Steam Deck

Balthezor wrote:
Fuzzballx wrote:
Balthezor wrote:

This is what I got. I didn't know it went through. Should I keep trying? I didn't get an email confirmation.

Check your AMEX online for a pending transation.

Damnit, I dont see it there.

I'd Retry.

Steam WILL NOT LET YOU PURCHASE TWO. Once the purchase is successful it will not let you try to buy a 2nd.

Fuzzballx wrote:

Steam WILL NOT LET YOU PURCHASE TWO. Once the purchase is successful it will not let you try to buy a 2nd.

Make another Steam account and order a second Deck on Sunday.

*Legion* wrote:

The main thing that Proton struggles to support is the anti-cheat systems (other than VAC) in some online games. Which definitely is something anyone interested in the Steam Deck should be aware of.

BattleEye supposedly is working with Valve to function in a Proton environment. If that ever comes together, the number of red titles will shrink significantly.

Circling back around to this, the Steam Deck FAQ states that they plan to get both BattlEye and Easy Anti-Cheat working with Proton in time for the Steam Deck launch. That's great news. Supporting those two would take a whole lot of red text off of the Proton compatibility charts.

I'm sure what must have been an absolute ton of preorders today will help Valve's case that Proton is something worth supporting.

Dyni wrote:

Still a string of errors on my end.

Edit: Looks like the initial reservation period is over now. Damn.

I'm glad I didn't close down my cart page. I just tried again and it went through. 53rd time's a charm.

Some of my wonderings about what we'll be able to run on this is the end are:

Blizzard games like Diablo 2 remastered?

Origin games like Star Wars Squadrons and Dragon Age 3/4?

Epic games/store. (the devs were basically like no problem in that video a couple pages back about installing the epic store) This would be especially nice with all the free games i've gotten from epic.

I'm wondering if you'll have to change it to windows for those or if origin and epic and blizzard stores have linux versions. I've never even bothered to find out that kind of thing before now.

I'm guessing info will start coming out on the details of such things in the next 2-4 months.

Took me a while but I got my reservation in. Looking forward to learning more about this thing.

Well people play Battle.net games like Overwatch and Diablo 3 on Linux via Wine/Lutris. Probably a good chance D2 remaster will be made to work as well.

As for EGS, there's now an open source client called Heroic Games Launcher for running Epic store games in a Linux environment.

I am still not sure why people keep saying there is no reason for a Switch now. Is there a SteamOS emulator for the Switch?

farley3k wrote:

I am still not sure why people keep saying there is no reason for a Switch now. Is there a SteamOS emulator for the Switch?

I mean, it depends on what you want a Switch for.

For Nintendo first-party titles? Obviously this doesn't replace that.

For a bunch of indie titles, or just "I want a good portable gaming system" needs? Then yeah.

Portable play of indies and PC ports were the primary reason I bought a Switch, so this is definitely an upgrade for that. And presumably I can use the thumbsticks and not worry about them developing drift.

That makes a bit of sense but I just can't believe that is the majority of Switch owners. When look at the 10 best selling Switch games I don't think any would be ported unless there is a great emulator and good roms.

And personally after playing the find roms, use custom software route for years it is not something I want to get back into.

To be fair I may get one but I still think the Switch is a necessary console in my collection.

The Switch is a necessary console for those people who enjoy Nintendo exclusives.

The Steam Deck might be an excellent alternative/supplement for those people who want to play PC games on the go.

Y'all are not disagreeing with each other.

Balthezor wrote:

This is what I got. I didn't know it went through. Should I keep trying? I didn't get an email confirmation.

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I don't know if this will be any help at this point, but I had that same issue. I checked my bank info, didn't see the charge, canceled the transaction and tried again. Then I got my reservation.

I expected the $399 to run out real quick, but it seems like there might have been plenty since everyone else is going for the superior storage.

farley3k wrote:

I am still not sure why people keep saying there is no reason for a Switch now. Is there a SteamOS emulator for the Switch?

It's the problem of echo chambers and being in tight-knit groups with a specific mentality towards hobbies like gaming. You start assuming everyone has your values. For me, the JoyCons still make the Switch a desirable device, and for anyone that enjoys using games with Motion Controls, or games that capitalize on Motion Controls well, the JoyCons are still worthwhile. For example, I'm not about to play Fitness Boxing on the Steam Deck.

