NFL 2021: Draft

*Legion* wrote:

Leaf has been doing well in his broadcast career, and he's been super open about his problems in the NFL as well as his drug problems and incarcerations after. He's served as an ambassador for a sober living community to help other addicts as they try and turn things around.

I would be more positive on Leaf in general, if not for his domestic battery charge a year ago. He pled out and avoided jail time, but the charge was "misdemeanor battery of a spouse, ex-spouse, fiance, dating partner or co-parent." And there hasn't been so much openness about that one.

I've been thinking on this a bit since last night and while I have literally no horse in this game because I don't care for or follow Ryan Leaf in any way (heck, I haven't even watched the above clip), I think it might be slightly disingenuous to say he "pled out". I'm not defending his actions here, and best I can tell we have zero info on what went on that day, but instead of fighting the charge and maybe settling something out of court, he admitted his guilt. So, I guess that's better than trying to sweep it under the rug entirely? Still not good but not as bad as it could be. Something like that...

Clearly the guy has issues that run deep. Most addicts do. He's trying though. That's better than a lot of folks out there. So, he gets a bit of credit there.

Edit: I'm open to criticism on my take. I'm not sure if the NFL thread is the place to work through stances on possible abusers, but it is what it is.

No, I think that's an OK take; I was unaware of the domestic battery charge, and, yeah, that makes me feel less good about Leaf's redemption story, but, all things considered, the fact he basically is doing ANYTHING positive with his life was surprising to me. His redemption arc would be much, much better without that, but, for one of the all-time draft flops who eventually went to prison for addiction issues, I'd like to believe he's improving, and he definitely did a solid job in that clip. So . . . I've gone from "hooray Ryan Leaf" to less than entirely positive here based on that charge, but it's not like I was aware at all Ryan Leaf even was doing anything. Hopefully they're steps towards a decent life and he's learned to avoid drugs and assault from now on. Is that wishy-washy enough? Good for him, not good for him, American flags for all.

Hot take: Jags selected Etienne in the 1st so they wouldn't be forced to reneg with him after four seasons. He plays out his five years, then he's gone.

garion333 wrote:

Hot take: Jags selected Etienne in the 1st so they wouldn't be forced to reneg with him after four seasons. He plays out his five years, then he's gone.

Hot Take: Jags selected Etienne in the 1st because Baalke is bad and Urban Meyer hasn't heard of any prospect that wasn't at least a 4-star college recruit.

*Legion* wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Hot take: Jags selected Etienne in the 1st so they wouldn't be forced to reneg with him after four seasons. He plays out his five years, then he's gone.

Hot Take: Jags selected Etienne in the 1st because Baalke is bad and Urban Meyer hasn't heard of any prospect that wasn't at least a 4-star college recruit.

Does Etienne have bad knees?

No. Baalke never feeds on torn ACL juice in round 1.

It's always down in the mid and late rounds, the supposed "this guy would be an early rounder if not for his injury" prospects.

Andre Cisco, Walker Little, and Jalen Camp, pretty nice haul for the first draft of the All-ACL East squad.

Niners media took notice on Day 2 and were rather amused.

MMQB post-draft edition, with some insight on the QB moves in the draft, including how Robert Saleh had Fred Warner give Zach Wilson a hug.

Vic Ketchman's take on the Rodgers situation:

Does GM Vic trade Rodgers? Or force him to retire?

I spoke my mind in advance of this issue. Everybody knows where I stood, so I'll update my position according to the most recent developments and then try to move on because I don't want it to become the only subject matter in this column. It was easy to see this coming. Aaron Rodgers is not a let-it-go kind of guy. We're talking about a man who's still bitter about falling as low as he did in the 2005 draft. The Love pick, especially trading up to draft him, was the proverbial glove across the face. The Packers had to know how Rodgers would react. I refuse to believe Brian Gutekunst picked Love without the approval of Murphy and LaFleur; it's too big to be a one-man act. Now, the Packers have a mess on their hands and I don't know how they can get out of it without giving Rodgers a new contract, and that's problematic because it would explode his potential dead money and devastate future caps. Trade him and plunge into rebuilding? After giving big contracts to Bakhtiari and Jones, restructuring and pushing money out? Also, I have to believe Rodgers' trade value isn't what it was prior to the draft. A record number of quarterbacks were selected. The supply of teams willing to trade for Rodgers has been greatly reduced, and the Packers' position has been weakened. The whole thing has been botched and I can't think of a way for the Packers to clean up this mess without taking a hit. They rushed into the last contract with Rodgers and now they almost have to rush into another one just to make this problem go away. If they don't calm these waters, the distraction they've created will become the Packers' greatest opponent. My inbox is jammed with angst on this subject. It's difficult to find other subject matter on which to write this column. Picking Love without the commitment to move on was a big mistake and it's going to cost the Packers a lot of money. They need to give Rodgers a new contract.

