upgrade at the end of last year got me to a smooth 360fps with almost no dips which is very nice. Not that anything above 120fps makes a huge difference for input latency but I "feel" like it's better so it must be right?!?

Asking for you PC Build experts to review this build I am considering putting together.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HynLkJ

I last put together an I5 system that you guys approved, running a 1050. It struggles with some of the newer stuff like Diablo 4, and BG, so figuring an upgrade is due.

Looks solid to me! Did you intend to have 3 identical SSDs in there?

I did, they aren't too expensive and it would give me 6tb of storage.

Is that not advisable?

From my perspective, I'd say that you want to break them across 2 different PCI busses. One would have just the system SSD (c:\), since that will be constantly accessed. The other would be one for Steam and games, and one for photos, movies, etc., so they won't be fighting for bandwidth on the bus.

If you have 3 PCIe busses, distribute them one on each.

I thought PCIe worked in lanes. Each NVMe uses 4 lanes and the AMD CPU has 24 total. I think there is a subtle difference between NVMe on the MB vs ones in a PCIe slot but for storage I dont think it will matter.

The Power Supply might be a bit over kill at 1000 watts, but it won't hurt!

Yeah, never mind, I confused myself. It looks like there are 3 M.2 slots, one at 5.0, and two at 4.0. That should be fine for the chosen drives, and the one should be direct connect, while the two others have four lanes each.

does no one do RAID anymore?

FiveIron wrote:

does no one do RAID anymore?

Raid I think made more sense when local storage backups and online backups were not so easy to do. And NVME drives don't have as much capacity as HDDS do so it's expensive to go that route and you really cripple your capacity.

Isn't RAID a bad idea with SSDs? I seem to remember reading that RAID was bad for/with SSDs, but my brain has filtered out anything like why that's the case and where I encountered the information, so I don't know if I can trust it in this case...

RAID means a number of different things, so the first question when asking about RAID is, what is it you're trying to achieve?

If you're talking RAID 0 and striping data across multiple drives in order to provide faster reads, well, you're not going to get the same kind of gains as you do with spinning platter disks. And most likely, disk read performance from your SSDs is not a limiting factor for you anyway, so marginal improvements make no real-world difference.

If you're talking about RAID 1 and redundancy, you can certainly still do that with SSDs, but is the complexity worth it compared to other solutions? On a workstation machine, perhaps. On a home PC, do you really need real-time redundancy via RAID vs. backing up to an external disk, a home NAS, or to a cloud-based backup? And do you really need redundancy for a bunch of Steam game downloads that you can simply re-download anytime?

Unless you have a specific problem you're trying to solve, then you don't need RAID.

nice, that was all very informative. thanks!

So you don't have the same issues I did.. just make sure that memory is compatible with that motherboard so the xmp (or whatever its called on AMD systems) works out of the box (or with a bios update) so you get all of those juicy mhzzzzzzs out of it.

mhzzzzs is what you were getting before the bios update
Now you are getting mhZING! (a MHzing?)

Long video but it seems Linus Tech Tips isn't very trustworthy anymore.

I saw that video yesterday.

Like a lot of people, my response was, "I've been noticing the incessant asterisk corrections, but I didn't realize the problem was THAT widespread". I browse LTT every now and then and pick out some interesting looking videos to watch, but I skip the vast majority of their content.

I was excited at the idea that they were going to push in a much more rigorous testing direction with all the money they're spending on the new lab, and I guess I just assumed their process would be updated to match. That assumption appears to have been faulty.

My hypothesis is that LTT/LMG have spent an absolute fortune on their new everything, and have extreme anxiety about maintaining the cash inflow. They've crossed the line into being a content mill.

Also, Linus is absolutely terrible at being called out and held to account. It's starting to feel very Musk-ian at this point.

Ultraram...

Coming soon, maybe.

The brochure for the technology goes on to explain that: "ULTRARAM is a charge-based memory that stores data by moving electrons into or out of a so-called 'floating gate'. The charge state of the floating gate is read non-destructively by measuring the conductance of an underlying 'channel'. The final component of the memory is the barrier that acts like a 'lock' to retain electrons in the floating gate during data retention. The barrier is unlocked to allow charge to flow when the memory is being written or erased."

...

At the moment, you have either DRAM (or system memory) and flash memory. The two have very different properties and so are used for almost entirely different things. DRAM is super quick, with read and write speeds many times faster than the quickest SSD, and can be rewritten practically as many times as you want. But it's a volatile memory, so it needs constant power to maintain the storage of data. As soon as the power goes, so does all the information, hence why the sleep mode of your laptop will still drain the battery.

And that's where flash memory comes in. It's much cheaper, much slower, but is persistent and will retain data for a long time once the power goes off. Though it does have a comparatively low endurance rating, where the flash chips will wear out over time and over a specific number of cycles.

ULTRARAM promises to fulfil both functions, with performance on a level with DRAM, while consuming far less energy. And it will reportedly retain data for 1,000 years.

