NFL 2021: The Week 2 thread

Was Thursday Night Football just... good?

Love being a Giants fan.

*Legion* wrote:

One of these days, I will get iaintgotnopants to see my Sleeper messages and trade offers.

Don't hold your breath, ha. I gave up on that train.

Wow, and I thought losing a game on a fumble with 2 min left was bad. That was brutal.

Looking at the replay of the offside on the field goal... Lawrence is moving almost simultaneously with the ball. If he managed to get into the neutral zone before the ball moved, it was by the tiniest of margins.

*Legion* wrote:

One of these days, I will get iaintgotnopants to see my Sleeper messages and trade offers.

Website is bad. I click on the messages tab and see no messages. Probably best to just message me on Steam. I'm more likely to see it.

Prederick wrote:

Love being a Giants fan.

We should form a support group. I have seen that ending to football games, except the losing team had Brown shirts and orange helmets.

We will get Viking fans on board, Falcon fans too. And once it heads south, we will get the Bills fans.

*Legion* wrote:

Was Thursday Night Football just... good?

So was Monday night. And last Thursday night.

Sunday night's game wasn't good (either on paper or in actuality), and the Sunday night game is usually among the top 2-3 games of the week.

Something's up.

It's almost like we don't know who is good or bad yet...?

Yeah, we're still effectively in the preseason and teams don't have a ton of tape on the other teams just yet.

staygold wrote:
Emmes wrote:

I can't tell if the Giants D is significantly worse than last year, or whether washington team football is actually good with Taylor Heinicke.

I think Heinicke is solidly average. ...

It's hard to tell bc last night was only Heinicke's third start as a pro.

1. Week 16, 2018 (Panthers): Subbing for a beaten down Cam Newton, Heinicke threw 53 passes and had 3 INTs in a loss to the Falcons. He left the game briefly for treatment of a (non-throwing) elbow injury, then promptly went on IR.

2. Playoffs after 2020 season (WFT): You remember Heinicke diving for the end zone against the Bucs? You also remember that WFT almost beat the Bucs.

3. Last night (WFT)

I thought he looked pretty good last night considering he's essentially a rookie, albeit a rookie whose final college season was 2014. Obviously hard to tell if it's a one-off or the start of something. My biggest concern is that he's small -- short and slight. One good sack and he's back on IR.

PS: Guy was a star at Old Dominion. His sophomore season at ODU, he threw for 5,000+ yards and won the Walter Payton award. He and ODU were terrifying that year -- they were scoring 40-50-60 points per game.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:
Prederick wrote:

Love being a Giants fan.

We should form a support group. I have seen that ending to football games, except the losing team had Brown shirts and orange helmets.

We will get Viking fans on board, Falcon fans too. And once it heads south, we will get the Bills fans.

I'm gonna chalk this one up to Danny Dimes being hit while throwing. Even Tim Tebow made that throw, so it has to be hit getting hit. Unless Danny Dimes is a worse QB than Tim Tebow?!?!

garion333 wrote:

Yeah, we're still effectively in the preseason and teams don't have a ton of tape on the other teams just yet.

Ya this is the preseason! Right?!?!

Season starts this week! I like that!

*Legion* wrote:
garion333 wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

But I already have bad knees! I fit perfectly!

Nah, that's a Jacksonville thing.

Oh please. Besides James Stewart, Fred Taylor, Tavian Banks, Greg Jones, Maurice Jones-Drew, Rashad Jennings, Denard Robinson, T.J. Yeldon, Carlos Hyde, Leonard Fournette, and James Robinson, name a Jaguars running back who had knee injuries.

Speaking of the Jags, twas reading this FO post about Tyrod Taylor and the Pistol. I kept seeing 45 looking like an amateur. Turns out he was the Jags 1st round pick last year? Yowza. No wonder he's mostly on the bench. He probably needs to stay there.

Word of Muth on Chiefs:

Brown made it very clear he wanted to play left tackle this season, but the early returns are not good. He looks like a guy that is playing an unnatural position. His footwork is all out of whack and it looks ugly.

