NFL 2021: The Week 11 thread

They had an undefeated 5-0 QB that filled in when Brees was hurt but traded him away and kept Hill instead. Saints deserve it all

He's not even their full time starter when healthy. I don't get it.

Maybe when the details shake out the $$$ side of things won't be that bad.

What I don't get is if Sean Payton is an offensive genius can't they just go get anyone else off a practice squad and mold him.

Hill is 31. It's not like he's some young project player who if turns the corner the Saints are set for 10~ years.

I'm sorry to interrupt your salary cap debate but since someone recently brought up its protagonist, I wanted to take a moment to commemorate the ninth anniversary of the buttfumble. Cheers.

Video evidence of why the Panthers got rolled up on Sunday: WFT was pushing some dudes out of the way. Also, Carolina's run fit is preeeeeeeety bad.

Also, it's so cute how Brian Baldinger gets amped up about good O-line play.

Taysom Hill is a "QB" who not only can't beat out Jameis Winston for a starting job, but can't beat out Trevor Siemian for a QB2 job, and who as a positional player has generated 156 yards from scrimmage in 7 games this year.

To express this production in Jaguar terms, his production is equivalent to:

1.84 Tavon Austins, or
0.58 Carlos Hydes, or
0.46 Jamal Agnews

I don't think there is anyone in the league who is getting paid more to produce less.

Taysom Hill gets paid how much more than Justin Tucker?

Paleocon wrote:

Taysom Hill gets paid how much more than Justin Tucker?

Double.

Taysom Hill's existing deal was for $10.5m/yr average, and the new deal is $10m/yr average if he doesn't become the team's starting QB (so, you know, the value he's actually gonna receive).

Justin Tucker, as the league's highest paid kicker, gets $5m/yr average.

Oh, and speaking of comparing Taysom Hill to guys on my teams, 49ers fullback Kyle Juszczyk has 189 yards from scrimmage this year. He's the league's highest paid fullback at $5.4m/yr.

Imagine doubling Kyle Juszczyk's salary, then taking away the majority of his blocking snaps. Bam, Taysom Hill.

iaintgotnopants wrote:
Bruce wrote:

What's with the camo pattern for the sideline staff? I noticed Dallas and Pittsburgh have decided not to wear team colors and stay hidden or something. Maybe Army surplus becoming available now the troops are back from Afghanistan? DoD as major sponsors?

Veteran's Day is in November (Armistice Day everywhere else) so the NFL turns it into Veteran's Month because the Dept of Defense pays them billions of our tax dollars for advertising.

Thanks.

Fat guy TD, with the celebration?

I'm calling this a W for the Giants, even if they lose by 40.

The Cardinals pick up Trace Unitas. Good luck, Trace. We loved having you.

Per the PFT article, Taysom Hill has to throw 224 passes in a year to be considered a QB. In the past four years, he's thrown 142 passes total.

Kind of feel like maybe his contract is a "big number look big" contract, and nobody thinks he's going to actually get the big money.

Kevin Hart tends to miss more than he hits with me, but when he hits he says some funny sh*t.

Eli "Pooted" Manning

That's gold.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Kind of feel like maybe his contract is a "big number look big" contract, and nobody thinks he's going to actually get the big money.

He's definitely not getting anywhere near the $95m.

But the "low" non-QB figure of $40m for 4 years is still absolutely insane for someone who has produced 1301 yards from scrimmage across 60 games over the past 4 years.

Aaron Jones is making $12m/yr and he produced 1459 yards from scrimmage in 14 games last season alone.

$10m/yr would be the 9th highest RB salary average, or the 8th highest TE average.

And it's not like the Saints, who are an estimated $56m over the cap in 2022, are in any position to be luxury spending. (Granted, this new deal probably will come with a low cap figure in 2022, but there's still $20m guaranteed in the contract that has to get paid sometime.)

Taysom Hill... is a scam. Take a practice squad player, promise to pay him $10m/yr, and then have him kick back half of that to you. Saints ownership is a mess since Tom Benson died, there's no oversight, why not siphon a few extra million a year out of ownership's pocket? It's embezzlement happening right in front of us. Hill is the Star Citizen of football players.

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Kind of feel like maybe his contract is a "big number look big" contract, and nobody thinks he's going to actually get the big money.

He's definitely not getting anywhere near the $95m.

But the "low" non-QB figure of $40m for 4 years is still absolutely insane for someone who has produced 1301 yards from scrimmage across 60 games over the past 4 years.

Aaron Jones is making $12m/yr and he produced 1459 yards from scrimmage in 14 games last season alone.

$10m/yr would be the 9th highest RB salary average, or the 8th highest TE average.

And it's not like the Saints, who are an estimated $56m over the cap in 2022, are in any position to be luxury spending. (Granted, this new deal probably will come with a low cap figure in 2022, but there's still $20m guaranteed in the contract that has to get paid sometime.)

Taysom Hill... is a scam. Take a practice squad player, promise to pay him $10m/yr, and then have him kick back half of that to you. Saints ownership is a mess since Tom Benson died, there's no oversight, why not siphon a few extra million a year out of ownership's pocket? It's embezzlement happening right in front of us. Hill is the Star Citizen of football players.

Let's compare oranges to tangerines though.

Taysom Hill:
$10m/year
1301 yards
84 total points
in four years.

Jacoby Brissett:
$5m/year
4244 yards
138 points
in four years

I can't be the only person who thinks that Aaron Rodgers looks more and more like Peter Stormare every time I look at him.

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No, I'm pretty sure Peter Stormare is fully vaccinated.

New York/New Jersey football is on fire today. First the Giants fire OC Jason Garrett, and then QBs Joe Flacco and Mike White end up on the Covid list.

Oh yeah, I saw yesterday that all 6 teams playing on Thanksgiving day lost this weekend.

And flacco on the reserve covid list. That didn't take long.

WEEK 12, a day early because of the holiday

Enix wrote:

New York/New Jersey football is on fire today. First the Giants fire OC Jason Garrett...

Indeed.

An eternity ago (well, Week 6), I wrote:

"If things go to form, then expect to see Jason Garrett defenestrated before Xmas. I was never convinced about Jason Garrett as an OC; his record at Dallas as a Head Coach was decidedly average. But I don't think he should carry the can for Judge's (and Gettleman's) failings.

Then I'd expect to see Judge booted out at the end of the season. (He's started 1-5 in both of his seasons as Head Coach, effectively making each season an exercise in salvaging pride rather than competing.)

And then I'd expect to see Gettleman 'retire' shortly afterwards.

If the quotes on the Forbes website are correct, then Judge is already shaping the plank that he'll be walking at the end of the season.

Ultimately, I’ll make every decision based on what’s best for the team long-term. We have to be more productive as an offense,” Judge said. “Generally speaking, the offense’s job is to score points. I don’t believe we’re scoring enough points. It’s my job as the head coach to make sure I give our players an opportunity to go out there and make plays.

I emphasised the 'generally speaking', because it made me smile.