Stele wrote:

Ultraram...

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*Legion* wrote:

I saw that video yesterday.

Like a lot of people, my response was, "I've been noticing the incessant asterisk corrections, but I didn't realize the problem was THAT widespread". I browse LTT every now and then and pick out some interesting looking videos to watch, but I skip the vast majority of their content.

I was excited at the idea that they were going to push in a much more rigorous testing direction with all the money they're spending on the new lab, and I guess I just assumed their process would be updated to match. That assumption appears to have been faulty.

My hypothesis is that LTT/LMG have spent an absolute fortune on their new everything, and have extreme anxiety about maintaining the cash inflow. They've crossed the line into being a content mill.

Also, Linus is absolutely terrible at being called out and held to account. It's starting to feel very Musk-ian at this point.

I've been watching the odd LTT video ever since I embarked on my latest build 4-3 years ago, I've never been able to excuse or forgive the carelessness in which he seems to treat any piece of hardware he happens to lay his hands on. Ram, GPUs, Mobos etc being thrown around with glee and smirks that to me read as "look at how cool I am I can smash this things around I don't care I didn't pay for them"
He makes interesting videos, but that kind of attitude really offends me, for lack of a better word. It may be his schtick, I don't know, I actively dislike when reviewers do that and can't help to wonder if part of that frame of mind fuels the apparent problems he seems to be facing here.

He was very anti OLED and created legions of idiots that parroted his nonsense. Bleh good riddance

I don't think LTT is going anywhere.

I do think they have been too sloppy lately for the sake of pushing out a steady stream of content. Which as was stated in a previous post on here is probably due to the amount of money they have spent recently.

I have been watching their videos for years and I enjoy them, but they are going through some major growing pains with this labs initiative. It doesn't excuse the sloppy work though.

I fully expect that a bit of a reset will happen soon. They now have a new CEO, and I expect this round of bad press will force them to rethink how much content they push out on a weekly basis. At least until they can get their sh*t in order.

I could be totally wrong though!

Gaald wrote:

I fully expect that a bit of a reset will happen soon. They now have a new CEO, and I expect this round of bad press will force them to rethink how much content they push out on a weekly basis. At least until they can get their sh*t in order.

If the “tech” people that made the channel don’t care enough about quality and accuracy and ethics, I doubt an outsider coming in as CEO will be the one to prioritize those things over business concerns.

I’m sure they’ll clean up some of the more visible screw-ups, but I no longer have any confidence in the idea of the “new” lab-driven LTT transforming into the kind of rigorous, methodology-focused outfit that they’re already trying to pass themselves off to be.

To butcher the Warren Spector quote that’s been on this site forever: Anytime accuracy gets in the way of uploading, uploading wins.

I watch LTT for entertainment value. If the video is interesting I watch it. I don't think I ever watched a video they did for the "accuracy" of the content. Pretty much for everything I want to buy I look at many different reviews and dig into the specs myself before I consider buying. I watch it for the cool stuff they do, like using a pool as a giant water cooling system.

I've only ever paid attention to LTT for their ridiculous builds. It's something I watch for entertainment while eating lunch at work, not for educational purposes. So i'm not surprised by the growing pains.

Yeah I think they have been pretty upfront that their data isn't totally up to snuff yet. It's a work in progress. Have they made some mistakes, especially recently? Yeah, but I am holding out hope things resolve themselves.

And like Kazar mentioned. I watch the channel for the ridiculous builds they do for the most part and I would never trust just one channel if I am interested in possibly purchasing something.

*Legion* wrote:
Gaald wrote:

I fully expect that a bit of a reset will happen soon. They now have a new CEO, and I expect this round of bad press will force them to rethink how much content they push out on a weekly basis. At least until they can get their sh*t in order.

If the “tech” people that made the channel don’t care enough about quality and accuracy and ethics, I doubt an outsider coming in as CEO will be the one to prioritize those things over business concerns.

I’m sure they’ll clean up some of the more visible screw-ups, but I no longer have any confidence in the idea of the “new” lab-driven LTT transforming into the kind of rigorous, methodology-focused outfit that they’re already trying to pass themselves off to be.

To butcher the Warren Spector quote that’s been on this site forever: Anytime accuracy gets in the way of uploading, uploading wins.

I don't know I think he is new enough to the company that he may be able to help LTT, and Linus especially, see the forest through the trees. Only time will tell.

I too watch Linus for entertainment, as background when doing menial work mostly. I like that LTT gives attention to power efficiency too. But how Linus is reacting to this entire kerfuffle is really souring me on the channel. Either accept that you're having to churn out video's because of financial constraints, and the criticism that comes with that. Or take the risk and give your people more time to increase quality.

edit: Yikes, former employee Madison comes out with some serious allegations regarding the work environment at LGM/LTT. Trigger warning.

edit 2: not long before this is going to need a separate thread...

edit 3: Madison's story in Thread for, for those trying to avoid Twitter/X. Again: TW.