That's exactly what he looks like, like he's tripping over his own feet. Not sure how many meaningful snaps Baby Zeus took this summer, but it's clear he needs to take a lot more. Otherwise he'll be moving back to the right side. Do the Chiefs have a true LT on the roster right now?

garion333 wrote:

Speaking of the Jags, twas reading this FO post about Tyrod Taylor and the Pistol. I kept seeing 45 looking like an amateur. Turns out he was the Jags 1st round pick last year? Yowza. No wonder he's mostly on the bench. He probably needs to stay there.

Ah, I see you've met K'Lavon Chaisson. Jacksonville's Clelin Ferrell. He didn't fare well as a hand-on-the-ground 4-3 edge rusher, but so far he's making up for it by not being very good as a stand-up 3-4 OLB edge rusher either (which was his college position, hence people hoping the scheme switch would pay off).

If you go back to the draft thread, I was pretty meh on this pick at the time ("not sure he's value at #20"). The Jags had two 1st round picks, and while Chaisson has been the least productive, I'm still most mad about the CJ Henderson pick (aka the "pass on Jedrick Wills and gift him to Cleveland instead" pick).

Man, does Jacksonville have so little to show for those two 1st rounders.

Regarding Heinicke, yeah, he looks good, but lots of young QBs look good until defensive coordinators get some tape on them. When Bruce Gradkowski had to start as a rookie, he had a few good games before defenses figured out he only threw short, and they clamped up and he became, well, Bruce Gradkowski, eternal backup. Heinicke has the advantage of a lot of anonymity right now, so after 3-4 games, I would expect things don't look quite so good.

Speaking of Jags and not getting stuff from 1st round picks...

Seen on Reddit:

"Kadarius Toney has fewer receiving yards this season than Travis Etienne"

Through 2 games, Toney has made 2 catches for minus-2 yards.

But Toney is killing Etienne in PPR scoring

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

But Toney is killing Etienne in PPR scoring

Points Per Rap?

I doubted the Travis Etienne pick at first, but with only one foot he's better than a first-round WR. Clearly, Urban Meyer knows what he's doing.

Etienne probably faked his injury so he wouldn't have to waste his rookie year getting a real injury on a dead team that'll lose its head coach by week 10. This way he'll be ready for next year when Brian Schottenheimer is the head coach and the Jags will be a real contender.

garion333 wrote:

This way he'll be ready for next year when Brian Schottenheimer is the head coach

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*Legion* wrote:
garion333 wrote:

This way he'll be ready for next year when Brian Schottenheimer is the head coach

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Better option:

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MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Regarding Heinicke, yeah, he looks good, but lots of young QBs look good until defensive coordinators get some tape on them. When Bruce Gradkowski had to start as a rookie, he had a few good games before defenses figured out he only threw short, and they clamped up and he became, well, Bruce Gradkowski, eternal backup. Heinicke has the advantage of a lot of anonymity right now, so after 3-4 games, I would expect things don't look quite so good.

That's probably right. But he also has Scott Turner calling plays (a plus), some good WRs and a better than average TE. He might be end up being OK. In the NFC East, a team with an OK QB is a serious threat to win the division.

So, Philly fans, how “for real” is Jalen Hurts so far?

I saw he got a lot of praise for week 1. I also saw he was like dead last in air yards per throw at 3.4. I saw the stat that Jalen Reagor’s 6 catches had a combined total of 6 air yards.

What’s he showing so far besides the super short throws?

Coverage maps

Disappointed that Louisville isn't getting Denver games. They get Baltimore games all the time but the city loves Teddy too dammit.

They should stretch the San Francisco coverage map further down south. SLO and Santa Barbara are LA territory? LA itself is barely LA territory. Put the line at Ventura.

*Legion* wrote:

So, Philly fans, how “for real” is Jalen Hurts so far?

I saw he got a lot of praise for week 1. I also saw he was like dead last in air yards per throw at 3.4. I saw the stat that Jalen Reagor’s 6 catches had a combined total of 6 air yards.

What’s he showing so far besides the super short throws?

Usually mix of realists and hyped fans. We have seen this so many times before that we aren’t fooled in the least. Though the fact he didn’t do many stupid things is at least a huge upgrade over Wentz. But I fully expect the hype to die down tremendously after Sunday when he plays against a real defense.

Incidentally there is far more excitement and hype over our “new” left tackle

Browns at Texans early (obviously) and Cowboys at Chargers or Falcons at Bucs late for me. I'd complain, but I don't see what games I would rather have.