Let’s hope the benchmarks are close to NVIDA.
I heard a lot of "this much better than our previous gen cards" but nothing comparing to NVidia cards. You guys that are in the know about numbers and stuff - what should these be comparable to in NVidia's line?
-BEP
Looks like its %10ish slower than a 4090 at 95W less power. Rumors are that the FE are more modest and that AIBs will release 400W+ mega versions that may meet or exceed the 4090.
Also people were falling over themselves that AMD increased performance per watt by 50%.
AMD announced they actually increased by 54% performance per watt.
Also of note is the 7900xtx is a regular sized card with regular power connectors. So they could release something with more transistors with significant performance increases.
impossible to tell until we get benchmarks. Too many variables involved. For example the new COD MW2 runs faster on the 6800 XT than the 3090ti.
At those prices, probably hello to the 7900XT for me. First non nVidia card for me in decades
I dislike spending $1000 for a GPU but I might splurge and get one. Otherwise my 6900’s are fine for my HTPC’s.
I think AMD is playing it smart going for price/performance rather than straight up performance.
However, I can't help also think that AMD is waiting to see how Nvidia responds before unleashing the full potential.
It seems there is a LOT of headroom. It is only 355W and it is under clocked at "only" 2.3Ghz.
And it is a standard 2.5 slot gpu with standard power connectors.
I am getting strong 6 cylinder mustang vibes. Good, but not a 302 or 350GT engine...
Let’s hope the benchmarks are close to NVIDA.
At $600 cheaper at the top end, honestly it doesn't have to get all that close. If it is really close... I'll be shocked if it's even possible to get a card.
But if I can manage to find one I'm probably in for an XTX.
It says something about the GPU market when $999 is seen as the cheap card :/
Oh well, benchmarks will be interesting.
Are those supposed to come before December 13?
I would be surprised if benchmarks are available any earlier than maybe 24 hours before release.
I'm in for the XTX.
AMD as usual is getting cute with their "1.7x over the 6950XT" performance graphs, but if they aren't complete fabrications, the card is probably, what, 90% of the 4090 for 60% of the price?
The Achilles heel of the value proposition being RT performance, where the claimed 1.5x improvement would still fall way behind NVIDIA. Though, as an owner of a 3080 and a 3070, ask me how much RT I actually use. Pretty much zero. I don't care about RT until it's cheap enough to not sacrifice high refresh rate performance when using it.
I want to drive VR and I want to drive my 240hz 1440p monitor, and RT is a hindrance to both of those. So, come on down 7900 XTX.
Also, just to put it out there, I give zero craps about DLSS 3 or FSR 3. Anything that involves rendering a frame and then delaying its display - which by definition is what these do in order to first generate and display the "in-between" frame - is a latency increasing feature that I don't want.
Everything around DLSS 3 gets coy about this latency increase by combining it with NVIDIA Reflex. So sure, Reflex might hide the latency increase of DLSS 3 compared to using neither... but now compare it to using ONLY Reflex.
Reflex itself though is something awesome that I will miss when using an AMD card.
There’s no way this card at $999 is competitive with a $1599 card. That’s just bad business to leave money on the table. More likely it’s in the good enough range and even at $1000 it’s obscenely overpriced.
There’s no way this card at $999 is competitive with a $1599 card. That’s just bad business to leave money on the table. More likely it’s in the good enough range and even at $1000 it’s obscenely overpriced.
Well it won't be competitive in RT. It probably will fall behind the 4080 in RT even. NVIDIA has gone hard at RT and obviously that's a big part of the cost.
But no, I don't think it is out of the question for the 4900XTX to be somewhat competitive with the 4090 in rastarization performance. I expect it will slot in right behind the 4090, a step behind but not an entire product level behind.
Even if it falls short of that, though, it's still seemingly running away with the performance-per-watt and performance-per-dollar crowns. Again though, only in rastarized rendering.
Intel is looking to pivot harder into being a contract chipmaker, to rival TSMC and Samsung.
Of course, they have chased this before, most recently a push that started in 2014 and was abandoned in 2018.
Though, as an owner of a 3080 and a 3070, ask me how much RT I actually use. Pretty much zero. I don't care about RT until it's cheap enough to not sacrifice high refresh rate performance when using it.
Yeah, we might easily get at least another 1-2 graphic card generations (or half generation refreshes) before RT starts to feel necessary and worth it.
Of course, if spending freaking $999 I'd also expect it to be viable for more than 2 years.
Ugh... random restarts are generally a symptom of bad power? Heat is definitely not the issue as I keep a little temp monitor on all the time, and its not even close to critical levels.
I know vid card could be the issue, but its rebooting during normal windows usage.. not playing a game, so the vid card is barely doing anything.
Power would be disappointing... I've had a lot of PCs and power supply degrading has never been an issue. I will go in there and make sure everything is plugged in tightly and its relatively clean in there.
I am planning a new build during my holiday break in December, but I was also expecting this PC to be a hand-me-down to my wife. I can deal with random crashing... she is much less likely to.
Could be a memory problem too, so might be worth testing the memory sticks.
Motherboard.
Bad sector on the HDD or SDD
How old is the PSU?
Could be a memory problem too, so might be worth testing the memory sticks.
Power and Memory would be my first investigations. One or the other has been at fault for every bout of random forced restarts I've ever had to deal with.
Well, that or driver mess but it's been a long long time since any of that.
Ah.. memory.. that's right.. I did go from 16gb to 32gb like a year ago... I think I tested it like 3 times.. and 1 of the 3 came up with errors... that would also be annoying, but at least I still have my old memory sticks for hand-me-down status.
The 4080 16GB reviews are going up and… it’s getting dumped on by every single reviewer I’ve looked at so far.
Summary: It’s 70% of the 4090’s performance but at 75% of its price. So performance per dollar it is somehow an even worse value than the $1600 4090.
Woof.
Maybe that should have been a 4070 also?
Calling it now, the 4080 starts selling at $999 right after the RX 7900 XTX reviews hit.
My big frustration right now is that the newest Pimax VR headsets only work on NVIDIA cards, due apparently to bandwidth limitations in AMD's implementation of DSC (Display Stream Compression). Hoping the RDNA 3 cards resolve those limitations, and Pimax expands their compatibility to the RX 7000 cards as a result. Because I badly want the upcoming Pimax Crystal headset with WiGig wireless.
If it had been $1000, it would still have been absurdly expensive, but at least more appropriately priced compared to the other absurdly expensive 4090.
Whenever they are done selling their 3000 stock, a price cut seems likely at least. Or sooner, if Radeon is competitive.
I think my rule from now on will be, upgrade when I can double performance at the same price I paid for my last video card. I.e. It's going to be a long ass time before I upgrade again.
What is your current gpu and what did you pay for it?
You might be closer than you think...
I more than doubled my rx580 with a 6650xt and paid only ~50-75$ more.
They're not wrong at all.
But also the it's a market that's never going to correct until people actually just stop buying the cards.
And I just don't see that happening.
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