Help me build my PC: 2022 Catch-All

Hmm looks like my number came up in EVGA queue again. Think I have a friend at work looking but if anybody else needs a 3060, let me know today. Could ship it straight to someone I think.

Will the next gen still be PCI-E? IE, can it be swapped in in place of a 3080?

I am pretty sure yes they are.

The 3080 is really doing the job for me right now. I think I’ll probably get a few more years out of it, given the time it takes for studios to decide to add new gen graphics features to their titles.

Oh I'm not talking about if you already have a 3080.
I am saying if you want to upgrade, don't buy a 3070 or higher right now.

You are just throwing away money because you will either replace it at the end of the year, or if the next gen is price inflated, it will still drop the prices of current gen such that a 3080 might be hundreds below MSRP.

If a 7600XT debuts at an inflated $600 (the leak is $400-450) and is equivalent to a 3090 including raytracing, a 3080 will either cost less than $600 or it will gather dust on the shelves.

Not to mention if you are trying to recoup some of that 3080 cost on the used market, you are going to get far less for it.

So for a GPU upgrade I won't say don't wait. I will absolutely say don't wait purely because there's rumors the new stuff might be good or possibly priced well. That is IMO is at best hit and miss but often just kinda bad advice.

There are good valid reasons to wait. Wait because you're happy with what you have for the time being. Wait if you don't think it will bother you if the GPU market happens to go supply and demand crazy again 6 months from now. How much more will it upset you if later this year the GPU market gets crazy again for whatever reason and cards are both difficult to find and also 200% over MSRP, vs if you buy now and then the new cards are a clear improvement? Will FOMO on the new generation hit harder than still using whatever you have now for another year? Then you should absolutely wait.

For price/performance we see the same so-called leaks before almost every new generation now and it's at best like 30/70 they're right or not.

I forget where I read this, but it's rung true to me ever since. Regarding rumors and thinking about waiting for the next generation, take at least 10% off whatever performance increase the rumors talk up and assume pricing to be worse than they claim by at least $100. If that's the case and you still feel it would be worth the wait, you should definitely wait.

If not, it might be worth the bigger upgrade you can get right now.

But also don't buy the 12GB 3080 unless you can't find a 10GB. The 12GB is a terrible, overpriced, non-upgrade of a release that Nvidia shoved out to justify charging more for an otherwise nearly identical card during a supply shortage combined with an increase in demand.

When they released the 12GB model they should have just come out and said "Congratulations! You can now pay $1000 instead of $750 and gain a whopping ~5fps on average over the 10gb card! Isn't that great? Yay us!" (But actually f*ck you and yay our shareholders, lol)

If you want a sign that the same Nvidia that released the mostly trash overpriced RTX 2000 series is still alive and well, the existence of that 12GB 3080 is definitely it.

To be clear, I am saying that if a 3060 or 3060ti is a healthy upgrade for you, buying now or within the next month is a smart buy. You will be able to get those gpus at MSRP without much fuss. It may take you a week but you won't have to wait in queues for months to get one. Also, the prices are either going to stagnate or go down in the next month. There is zero chance prices go up to 2x MSRP in the next month.

All the gpus over a 3070 have had inflated MSRPs since they were launched. Is a 3070 worth $100 more than a 3060ti? Is a 3080 (10GB) worth $200 more than a 3070 or $300 more than a 3060ti? In addition, the 3080 (12GB) is the only one of those cards that has hit its "MSRP" at $999. So I am not recommending buying them now.

AMD refreshes are coming next month which will drive down the prices of gpus. If they don't, gamers won't buy the current gen so they run the risk of going on clearance when they pack shelves...

Next gen is coming towards the end of the year. Even if we take your suspicions, at $100 more and even 30% less performance , you are talking about at 3070ti or 3080 (50% boost over a 3060ti) for $500 on the low mid end 7600XT.

So even if next gen disappoints or supply is limited to inflate prices, you will be able to get a 3080 at a discount and the used market will be flooded with people trying to dump for the next gen despite inflated prices and subpar performance.

FWIW, AMD hit its targets with the 6000 series and even surprised with the 6900xt release on launch.

Thin_J wrote:

But also don't buy the 12GB 3080 unless you can't find a 10GB. The 12GB is a terrible, overpriced, non-upgrade of a release that Nvidia shoved out to justify charging more for an otherwise nearly identical card during a supply shortage combined with an increase in demand.

When they released the 12GB model they should have just come out and said "Congratulations! You can now pay $1000 instead of $750 and gain a whopping ~5fps on average over the 10gb card! Isn't that great? Yay us!" (But actually f*ck you and yay our shareholders, lol)

Are there even 10GB models left in the supply chain? I figured the 12GB version was basically a way to raise the price on the 3080. Usually these "new" models end up becoming the only ones made once they get introduced.

