NFL 2021: The Week 10 thread

Emmes wrote:

Wow. After watching a couple of backup QBs play in a downpour in PIttsburgh, I wish every no stadium had a dome.

Fixed.

Emmes wrote:
Pink Stripes wrote:

The Steelers and the Lions are both trying so hard to lose that they might actually tie.

I was holding out hope the refs would accidentally hand us the win again this week.

Corrente wasn’t working

Probably nursing a sore hip

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Uh was Arizona good?

Not every team has Nick Foles as a backup QB

Stele wrote:

Uh was Arizona good?

Not today. No Kyler Murray and no DeAndre Hopkins means the Cards don't have much offense. Plus Carolina's D is actually pretty good when Shaq Thompson plays.

I do not like these Bronco's uniforms.

Enix wrote:
Stele wrote:

Uh was Arizona good?

Not today. No Kyler Murray and no DeAndre Hopkins means the Cards don't have much offense. Plus Carolina's D is actually pretty good when Shaq Thompson plays.

Update: They've taken a step back now that Shaq knocked Colt McCoy into the medical tent and the Cardinals are now rolling with something called a "Chris Streveler."

Hey, that's "not-good-enough-to-start-at-Minnesota-which-did-not-have-a-good-QB-at-the-time-(and-still-doesn't) Chris Streveler" to you.

Particularly when it's the Steelers. They seem to be good for one or two at least every other year.

Never mind. Replay. Yikes. Denver in trouble

I feel like Urban Meyer would have run afoul of this by now except for the fact that the Jags are rarely in a position to even threaten overtime.

Seattle might lose because a defender threw a cleat and it cost them 15 yards.

This game is horrendous.

jowner wrote:

Seattle might lose because a defender threw a cleat and it cost them 15 yards.

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DK Metcalf is good at football. He'd probably be even better if he wasn't such a clown.

Would be 0 surprised if he flames out of the league early.

Whoo! That felt like the old T-Jack or even Mirer teams.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but the Panthers seem legit.

I'm not saying they are legit because beating a Cardinals team without their starting QB and best WR felt very much like the Jets/Saints/Texans trifecta with which Carolina started its season.

But my god PJ Walker was a million times better than Darnold. He's not a great or ever good QB, and he wasn't asked to make any really hard throws, but it was three steps (or five steps) and out. There was none of this HEY DARNOLD standing and hoping someone might come open and throwing it into triple coverage because YOLO or something.

And don't discount Cam. He has really fired up the Panthers, who have been the most boring team in the league for the past three weeks. Cam and CMC work pretty well together. I can't wait to see what they can do once Cam has more than two days of practice.

I still think Cam's shoulder is shot. Last year he did pretty well with the lead but struggled on playing from behind when passing became mandatory. Even with a bum shoulder still quite an upgrade from Darnold though!

EvilDead wrote:

I still think Cam's shoulder is shot. Last year he did pretty well with the lead but struggled on playing from behind when passing became mandatory. Even with a bum shoulder still quite an upgrade from Darnold though!

I agree that Cam's an upgrade from You Know. So is PJ Walker. So is my dog. And yours! I think the former starter's name will only be whispered and spelled -- not spoken -- from here on out. By next training camp, the coach and GM will merely glance at each other and shrug when someone mentions D-a-r-n-o-l-d. Sam who? I think I remember a Sam in training camp. Wasn't he that practice squad guy? Dunno what happened to him.

I think Cam's shoulder is the least of his problems. (You see that throw to DJ Moore in the third quarter? Ain't nothing wrong with his arm! He just has to remember that Moore is faster than anyone in the entire New England region by a lot.)

Remember: Cam was in a new system last year. His pass catchers were not great. (Damiere Byrd was the No 2 receiver, and he wasn't good enough to stay with the Panthers.) He had Covid (and who knows how that screws up a person). And he tended to stay in the pocket too long and absorb sacks when he shouldn't. (Every NFL defender knows his spin-out-of-the-pocket move, which ends up compounding a lot of his sacks.) Even with all that, Cam still completed 66 percent of his passes, which was the second-best mark of his career.

Yes, I think Cam threw a lot more short balls last year than he normally does. No, Cam has no touch. (Never has; it has always been grip-it-n-rip-it.) Yes, the Pats seemed generally out of sorts last season. No, Cam didn't look comfortable throwing the ball. Yes, Cam scored a lot of rushing TDs. No, Cam didn't have a good season in 2020.

I don't know what any of this means for the Panthers this season. I know the expectations of Panther Fan (and me too) are completely off the charts at the moment. YES IT FEELS GREAT!

Enix Week 1 wrote:

I can't believe I'm saying this, but the Panthers seem legit.

I think as fans we assume that players themselves sit around and watch football.. many don't.. and with no ties in College I'm not shocked that most players have no clue what the rules are in the NFL around ties.

karmajay wrote:
Enix Week 1 wrote:

I can't believe I'm saying this, but the Panthers seem legit.

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No rookie quarterback since 2006 has turned in a higher PFF grade than Mac Jones (87.0) through the first 10 weeks. He’s the fifth-highest-graded quarterback in the NFL for the entire season and jumps to first when looking at the last six weeks.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-10...

As long as your offense doesn't have receivers go further than 7 yards downfield, Mac Jones is your man.

It's funny how the "but he doesn't chuck it downfield" narrative is building up with McCorkle because people said the same thing with Brady in his last few years with the Pats (while he was still winning rings) and they said the same thing when Cam played for them (busted shoulder or not). Maybe there's a pattern there?

In reality, it was less true about Brady than the other two.

Tom Brady never averaged less than an 8.0 average depth of target in any season in which PFF has full charting. Those final 2 season in New England had him down by that mark, so there was a measurable dip, but he was all the way up at 9.6 ADOT in 2017.

Cam was a career 9.0+ ADOT passer until his shoulder injury reached its full form. He's never reached even 8.0 since then, but the dropoff happened in Carolina.

Mac right now (7.8, 26th overall) is sandwiched between Tua and HEY DARNOLD in pass depth, and is still looking upward at the mighty deep ball slinger Jimmy Garoppolo, who at 23rd overall is sitting right at that 8.0 mark.

But Legion, would you rather have Mac or I donno...

Trevor Lawrence or Trey Lance?

*Legion* wrote:

In reality, it was less true about Brady than the other two.

Tom Brady never averaged less than an 8.0 average depth of target in any season in which PFF has full charting. Those final 2 season in New England had him down by that mark, so there was a measurable dip, but he was all the way up at 9.6 ADOT in 2017.

Cam was a career 9.0+ ADOT passer until his shoulder injury reached its full form. He's never reached even 8.0 since then, but the dropoff happened in Carolina.

Mac right now (7.8, 26th overall) is sandwiched between Tua and HEY DARNOLD in pass depth, and is still looking upward at the mighty deep ball slinger Jimmy Garoppolo, who at 23rd overall is sitting right at that 8.0 mark.

ADOT appears to be the only other stat Trevor Lawrence beats Mac Jones in. You know, other than Interceptions. Jesus has more of those than The Knife.

Jesus is lucky that Jared Goff and Zach Wilson have been so abysmal because if they weren't there'd be oh so many more article about how Trevy is the worst QB in the league by most metrics.