NFL 2021: The Week 5 thread

Paleocon wrote:

I think Ryan Clark puts it the best,

Clark ain't wrong. No one* was wondering about Gruden's job status Friday after the first story came out.

(*No one I was aware of; even the WSJ, which broke the story, published a folo-up Sunday about how the NFL was thinking about maybe doing something to Gruden. His job wasn't in jeopardy until folks realized that Gruden hates gays and women, too. THE TRIFECTA!)

Thanks for sharing that.

If you got the time:

I wonder what the emails between Jon Gruden and his brother Jay looked like.

The NFLPA is asking for the league to release all the emails from the investigation.

Is anyone from the old Washington regimes friends with Urban Meyer? Just wondering.

One of the numerous advantages in having Ozzie Newsome as the General Manager during this period is being reasonably confident that the Ravens are far less likely to be caught up in Gruden's racist shenanigans.

Representation matters.

Paleocon wrote:

One of the numerous advantages in having Ozzie Newsome as the General Manager during this period is being reasonably confident that the Ravens are far less likely to be caught up in Gruden's racist shenanigans.

Representation matters.

Hey, you never know. Maybe not racist, but Ozzie could be sexist or homophobic.

Granted, from his past statements on the topic of homosexuality and players, I doubt it.

Rat Boy wrote:

If you got the time:

I don't typically watch these, but I did this time - definitely was worth my time. Thanks for sharing.

*Legion* wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

One of the numerous advantages in having Ozzie Newsome as the General Manager during this period is being reasonably confident that the Ravens are far less likely to be caught up in Gruden's racist shenanigans.

Representation matters.

Hey, you never know. Maybe not racist, but Ozzie could be sexist or homophobic.

Granted, from his past statements on the topic of homosexuality and players, I doubt it.

It does make me wonder to what extent the issues with places like the WFT and the Raiders stem from an atmosphere that lacks professionality. I would imagine a hostile work environment like that would definitely affect my motivation to do my best work.

Jon Gruden has been removed from the Buccaneers' Ring of Honor, because this is a team committed to common decency and refuses to employ horrible people who . . .

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. . . that silence, is it an awkward silence? It feels like an awkward silence.

*Legion* wrote:

I wonder what the emails between Jon Gruden and his brother Jay looked like.

The NFLPA is asking for the league to release all the emails from the investigation.

Is anyone from the old Washington regimes friends with Urban Meyer? Just wondering.

Who's behind this has been speculated about to death in sports talk circles and why. If this was the NFL trying to get rid of Gruden because they just found out about this, why do it through piecemeal leaks to the press instead of dropping all the quotes all at once?

Edit: No sooner do I post this than I find out that NFL contends it released no Jon Gruden emails. We got ourselves an NFL Wikileaker on our hands.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Jon Gruden has been removed from the Buccaneers' Ring of Honor, because this is a team committed to common decency and refuses to employ horrible people who . . .

IMAGE(https://u.cubeupload.com/MilkmanDanimal/AB.jpg)

. . . that silence, is it an awkward silence? It feels like an awkward silence.

Don't forget drunk driving nearly ran over a work crew had his guns taken kicked in his family door and kids had to hide in the bathtub Richard Sherman is on this team too.

I do wonder how many folks in the NFL share Gruden's views on minorities, women and/or LGBTQ people. Pretty sure it's more than 1-in-100.

Top_Shelf wrote:

I do wonder how many folks in the NFL share Gruden's views on minorities, women and/or LGBTQ people. Pretty sure it's more than 1-in-100.

And if any of them ever emailed someone in the Washington organization they got to be crapping their pants right now.

Edit: But of course *Legion* logs into the new Battlefield game on Steam at the exact second I'm getting jumpscared by a demon in Phasmophobia.

I do wonder how many folks in the NFL share Gruden's views on minorities, women and/or LGBTQ people. Pretty sure it's more than 1-in-100.

Take a look at the leagues track record in hiring minorities in positions of true leadership and power. Take a look at ownership as well…it’s safe to say the NFL wants to make this about Gruden and only Gruden ASAP.. which is laughable. You just don’t email stuff like that to someone’s work email unless you are 100% certain you are in a very very safe and comfortable space.

Right? And his brother worked there! Can't wait to read his emails!

Jay was going on and on about how Jon would bounce back. Bounce back? We don't care about whether he's ok, we want this stuff to stop and people in positions of authority to be worthy of their power, Jay.

I was just thinking about what happened to his brother. He’s out of coaching apparently and he ain’t getting back now.

Saw a well-known troll media figure online comparing Gruden's punishment to Michael Vick's (essentially arguing that Vick got off easy and Gruden has been over-punished) and I swear to God, 90% of the people complaining about anything "cancelled" these days are some of the most Charmin-soft triggered snowflakes on earth.

/end D&D Detour

Lots of folks making comments like that, but who cares? Vick went to f-ing jail, man. I don't understand how he got off easy.

Then there's the whole Deshaun Watson thing being brought up. The only reason Watson is still on a roster and being paid is because all his sh*t is pending. Innocent until proven guilty, right? Well, Gruden was guilty by his own words.

Not here for innocent until proven guilty. That's a legal concept designed to protect us from unfair prosecution where you go to jail.

I don't believe 20+ (!!!) women are lying about Watson. Do courts need to weigh evidence? Sure. The rest of us can use our common sense and ostracize the assholes.

I meant from the team's perspective. I don't like it, but he hasn't actually done anything they can fire him over until the legal side plays out. If they fire him now and he settles his cases out of court he can probably come back at the team legally DESPITE it being pretty obvious he's a creep (or predator or rapist).