I think I’m gonna go ahead and pull the trigger on the 5800 X 3-D, and a small form factor build. I want to be able to play Valheim with my sons this summer and it’s been seven years since I built a new PC. Here’s what I’ve got so far. I already have the EVGA 3080, and I have a Lian Li A4 H2O Dan case on the way. Any thoughts/suggestions appreciated.

Case: Lian-li A4 H2O SFF
MB: Asus ROG STRIX B550-I
CPU: 5800X3D
CPU cooler: Thermaltake Water 3.0 240 ARGB Sync 56.45 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16
Drive: Kingston KC3000 1.024 TB M.2-2280 NVME
PS: Corsair SF 750W
OS: Windows 10 Pro 64 bit

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/jonnyp...

*Legion* wrote:

Are there even 10GB models left in the supply chain? I figured the 12GB version was basically a way to raise the price on the 3080. Usually these "new" models end up becoming the only ones made once they get introduced.

They do still appear on rare occasions, weirdly enough. Microcenter here had some shortly after the prices came back down, one was down at I think $850.

Not listed anymore though.

Managed to snag a 5800x3d! Case on the way.

jonnypolite wrote:

I think I’m gonna go ahead and pull the trigger on the 5800 X 3-D, and a small form factor build. I want to be able to play Valheim with my sons this summer and it’s been seven years since I built a new PC. Here’s what I’ve got so far. I already have the EVGA 3080, and I have a Lian Li A4 H2O Dan case on the way. Any thoughts/suggestions appreciated.

Case: Lian-li A4 H2O SFF
MB: Asus ROG STRIX B550-I
CPU: 5800X3D
CPU cooler: Thermaltake Water 3.0 240 ARGB Sync 56.45 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16
Drive: Kingston KC3000 1.024 TB M.2-2280 NVME
PS: Corsair SF 750W
OS: Windows 10 Pro 64 bit

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/jonnyp...

You are going to love that system, I think.

Would a 2K monitor be a waste of money it I have a decent 1080p gaming monitor?

JohnKillo wrote:

Would a 2K monitor be a waste of money it I have a decent 1080p gaming monitor?

No. Even 1440p is such a huge upgrade over 1080p. 4K is the dream though. So nice.

I'll second both of those sentiments.

tuffalobuffalo wrote:
JohnKillo wrote:

Would a 2K monitor be a waste of money it I have a decent 1080p gaming monitor?

No. Even 1440p is such a huge upgrade over 1080p. 4K is the dream though. So nice.

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I blame @TuffaloBuffalo

My wife just got me a really nice, big desk. Big enough, that I can't really reach my gaming PC to the monitor. I also don't want to put the gaming PC on top of this nice desk.

Anyone have any recommendations on a SFF case that looks elegant and can fit a NVIDIA made 3080ti that looks nice on top of a desk?

34" ultrawide looks a little bit smaller.

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I love the look of the lian li A4 H2O.

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I managed to upgrade my RAM to 32 gb by encouraging my employer to foot the bill on a 2x16 corsair vengeance RGB RT 32 kit bought locally for an eye and arm*, and thou it took me** a while to sort things out it posted ok after a couple of tense hours.

So now I have RGB ram, which is pretty to look at I guess, but I have no idea how to make this more appealing or interesting other than the ICUE software prebuilt patterns which I don't find that interesting to begin with. Is there some sort of resource / guide out there I should be looking for to lead me down the rainbow-colored path? I guess I want some solid colors. Edit 2: Nevermind, I looked deeper into the cue thingie and I'm good.

Edit: Just in case, I had to go for this RGB kit as most others options I had available were 2x8 kits, I wanted to keep it simple and lower the odds of having a stick or chip fail and also leave room for a future expansion to 64 gbs, I couldn't find any other 32gb kit without RGB or for a better price from a "reputable" vendor.

* 290 USD, which, for reference, is about half of what my pc costed about 15 months ago buying all the components via amazon.
** It actually took the rig a while to stabilize and recognize the ram at the intended speed (3200 mhz, the MOBO and kit's limit), as I cannot claim to have solved whatever issue there was at the beginning, when it finally recognized the ram at the max frequency, the window SSD stopped working, I just kept shutting it on and off until it somehow clicked.

AMD clinging to the last gasps of greed. I'll wager that other than the 6950XT, the others gather dust and hopefully push whatever stock is left of the non x50 cards to below MSRP.

Lots of gamers are upset and the only argument for these prices will be gone in a week. But on the other hand, I give price stagnation a 50/50 chance.

Nvidia is only worth it on the low end (3060, 3060ti) and if you can snatch an MSRP gpu. Every other tier is well above MSRP still. I'd wager you're only hope for those is a dump of used gpus but the hash rate just got fully unlocked for a 30% mining boost. So that may be off the table for at least a few more months.

6650xt = $400, 6750XT = $550, 6950XT = $1100

The 6750xt is not worth $70 more than a 6700xt which wasn't close enough to a 3070 to warrant $480.
The 6650xt is closer to the 3060ti but it still can't match its ray tracing. Its only saving grace is the real MSRP of the 3060ti is probably $430-450.
The 6950xt isn't worth $100 more than the 6900xt but its saving grace is its competition is at least $400-900 more.

