NFL 2021: The preseasoning

I remember really liking his when he was on the Browns, and wondering why we didn't try harder to keep him on the team. I really hope that this wasn't the reason.

The final Football Outsiders Anti-Dynasty Rankings article is out. Being it's titled "Cleveland Browns Don't Rock", you can guess who the "winner" was. It's a pretty brutal bit of history.

You want poor drafting? Take Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, Barkevious Mingo, Justin Gilbert, Johnny Manziel, Danny Shelton, Cameron Erving, and Corey Coleman, all taken in the first round between 2012 and 2016. You want legendary players seeing their careers wasted? Ernie Nevers, meet Joe Thomas. You want Al Davis-esque cycling through head coaches? How about no coach lasting more than two years since Romeo Crennel in 2005? You want eternal floundering, trying to find an answer at quarterback? By my count, the Browns had 15 different first-string quarterbacks—not injury replacements, not temporary benchings for disciplinary reasons, but 15 different guys trotted out because they were considered the best option the Browns had. Five of those guys were first-round picks. None were any good. (OK, Baker Mayfield has turned into "any good," at a bare minimum, but he wasn't in 2019, so I'm sticking with my point!)

Man, to see it condensed down is quite a beautiful thing. The 80s/early 90s Bucs would have "won" but they had those unfortunate playoff runs around 1980 or so that ruined their chances, so, congrats, Cleveland.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

The final Football Outsiders Anti-Dynasty Rankings article is out. Being it's titled "Cleveland Browns Don't Rock", you can guess who the "winner" was. It's a pretty brutal bit of history.

You want poor drafting? Take Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, Barkevious Mingo, Justin Gilbert, Johnny Manziel, Danny Shelton, Cameron Erving, and Corey Coleman, all taken in the first round between 2012 and 2016. You want legendary players seeing their careers wasted? Ernie Nevers, meet Joe Thomas. You want Al Davis-esque cycling through head coaches? How about no coach lasting more than two years since Romeo Crennel in 2005? You want eternal floundering, trying to find an answer at quarterback? By my count, the Browns had 15 different first-string quarterbacks—not injury replacements, not temporary benchings for disciplinary reasons, but 15 different guys trotted out because they were considered the best option the Browns had. Five of those guys were first-round picks. None were any good. (OK, Baker Mayfield has turned into "any good," at a bare minimum, but he wasn't in 2019, so I'm sticking with my point!)

Man, to see it condensed down is quite a beautiful thing. The 80s/early 90s Bucs would have "won" but they had those unfortunate playoff runs around 1980 or so that ruined their chances, so, congrats, Cleveland.

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Only thing we've won since 1964.

Spoiler:

But if I find out that they cut Nassib for being gay, that is what will cause me to quit this narcotic.

The 'Aints section was good too:

We have entered the realm of generational terribleness; a terribleness that seeps so deep into the DNA of a franchise that it becomes synonymous with them in a way that is very, very difficult to ever scrub out. When we talk about the Bengals' Lost Decade or the AFL Broncos or the Matt Millen Lions, we're talking about specific eras; periods of badness that can be isolated off, analyzed and dissected. But when you start talking about 20 years of failure, that's something different.

A Saints fan could have been born, grown up, left school, got a job, gotten married, and had Saints fan kids of his own, all without experiencing a single winning season. That's no longer a football team that is bad, that's a football team defined by being bad.

Weird to think that, because of the Bucs and Saints and sometimes the Falcons the NFC South is (very arguably) the best division in football these days.

But if I find out that they cut Nassib for being gay, that is what will cause me to quit this narcotic.

I don't think there's any reason to believe the Browns cut Nassib due to anything in his personal life.

Nassib didn't really start to put it together until he got to Tampa. And the Browns had invested a ton of draft capital at the DE spot (a 1st, two 2nds, and two 3rds in a 4 year span), making a crowded position group. Nassib was one of those 3rds, and the oldest one.

He's also a bit of a hybrid player. He's not a bendy, devastating edge rusher. He's kind of a strongside edge defender who has some burst to contribute in the pass rush, but is never going to be a 10+ sack guy. Tampa would stand him up as a 3-4 outside linebacker.

Nassib was drafted when Ray Horton was the Browns DC, but Horton only lasted 1 year, and he didn't really fit the Gregggggggg felony assault "attacking" defense that was installed in year 2. He fits better in the Paul Guenther multiple-front scheme he's in now.

Regardless of anything that happens on the field, you cannot knock a team for drafting Barkevious Mingo. He has the best name in the history of professional sports.

iaintgotnopants wrote:

Regardless of anything that happens on the field, you cannot knock a team for drafting Barkevious Mingo. He has the best name in the history of professional sports.

And yet, arguably only the 2nd best name in his sibling group, next to brother Hughtavious Mingo.

My favorite names for an athlete has always been a basketball player that played at UVA while I was there, Majestic Mapp, and his brother, Scientific Mapp.