However, I am curious what percentage of Switch games continue to be exclusive to it. Once upon a time I'd say the Switch is becoming the place for more obscure Japanese games, but so many of those titles are releasing on PC as well (though plenty with Denuvo because Japan's gotta be a decade behind in some fashion). So if your Switch is your JRPG machine, well, the Steam Deck might be a better JRPG machine, especially for developers unable to optimize as well as id can (just compare the Ys IX graphics between PC/PS4 and Switch. Yuck.).

And if you're the sort to play dating games, well guess what? Most of 'em on Steam, and developers offer the X-Rated patches for free if that's to your pleasure (which, around here, I'm assuming it's not, but hey, the market is there).

Honestly though, I think anyone buying this needs to make sure they perceive it as a temporary device. Unlike a PC, you won't be upgrading this thing, so it's going to age out just like a console, and I continue to have doubts that it'll have a successor. So it's more of a stop-gap until the Switch Pro.

I feel like I'm the perfect market demographic for this thing.

I just looked back over last years GOTY thread here and only 1 of my Top 10 games were on console. And all of them were indies.

So while it will be interesting to see how AAA's perform on Deck, I'm not gonna be rushing out there to play Cyberpunk on the machine. Closest I'll get are one-offs like Fallout 4 (BGS fanboy here) & Death Stranding.

Much like *Legion* I always looked at Switch as an interesting option to play a select batch of indies on the go. But having my bread & butter genres, strategy/simulation/management, virtually non-existent on the platform kinda dampened my enthusiasm.

So it's like Gabe came along and said, "Hey, you want a Switch alternative that's more powerful and plays all the games & genres you already love...you already own?"

Well the no-brainer enthusiasm becomes kind of apparent at that point.

So maybe I am part of that niche audience mentioned above. But man, the prospect of new portable hardware coming online that seamlessly plays thousands of titles I already own, with all the cool perks (Workshop mods, cloud saves, etc.) just has me giddy as all get out.

Aaron D. wrote:

I feel like I'm the perfect market demographic for this thing.

You would probably be the first person I'd think of, for sure.

ccesarano wrote:

And if you're the sort to play dating games, well guess what? Most of 'em on Steam, and developers offer the X-Rated patches for free if that's to your pleasure (which, around here, I'm assuming it's not, but hey, the market is there).

Anime titties while on the toilet. There's the Steam Deck sales pitch.

I haven't upgraded my rig in nearly a decade; every few months I start looking at parts just to do some mental math; with the Deck at $400 or even at $560, a 'new' system that can play pretty much anything at mid-settings at 720 doesn't seem that awful. At least not to me.

Out of curiosity, how much would it cost to build a PC that matches these specs?
I wouldn't mind having the Deck decked 98% of the time with some minor traveling.

Hobbes2099 wrote:

Out of curiosity, how much would it cost to build a PC that matches these specs?
I wouldn't mind having the Deck decked 98% of the time with some minor traveling.

PCPartPicker has some entry level gaming builds in the $800-900 range, but that is taking current supply chain issues into consideration. Under normal conditions the same build would probably be in the $600 range. Heck maybe even down to the $500 range once you can get a modest GPU for $100 or so again. This would be more of a 1080p machine than 720p though. You could probably toss in a 6 or 7 year old GPU and getting high settings at 720p.

Hobbes2099 wrote:

Out of curiosity, how much would it cost to build a PC that matches these specs?

It's hard to make a matching build, because we don't yet have Ryzen APUs with RDNA 2 GPU cores in them as desktop CPU parts. Zen 3 APUs are releasing next month, but they still use Vega-based graphics. All the RDNA 2 APUs have gone into the consoles and now this new handheld.

But we're probably looking at something in the ballpark of a Ryzen 3100 quad core CPU ($175), an RX 560 ($200), a bottom tier B450 motherboard ($60), 16GB RAM ($70), 256GB NVMe drive ($40) for the mid-tier model... that puts us at $545 without any case, peripherals, power supply, or display.

Realistically, though, if comparable APUs were available, we'd be able to throw out the RX 560 and we'd have probably a ~$250 or so CPU instead, which would bring us down to $420.