I don't agree with his conclusion, but I agree with the rest. I would move Rodgers, and let having my starting QB on a cheap rookie deal help ease both the hit from Rodgers and the money pushed out on other contracts. It means not getting the full rookie QB cap advantage teams are hunting for, but if I'm the Packers, I screwed myself out of that option from the beginning.

I don't think things with Rodgers will bounce back even with a contract extension. I'd rather get what draft capital I can for Rodgers, start getting his number off of my cap, and see what I have in Love. The picks for Rodgers will be in future years, which is perfect, because if Love ain't it, then that's capital I need to get into position to draft my next QB in 2023.

EDIT: Also, this:

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Jordan Love will make it to 17.

Games, natch.

Rodgers for Derek Carr and irrational amount of picks! Let's go!

Denver vs Vegas! fight for his affection. Loser will face his wrath for the remainder of his career for not wanting him more! He just wants to be loved and control WR roster decisions!

If him staying means he's still upset + the cap #s are broken for years to come (assuming a new contract). Might be time to move on.

garion333 wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Hot take: Jags selected Etienne in the 1st so they wouldn't be forced to reneg with him after four seasons. He plays out his five years, then he's gone.

Hot Take: Jags selected Etienne in the 1st because Baalke is bad and Urban Meyer hasn't heard of any prospect that wasn't at least a 4-star college recruit.

Does Etienne have bad knees?

Apparently Etienne can't pass block, which makes him a one-down back in the NFL. That's fine for a late-round pick, but not for a first-rounder.

jowner wrote:

Rodgers for Derek Carr and irrational amount of picks! Let's go!

Denver vs Vegas! fight for his affection. Loser will face his wrath for the remainder of his career for not wanting him more! He just wants to be loved and control WR roster decisions!

If him staying means he's still upset + the cap #s are broken for years to come (assuming a new contract). Might be time to move on.

Ooookkkay. Baker, OBJ, a second and a conditional fifth.

Enix wrote:

Apparently Etienne can't pass block, which makes him a one-down back in the NFL. That's fine for a late-round pick, but not for a first-rounder.

To be fair, hardly any running back comes out of college these days being able to pass protect. It's one of those nuances that just isn't coached up at the college level. It's the first thing every NFL team has to fix on a running back first entering the league.

That said, I don't expect a whole lot from Etienne in pass protection. When he's on the field in passing downs, it's going to be as a receiver, either out of the backfield or in the slot. Alvin Kamara is the current high-end comparison, but an apt comparison that's a notch down is Reggie Bush. You're not being asked to do a whole lot of pass blocking if you're getting 100 pass targets a year.

Granted, that might require more flexible offensive gameplanning than Seattle Coach Voltron is capable of.

jowner wrote:

Rodgers for Derek Carr and irrational amount of picks! Let's go!

Even the Packers fan is in no hurry to see Jordan Love.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:
jowner wrote:

Rodgers for Derek Carr and irrational amount of picks! Let's go!

Denver vs Vegas! fight for his affection. Loser will face his wrath for the remainder of his career for not wanting him more! He just wants to be loved and control WR roster decisions!

If him staying means he's still upset + the cap #s are broken for years to come (assuming a new contract). Might be time to move on.

Ooookkkay. Baker, OBJ, a second and a conditional fifth.

How on earth is this offer actually getting better. Oh boy.

*Legion* wrote:
jowner wrote:

Rodgers for Derek Carr and irrational amount of picks! Let's go!

Even the Packers fan is in no hurry to see Jordan Love.

Do you blame me. I'm still holding out hope there's another org out there that will actually package back a ready to stand in QB + picks.

I know it's not really rationale but my counter argument is NFL GM's.

Looking forward to him being cut quietly or loudly turned into a repentance moral.

Cleveland Browns sign Malik McDowell, ex-Seattle Seahawks 2nd-round pick yet to play in NFL

Luke Kuechly joined the Panthers as a pro scout in June 2020

In September, he was reported to have "hit the ground running" in his new role.

He apparently resigned a few weeks ago.

Guess he didn't care for the new Panthers GM?

jowner wrote:

Do you blame me. I'm still holding out hope there's another org out there that will actually package back a ready to stand in QB + picks.

Looking at the cap reality of a Carr trade:

As I said last page, the net cap result of a post June 1st Aaron Rodgers trade would be a gain of $16m in 2021 and $22.65m in 2022.

Carr's numbers for the acquiring team would be about $19.5m in 2021 and $19.8m in 2022.

Green Bay would need to make some space to fit Carr's contract as-is for 2021 (they have about $2m and change of cap space right now). But if they were willing to extend Carr, they could probably bring his 2021 number down to get a little breathing room.