Pour one out for Craphonso Thorpe.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Pour one out for Craphonso Thorpe.

He became a cop and was arrested for domestic violence.

Also, he apparently was foreclosed on the year before the domestic incident.

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Pour one out for Craphonso Thorpe.

He became a cop and was arrested for domestic violence.

Also, he apparently was foreclosed on the year before the domestic incident.

So his life went to Crap?

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

So his life went to Crap?

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Giving a like because HAIM.

So which NFL coaching staff is Herm Edwards going to land on?

Jax or SF probably.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Jax or SF probably. ;)

Given Herm's close ties with John Lynch, the thought of him landing in SF did cross my mind.

And hey, in Jacksonville, they could stick his scandal on the shelf behind all of Urban Meyer's.

He's gotta land on someone's staff though, at least until Pete Carroll retires and the Seahawks start looking for their next Pac-12 rules violator head coach.

Breakdown of Danny Dimes last year.

EDIT: In link form since NFL hates embeds.

WFT fined $10 million for unethical conduct relating to female employees.

And yet nothing really happened to Dan Snyder who claims that he wasn’t in the office

The AP wrote:

The team was not stripped of any draft picks as part of the league’s discipline that was announced Thursday stemming from lawyer Beth Wilkinson’s investigation that began last summer.

The investigation revealed that ownership and senior officials paid little attention to sexual harassment and other workplace issues. NFL special counsel for investigations Lisa Friel described it as a culture of fear.

“The culture at the club was very toxic and fell short of the NFL’s values and we hold ownership to a higher standard,” Friel said.

Snyder says his wife Tanya will be in charge for the “next several months.” Tanya Snyder was named co-CEO on Tuesday. The NFL made no mention of Snyder being formally suspended.

Janet Nova, the league’s deputy general counsel for media and business affairs, said Dan Snyder stepping away for that time was “voluntary” and not a mandate. Tanya Snyder will represent Washington at all league functions.

The league says Wilkinson interviewed more than 150 people, including current and former employees. Friel said individual allegations were not made part of Wilkinson’s report because of confidentiality agreements requested by many people.

Wilkinson recommended establishing protocols for reporting harassment, a disciplinary action plan and regular training for employees. She also said the cheerleading team — which is now a co-ed dance team was part of several changes Washington has made over the past year — needed to be protected.

The league praised Snyder for hiring Ron Rivera as coach and Jason Wright as team president among those changes to improve the organization’s culture.

“Over the past 18 months, Dan and Tanya have recognized the need for change and have undertaken important steps to make the workplace comfortable and dignified for all employees,” Commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement. “Those changes, if sustained and built upon, should allow the club to achieve its goal of having a truly first-tier workplace.”

Snyder said in a statement he agrees with the commissioner’s decisions and is “committed to implementing his investigation’s important recommendations.”

“I have learned a lot in the past few months about how my club operated, and the kind of workplace that we had. It is now clear that the culture was not what it should be, but I did not realize the extent of the problems, or my role in allowing that culture to develop and continue,” Snyder said. “I know that as the owner I am ultimately responsible for the workplace.”

It makes sense that they didn’t lose draft picks. All they did was foster an environment for the ongoing torment of women employees.

It’s not like they did anything really bad, like call a free agent before the signing period, or make a miniscule cap violation in the contract of a practice squad player, or let players have a little too much contact work in an OTA practice.

Listen, some of those women might have kneeled at the national anthem. Totally justifiable.

Outside of the obvious sexist bias involved, which is obvious, the real reason WTF isn't being docked draft picks is because they aren't good. Had WTF won six trophies, or even been in the playoffs when not 7-9 or whatever, then maybe they'd have lost picks.

As it stands, being sexist doesn't impact the game. Keep your picks, give us your money.

Yeah, but $10 mil seems light. But I dunno, I would probably fine every team that for what I am sure is the unreported sexism and sexiest culture. WTF seems to have gone above and beyond.

And I’m leaving the typo in.

Oh, my spelling wasn't a typo.

I love how Dan Snyder’s wife being made co-CEO while Dan takes an unofficial time-out from day-to-day duties is supposed to be some kind of corrective measure. I imagine the league office justification: “well she’s a woman, isn’t she?”

Remember when this was supposedly a threat to Snyder’s ownership?

But, you know, Eddie DeBartolo essentially had to give up control of the 49ers for not reporting that he was being extorted.

Who's got "Washington Corrective Measures" in the name pool?

garion333 wrote:

Oh, my spelling wasn't a typo.

I didn't even realize it was in my first two readings.

Urban Meyer hasn't even coached an NFL game yet, and the Jags have already had two of next year's OTA practices taken away as punishment for violating the contact rules at OTAs this year.

Who knew Urban Meyer had such a tenuous relationship with rules?

N’Keal Harry has asked the Patriots for a trade.

I guess his meeting with Belichick went exactly as depicted.

Yeah, that was indeed a masterpiece.

What will the get for him? A 5th?