NFL 2021: The Week 3 thread

DAN ARNOLD IS NOW THE EQUIVALENT OF A 1ST ROUND PICK

Whew, what a steal by Carolina.

garion333 wrote:

DAN ARNOLD IS NOW THE EQUIVALENT OF A 1ST ROUND PICK

Whew, what a steal by Carolina.

I just looked that up and Henderson is basically the Jaycee Horn of the 2020 draft. Henderson was ninth last year, and Horn was eighth this year.

Assuming Henderson is Horn-esque (and Horn was playing pretty well for Carolina), yeah, that's a big steal. That said, it looks like Henderson might have a crippling groin injury, so maybe not.

Enix wrote:
garion333 wrote:

DAN ARNOLD IS NOW THE EQUIVALENT OF A 1ST ROUND PICK

Whew, what a steal by Carolina.

I just looked that up and Henderson is basically the Jaycee Horn of the 2020 draft. Henderson was ninth last year, and Horn was eighth this year.

Assuming Henderson is Horn-esque (and Horn was playing pretty well for Carolina), yeah, that's a big steal. That said, it looks like Henderson might have a crippling groin injury, so maybe not.

It's amazing how much those types of injuries disappear when you leave Jacksonville. *cough* Jalen Ramsey *cough*

My buddy says "At the start of the season, everyone was asking if the NFL had figured out Lamar Jackson. Maybe we should have been asking instead if they had figured out Patrick Mahommes.".

Enix wrote:

Panthers get CB CJ Henderson and a fifth. Jags get TE Dan Arnold and a third.

Legion, what's the story w Henderson?

He's the guy the idiot Jaguars drafted instead of Jedrick Wills.

He started out OK, had a shoulder injury last October, then a strained groin ended his season in November.

Then this season, he reported to camp positive for COVID, then later missed the scrimmage held in front of fans for "personal reasons".

Then in week 2 this season, he left the game with a groin injury, and he missed practice with an "illness" this week, and was inactive this past game.

When he's been on the field this year, QBs targeting him have a 150.0 passer rating. He's also made 5 tackles and missed 3, so when he comes up in run support, you can flip a coin.

The new regime invested at CB in free agency and the draft, and Henderson has been sitting at the bottom of the depth chart for the team's outside corners, though he's gotten onto the field thanks to Tre Herndon being injured.

Jacksonville has been actively shopping Henderson. Getting a 3rd and a TE that you can actually put on an NFL field with a straight face is about all I could have expected given what CJ has shown on the field so far. Mostly though, I remain 100% pissed off at drafting CJ in the first place.

*Legion* wrote:
Enix wrote:

Panthers get CB CJ Henderson and a fifth. Jags get TE Dan Arnold and a third.

Legion, what's the story w Henderson?

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Gotcha loud and clear.

Maybe a change in scenery will do Henderson good. Or maybe Carolina will collapse and they'll blame it all on him. Who knows, right?

*Legion* wrote:
Enix wrote:

Panthers get CB CJ Henderson and a fifth. Jags get TE Dan Arnold and a third.

Legion, what's the story w Henderson?

He's the guy the idiot Jaguars drafted instead of Jedrick Wills.

Thanks for that btw.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
Enix wrote:

Panthers get CB CJ Henderson and a fifth. Jags get TE Dan Arnold and a third.

Legion, what's the story w Henderson?

He's the guy the idiot Jaguars drafted instead of Jedrick Wills.

Thanks for that btw.

Or Becton or Wirfs. I mean, the pick led directly to them being able to draft Jesus Hair Guy while the f-ing Browns are looking to head to the playoffs for the second straight season because they heavily invested in their OL.

garion333 wrote:

Or Becton or Wirfs.

Truth. That turned out to be a great group.

But no, Jacksonville HAD to "replace Jalen and Ngakoue" with their two first rounders, no matter what, because improving in some other area instead was inconceivable.

And thus, C.J. Henderson and K'Lavon Chaisson became Jaguars. One is already an ex-Jaguar, and the other is in danger of losing his starting spot (Jihad Ward is outperforming him).

Drafting Henderson was such an outlier, it's rare for a Jaguars pick to not turn out well. Particularly a first-round one.

Coach Matt Nagy said on Monday that all three Chicago quarterbacks -- Justin Fields, Andy Dalton and Nick Foles -- are under consideration to start on Sunday versus the Detroit Lions after Week 3's 26-6 loss to the Cleveland Browns.

Come on Nagy.

Don't f*ck this up. I need you to keep your job so the Bears continue to be a dumpster fire in plain sight that only hasn't been addressed because of the dumpster fires floating in a flood.

That's ok, I don't think Dan Marino would do well with that o-line I saw yesterday.

Paleocon wrote:

My buddy says "At the start of the season, everyone was asking if the NFL had figured out Lamar Jackson. Maybe we should have been asking instead if they had figured out Patrick Mahommes.".