Building a new Mini ITX PC for the desk with a 3080 Ti.

Processor wise. Which is less heat/less power. Intel or Ryzen?

Or just keep the 9700k that I already have? Still fast enough for the 3080 Ti?

I guess the big question is, do I really need a i9 or Ryzen 9 for gaming?

Anyone run into this issue and have a solution...

Nephew bought a cyberpower prebuilt pc with a Ryzen 5800 and a Gigabyte 3070. When powering it up, there is green pixels on the splash page and when it gets to windows there screen is filled with green lines running horizontal across the monitor. Doesn't show up while in BIOs. Installed the Nvidia drivers and don't have control to select resolution. This happens on the HDMI connections. On the 2 display port connections, it reverts to a 1024x786 resolution without control to change it. It is like the drivers aren't installed for the display port connections on the card. Finally, installing an old 1060 graphics card, everything looks normal and is accessible via the display settings.

Any ideas... seems like the card is bad, but wanted to check here for solutions before RMA.

Definitely sounds like the card is bad. Can you try it in a different PC as well just to verify?

Balthezor wrote:

Processor wise. Which is less heat/less power. Intel or Ryzen?

Ryzen.

Or just keep the 9700k that I already have? Still fast enough for the 3080 Ti?

You can certainly stick with the 9700K for a bit longer.

I guess the big question is, do I really need a i9 or Ryzen 9 for gaming?

No.

Or a different monitor...
But if it can't do higher than 1080p on displayport, then something is certainly wrong.

I was getting a curious electrical buzzing from my speakers when my 3070 was running under load. No buzzing on the desktop or in simple games, but a distracting buzz when running fancier looking modern games that stress the video card.

I tried changing the sound output by using nvidia's sound processing and running the output through the monitor and then to the amp. This helped a bit, but didn't solve the problem.

The problem was something called "ground loop feedback". I finally solved it by yanking out the ground pin from the power plug feeding the amplifier. No more electrical buzz.

polq37 wrote:

I was getting a curious electrical buzzing from my speakers when my 3070 was running under load. No buzzing on the desktop or in simple games, but a distracting buzz when running fancier looking modern games that stress the video card.

I tried changing the sound output by using nvidia's sound processing and running the output through the monitor and then to the amp. This helped a bit, but didn't solve the problem.

The problem was something called "ground loop feedback". I finally solved it by yanking out the ground pin from the power plug feeding the amplifier. No more electrical buzz.

Ok yeah it solved the problem I guess but created even more dangerous one. Those grounds are important!

Gaald wrote:
polq37 wrote:

I was getting a curious electrical buzzing from my speakers when my 3070 was running under load. No buzzing on the desktop or in simple games, but a distracting buzz when running fancier looking modern games that stress the video card.

I tried changing the sound output by using nvidia's sound processing and running the output through the monitor and then to the amp. This helped a bit, but didn't solve the problem.

The problem was something called "ground loop feedback". I finally solved it by yanking out the ground pin from the power plug feeding the amplifier. No more electrical buzz.

Ok yeah it solved the problem I guess but created even more dangerous one. Those grounds are important!

Yes. This. A much better solution would be to use an Isolation Transformer:

https://www.amazon.com/Isolation-Tra...

Gaald wrote:
polq37 wrote:

The problem was something called "ground loop feedback". I finally solved it by yanking out the ground pin from the power plug feeding the amplifier. No more electrical buzz.

Ok yeah it solved the problem I guess but created even more dangerous one. Those grounds are important!

Yeah, not too worried about it. I'm feeding a 20 watt amplifier that came with a cheapo two prong 12 volt / 3 amp wall wart. Instead of using the power supply that the amplifier came with, I was using an old Netgear 12 volt / 5 amp power brick with a three prong plug. I figured that overprovisioning it a bit would be less likely to stress the amplifiers' electronics and it would have less parasitic loss.

Moggy wrote:
Gaald wrote:
polq37 wrote:

I was getting a curious electrical buzzing from my speakers when my 3070 was running under load. No buzzing on the desktop or in simple games, but a distracting buzz when running fancier looking modern games that stress the video card.

I tried changing the sound output by using nvidia's sound processing and running the output through the monitor and then to the amp. This helped a bit, but didn't solve the problem.

The problem was something called "ground loop feedback". I finally solved it by yanking out the ground pin from the power plug feeding the amplifier. No more electrical buzz.

Ok yeah it solved the problem I guess but created even more dangerous one. Those grounds are important!

Yes. This. A much better solution would be to use an Isolation Transformer:

https://www.amazon.com/Isolation-Tra...

I sometimes get a similar issue from the analog Maker Hart mixer I have all the sound devices at my desk mixed by. Do those $10 Ground Loop Noise Isolators for Car Audio (with a 3.5mm in and out) help in a situation like this?