This device is not at all priced unreasonably. In fact, quite the opposite. Gabe Newell said hitting these price points for the Steam Deck was "painful, but critical", and I believe it.

I hope this is a huge success so Microsoft will finally be convinced to make a Handheld gaming specific Surface device.

*Legion* wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

And if you're the sort to play dating games, well guess what? Most of 'em on Steam, and developers offer the X-Rated patches for free if that's to your pleasure (which, around here, I'm assuming it's not, but hey, the market is there).

Anime titties while on the toilet. There's the Steam Deck sales pitch.

"Excuse me, I need to go to the bathroom and play with my Deck."

RDNA2 support for variable rate shading and fidelityfx super resolution could end up being critically important to how this runs new AAA games. Modern video cards use a lot of performance techniques that older hardware can’t. I would have loved to see DLSS here but that would have required an Nvidia GPU and Nvidia doesn’t make x86 CPUs so there isn’t an option there that would run PC games on one chip. Using a separate CPU and GPU isn’t feasible in a handheld for various reasons.

merphle wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

And if you're the sort to play dating games, well guess what? Most of 'em on Steam, and developers offer the X-Rated patches for free if that's to your pleasure (which, around here, I'm assuming it's not, but hey, the market is there).

Anime titties while on the toilet. There's the Steam Deck sales pitch.

"Excuse me, I need to go to the bathroom and play with my Deck."

Valve should get these guys to make them a commercial (NSFW?!?)

TheGameguru wrote:

I hope this is a huge success so Microsoft will finally be convinced to make a Handheld gaming specific Surface device.

Branding-wise, every Surface device so far, even the phone, has played to productivity, and to demonstrate new hardware form factors for their OSes. Steam Deck doesn't come with Windows, so a Signature Experience installation without crapware wouldn't be a selling point. And do they really want to try and undercut that entry model? Besides, if the SteamOS browser can run the PWA version of Game Pass, why bother selling their own PC handheld at all? People could just put Windows on the Steam Deck themselves.

It would only make sense as a literal handheld Xbox, running that selection of games, and being eligible for Game Pass. Otherwise it's too hard to make the hardware profitable on its own or ensure software margins to cover any losses on it.

merphle wrote:

"Excuse me, I need to go to the bathroom and play with my Deck."

And here is where we term the user-base "Deckheads".

Kurrelgyre wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

I hope this is a huge success so Microsoft will finally be convinced to make a Handheld gaming specific Surface device.

Branding-wise, every Surface device so far, even the phone, has played to productivity, and to demonstrate new hardware form factors for their OSes. Steam Deck doesn't come with Windows, so a Signature Experience installation without crapware wouldn't be a selling point. And do they really want to try and undercut that entry model? Besides, if the SteamOS browser can run the PWA version of Game Pass, why bother selling their own PC handheld at all? People could just put Windows on the Steam Deck themselves.

It would only make sense as a literal handheld Xbox, running that selection of games, and being eligible for Game Pass. Otherwise it's too hard to make the hardware profitable on its own or ensure software margins to cover any losses on it.

Because Microsoft makes really good hardware and software…and for a quality device I’d pay what a good gaming laptop would cost.

It is amusing to check the Activity section of your profile in the Steam client and see just how many friends "bought" the deposit. And that one sneaky one that somehow bought two on the same account.

A bit of analysis but lots of speculation

pandasuit wrote:

A bit of analysis but lots of speculation

Rich is the guy who's almost always spot on.

I’m curious to see if Valve tries to push game config profiles out that optimize games for the Deck. In one of their videos on IGN they mentioned things can be tweaked as much as any other PC game but should run well by default. Thing is, PC games often run non-optimally on all hardware until tweaked. Made me think they might include something like Nvidia Geforce Experience’s settings optimizer. I know what I’m doing when I configure a PC game and I still don’t want to tweak things a ton on anything except eSports games. One of the selling points about a closed system like Switch is your games come preconfigured with good enough settings and the game dev has optimized the game for that specific hardware (usually).

Jealous seeing you all get pre-orders. At least by the time it comes to Australia there will be some hands on I suppose, but this device sounds perfect for me.