Schefter called Allen "Mr. Editor", too.

Schefter is hardly a paramount of journalism. He's a slick guy who gets to leak stuff FROM teams and players. Why? Because he built up that trust with them by never revealing sources.

And apparently letting them edit his pieces, but whatevs. His sh*t was always about leaks anyway, so no surprise there. Now if he was writing investigative journalism about WTF and sent it to them, well...

garion333 wrote:

Schefter is hardly a paramount of journalism.

Adam Schefter Says Mac Jones Will Be 49ers' Pick at No. 3 in 2021 NFL Draft

Schefter is Peter King, somebody who trades access and insider information for fluff pieces and treating everybody with kid gloves. He's not a journalist, he's a brand, and his brand is being a mouthpiece for the NFL. It's what's made Peter King known to everybody, and Schefter's just trying to follow in his footsteps.

So, when it comes to football matters in the Gruden fallout, Mike Mayock has now officially assumed control of roster duties.

It will be interesting to see if personnel handling changes in Vegas.

Or, at least, it would be interesting, if Mayock survived to see the 2022 season. There's not a whole lot of roster movement he can make at this point, and it's unclear whether or not Mark Davis actually likes Mayock aside from being Gruden's "guy that only did the GM parts Gruden didn't want to bother with".

I want to see what a Mayock draft would look like without spending most of the draft capital on Alabama and Clemson players from the 2019 national championship game.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Schefter is Peter King, somebody who trades access and insider information for fluff pieces and treating everybody with kid gloves. He's not a journalist, he's a brand, and his brand is being a mouthpiece for the NFL. It's what's made Peter King known to everybody, and Schefter's just trying to follow in his footsteps.

That's an insult to Peter King. You're not wrong, but Schefter doesn't even write much. He mostly tweets.

*Legion* wrote:

So, when it comes to football matters in the Gruden fallout, Mike Mayock has now officially assumed control of roster duties.

It will be interesting to see if personnel handling changes in Vegas.

Or, at least, it would be interesting, if Mayock survived to see the 2022 season. There's not a whole lot of roster movement he can make at this point, and it's unclear whether or not Mark Davis actually likes Mayock aside from being Gruden's "guy that only did the GM parts Gruden didn't want to bother with".

I want to see what a Mayock draft would look like without spending most of the draft capital on Alabama and Clemson players from the 2019 national championship game.

Ain't gonna happen. Mayock is likely jettisoned as soon as season ends.

Mike Tanier on Gruden.

Just think for a moment about the level of staggering, self-absorbed privilege at work here. Gruden was a famous broadcaster with lucrative endorsement deals during this period of correspondence. He had no affiliation with the Washington Football Team, no reason to offer vulgar, unsolicited opinions in writing. All he had were tens of millions of dollars in earning potential and a public reputation to lose. And while the 2011 strike and 2016 protests were major events that everyone involved in football had vehement opinions about, the only motivation Gruden could possibly have for weighing in on Michael Sam or female referees was vicious downward-punching hate and fear. Gruden's emails, like many a father-in-law's Sunday dinner rants, betray him as a tough-talking coward, a weakling bullying the vulnerable to feel strong.

Gruden lost his job on Monday; he technically "resigned," but you know how such resignations go. There's a lot of lost employment going around the Facebook father-in-law community these days. Like Gruden, most of them can't shut up. They cannot stop bragging about where they were on January 6, what they think of their company's vaccine mandate, or whose lives, in their opinion, matter. Society is stuck with people like Gruden because society nurtured them for generations. But we no longer have to venerate them, respect them, or allow them to hide behind the protections of power. In fact, we can and should strip them of their wealth and fame, even when it's expensive and inconvenient, because it's dangerous to keep people like Gruden in positions of leadership.

Goodbye, Gruden. You'll only be missed as a convenient comedy punching bag. As to the rest of the racist, homophobic, sexist fathers-in-law out there: you are on notice. Because if the NFL won't put up with your sh*t anymore, no one will.

garion333 wrote:

I meant from the team's perspective. I don't like it, but he hasn't actually done anything they can fire him over until the legal side plays out. If they fire him now and he settles his cases out of court he can probably come back at the team legally DESPITE it being pretty obvious he's a creep (or predator or rapist).

I dunno. Pretty sure the Pats dropped Hernandez despite all the money left on his contract well ahead of any conviction.

Not an attorney, but I'd be surprised if an entertainer had a hundred million dollar deal that didn't allow the employer to immediately distance themselves in the case of "poor conduct" or something that causes a huge publicity headache and there's no way to drop them while waiting for the courts to wrap up years later.

I mean, we were just talking about Vick in here. Texans are keeping him because they think (hope?) it could go away and they can get some value in a trade.

But I hear ya.

Week 6!

Top_Shelf wrote:

I dunno. Pretty sure the Pats dropped Hernandez despite all the money left on his contract well ahead of any conviction.

They did, and years later they still had to pay millions for a grievance that the NFLPA filed on Hernandez's behalf. So (while I also am not a lawyer) I think Garion may have a point.

garion333 wrote:

Schefter is hardly a paramount of journalism. He's a slick guy who gets to leak stuff FROM teams and players. Why? Because he built up that trust with them by never revealing sources.

And apparently letting them edit his pieces, but whatevs. His sh*t was always about leaks anyway, so no surprise there. Now if he was writing investigative journalism about WTF and sent it to them, well...

This just in:
Adam Schefter Waiting On Final Edits From NFL Before Issuing Apology