I mean a big fat NO to both. In the same way that the Rams didn't "figure out the Bucs". Football is a tough team game and even though the quarterback is the biggest deciding factor, there's so many other components that can sink an individual game (see: Hollywood "Drops" Brown, Clyde "Butter Sticks" Hilaire, Orlando "Turnstyle" Brown). Having an elite quarterback just buys you a lot more room for error. When everything around you goes bad (see: scheme, injuries, turnover luck, spending too much on Defense *cough cough* Ravens, spending too much on O-Line rather than guys who can get separation *cough cough* Chiefs) not even an all-world QB can save you.

The Bucs had an off game, ran too much, and couldn't beat the second best team in their conference.

Mahomes hasn't been peak level Mahomes this year. His big time throw rate is down, his turnover worthy play rate is up. How much of that is him compensating for lack of a third option in the passing game? How much of that is him over compensating for asking for an O-Line because that was the problem and now trying to live up to that? How much of it is Andy Reid losing a touch in the scheme game? How much of it is the Defense being a complete sieve? I heard a great quote around "putting the pressure on your offense to score every single sequence is a quick way to lose". I'm looking hard at the Chiefs and Seahawks in that space.

Top 10 players NFL teams have "figured out":

10. "Figured Out"
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7. Flawed
6. Concept
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4. Basis
3. In
2. Reality
1. The Chicago Bears offensive line

In the O-line's defense, almost none of the guys Fields was throwing to Sunday were actually open.

Even the Ravens' coaches are out with injuries.

Ouch

Come on Peyton, ask Saban about "deez nuts", you coward.

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Love my QB.

I can find nothing to disagree with in this article about Saquon Barkley and his time in New York.

A wasted opportunity...

I'm a Giants fan and I don't disagree with a word of that. Like Odell, like Sam Darnold, like anyone stuck playing in NY sports right now, they deserve to go somewhere better-run and try to live out their potential, than being stuck on this ship perpetually taking on water but never fully sinking.

I love the ship metaphor! The Giants never quite get bad enough to encourage a total teardown that was needed.

My own view is that the team should have parted company with Eli at the end of the 2017 season when their record was 3-13. instead, they hung on for two more season while disposing of players like Odell Beckham Jr and Jason Pierre- Paul. (Sorry. $65 million in guarantees only the previous year, OBJ. And 2020 Super Bowl Champion, JPP.)

The last four years have felt like watching a team acquiring and disposing of all the right pieces... at precisely the wrong time. That takes real skill.

I'm expecting carnage at management level at the end of this season. I predict a cascade of firings. Judge will get rid of Garrett to save his job. Gettleman will get rid of Judge for the same reason. Mara will get rid of Gettleman to placate the fanbase...

I was talking with a buddy at work and we got onto the subject of building the worst NFL franchise possible. This Frankenfranchise would be the combination of the worst elements of the worst franchises currently in the NFL. Here was my first go at it.

Owner Daniel Snyder (Football Team)
GM Nick Caserio (Texans)
Head Coach Matt Nagy (Bears)

Paleocon wrote:

I was talking with a buddy at work and we got onto the subject of building the worst NFL franchise possible. This Frankenfranchise would be the combination of the worst elements of the worst franchises currently in the NFL. Here was my first go at it.

Owner Daniel Snyder (Football Team)
GM Nick Caserio (Texans)
Head Coach Matt Nagy (Bears)

Joe Douglas would like to have a word with you and your buddy.

Pink Stripes wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

I was talking with a buddy at work and we got onto the subject of building the worst NFL franchise possible. This Frankenfranchise would be the combination of the worst elements of the worst franchises currently in the NFL. Here was my first go at it.

Owner Daniel Snyder (Football Team)
GM Nick Caserio (Texans)
Head Coach Matt Nagy (Bears)

Joe Douglas would like to have a word with you and your buddy.

The rumor is that Caserio turned down three ones and three twos for Deshaun Watson during the draft.

On that decision alone he should go down in history as the most incompetent executive since Ethelred the Unready.

Paleocon wrote:

I was talking with a buddy at work and we got onto the subject of building the worst NFL franchise possible. This Frankenfranchise would be the combination of the worst elements of the worst franchises currently in the NFL. Here was my first go at it.

Owner Daniel Snyder (Football Team)
GM Nick Caserio (Texans)
Head Coach Matt Nagy (Bears)

You don't need a Frankenfranchise when the Meyer/Baalke Jaguars already exist.

Paleocon wrote:

I was talking with a buddy at work and we got onto the subject of building the worst NFL franchise possible. This Frankenfranchise would be the combination of the worst elements of the worst franchises currently in the NFL. Here was my first go at it.

Owner Daniel Snyder (Football Team)
GM Nick Caserio (Texans)
Head Coach Matt Nagy (Bears)

Not enough ex-Seahawks coaches.

*Legion* wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

I was talking with a buddy at work and we got onto the subject of building the worst NFL franchise possible. This Frankenfranchise would be the combination of the worst elements of the worst franchises currently in the NFL. Here was my first go at it.

Owner Daniel Snyder (Football Team)
GM Nick Caserio (Texans)
Head Coach Matt Nagy (Bears)

You don't need a Frankenfranchise when the Meyer/Baalke Jaguars already exist.

Or the Caserio/Culley Texans

Paleocon wrote:

Or the Caserio/Culley Texans

The McNair/Easterby/Caserio/Culley Texans. Woof.