On the flip side is the Raiders fitting Rodgers. The good news for them is that Carr would leave very little cap hit behind, just $5m of prorated bonus, which they split across 2 years in a post June 1 trade. So, $2.5m left over from Carr, and $19.5m in net cap savings in 2021, about the same in 2022.

For the receiving team, Rodgers would be about $14.7m in 2021, and $25m in 2022. Green Bay already paid the $6.8m roster bonus for Rodgers in 2021.

So, Vegas could do it. Green Bay could do it with a Carr extension or maybe finding some cap relief elsewhere (Davante Adams extension, perhaps)

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Good luck with that one Mond

This tweet should be an object lesson to every kid in high school who even thinks they could be given a scholarship to play a sport (much less get some pro cash).

Nobody will be nasty to him about that; they'll just be judgmentally passive-aggressive about the quality of his hot dish. He'll be fine.

*Legion* wrote:

Luke Kuechly joined the Panthers as a pro scout in June 2020

In September, he was reported to have "hit the ground running" in his new role.

He apparently resigned a few weeks ago.

Guess he didn't care for the new Panthers GM?

The new regime has gone out of its way to erase all vestiges of the Panthers' recent history. They ran off Cam, most of the roster and now Kuechly.

I suspect Luke will be in Buffalo or maybe DC sooner than later assuming he has any interesting in working in pro football. Maybe he doesn't.

Reportedly, the point where the Rodgers/Packers relationship disintegrated occurred last September, with, of all things, the release of wide receiver Jake Kumerow.

Rodgers apparently liked Kumerow, and had just praised Kumerow publicly and said he considered him a lock to make the roster, when the front office cut him.

For Rodgers, that was a slap in the face. Not only did it make him look like a fool for making those comments, but cutting a receiver Rodgers felt like he was working well with made it seem once again like no consideration was given for Rodgers' perspective on the guys he's tasked to throw to.

The idea that a bubble player like Kumerow could have been such a wedge issue in this relationship is just beautiful. Of course, it's not so much about Kumerow himself, but how his release echoed other WR-dumping moves Rodgers didn't like, like Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb.

I'd love it if Kumerow could wind up getting "verbed' like Wally Pipp; "getting Kumerowed" could mean getting so pissed off by what would normally seem a minor slight that you just nuke everything in sight. Let's make it happen.

Also, to Rodgers' credit, Jake Kumerow had a really impressive 100% catch rate last year for Buffalo.

Spoiler:

He caught the one and only pass thrown his way.

This really became a huge issue in 2018 when the Packers didn't consider Rodgers for a hybrid GM + coach + QB super role.

He's the MVP but ya. Maybe this is less a Packers org problem and more of a Rodgers one.

I won't be trying to defend coaching decisions, especially of coaches who have been let go.

jowner wrote:

This really became a huge issue in 2018 when the Packers didn't consider Rodgers for a hybrid GM + coach + QB super role.

He's the MVP but ya. Maybe this is less a Packers org problem and more of a Rodgers one.

I won't be trying to defend coaching decisions, especially of coaches who have been let go.

I don't know but Seattle has a similar issue so maybe it IS an org thing? I'm not a big fan of divas BUT if your franchise QB is asking for more WRs or OL to up their game and there is film that it is true, constantly ignoring them or doing the opposite is prob not good.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Also, to Rodgers' credit, Jake Kumerow had a really impressive 100% catch rate last year for Buffalo.

Spoiler:

He caught the one and only pass thrown his way.

You left out the most important part.

It was a touchdown.

Put him in the Hall of Fame.

Spoiler:

Right before Edelman.

This really became a huge issue in 2018 when the Packers didn't consider Rodgers for a hybrid GM + coach + QB super role.

He's the MVP but ya. Maybe this is less a Packers org problem and more of a Rodgers one.

I won't be trying to defend coaching decisions, especially of coaches who have been let go.

karmajay wrote:
jowner wrote:

This really became a huge issue in 2018 when the Packers didn't consider Rodgers for a hybrid GM + coach + QB super role.

He's the MVP but ya. Maybe this is less a Packers org problem and more of a Rodgers one.

I won't be trying to defend coaching decisions, especially of coaches who have been let go.

I don't know but Seattle has a similar issue so maybe it IS an org thing? I'm not a big fan of divas BUT if your franchise QB is asking for more WRs or OL to up their game and there is film that it is true, constantly ignoring them or doing the opposite is prob not good.

Maybe?

Russell Wilson is aggrieved because he's getting ground into a pulp.

Rodgers is aggrieved because bubble WRs have got cut and he wants to be player manager? This isn't the NBA and I doubt the NFL will ever be at that level of player influence/involvement when it comes to rosters.