NFL 2021: The offseason and draft thread

*Legion* wrote:
Vector wrote:

This is a huge improvement going into the 2020 season considering the common assumption was Stefanski was a puppet.

Yeah it would be interesting to hear if the Browns dropped all that "hours-long Monday meeting with the owner" and analytics team craziness or if Stefanski found a way to tiptoe through those landmines and still find a way to run the team. Or if we're just still in the honeymoon period because the team's winning, and the rest of the org is just lying in wait until the team starts losing before they start pushing for their fiefdoms again.

Stefanski is the analytics department's pick. There's no more three headed monster competitively reporting to Jimmy Haslam, so if it all nosedives quickly it's likely because of Haslam. A standard nosedive due to injuries, lack of talent, is possible but a full-on implosion would have to be Haslam's mucking, Andrew Berry quitting or analytics quitting.

*Legion* wrote:

Apparently teams that have called Seattle to inquire about Russell Wilson have walked away with the impression that the asking price starts around three 1st round picks.

Given what John Schneider has spent his 1st round picks on lately, I hope to Football Jesus that someone takes them up on it.

Hahaha at Schneider's drafting. It's funny because it's true.

Quick thought experiment. What collection of draftees would you need to get to make this work out in your favor?

Would genuinely be interested in GWJ answers (for your teams, I just picked some SEA combos below).

Russell Wilson for:
Cortez Kennedy
Walter Jones
Steve Largest

Russ for:
DK Metcalf
Richard Sherman
Bobby Wagner

Russ for:
Earl Thomas
Bobby Wagner
Jamal Adams

I mean, who do you think you're going to get with those three picks that is going to make up for your replacement level QB? In a QB league?

I wonder how much of this is Pete's adherence to smash mouth football and the idea that a great D plus good running game is what you really want. So shop your thrower baller and get your tackler downers and your runner ballers. Leverage your desires against what the rest of the league covets.

One Hall of Fame caliber QB is going to be more valuable than three Hall of Famers at any non-QB position, so I don't think there's any trade calculus one can work that tips the scale in the favor of the team giving up the QB, at least without factoring in various age levels and contract lengths (as I often repeat, there's no such thing as trading for players. You are trading for a player's contract).

I don't think there's any deal out there Seattle can get that is going to equal the value of a 32-year-old Russell Wilson with 3 years on his deal at cap figures (for the buying team) of $19m, $24m, and $27m. The only guaranteed money that would travel with Wilson would be that his $19m of 2021 salary is fully guaranteed. Most of his guarantees were in signing bonus that stays on Seattle's cap.

But if the situation between player and team is truly deteriorating, it becomes less about equal value and more about just getting as much value as the market will give. I honestly didn't think much of the first sounds of discord between RW and the Seahawks, but supposedly things are souring on both sides.

All I know is people talking trash will get D batteries to the head if I ever meet you. Philly rules. Kabeltown for ever.

garion333 wrote:

Or folks in Philly are assholes?

TheGameguru wrote:

All I know is people talking trash will get D batteries to the head if I ever meet you. Philly rules. Kabeltown for ever.

Never change, Philly.

WFT will cease to be the WFT in 2022.

They will be... we don't know! Only that there will be a name.

They've launched a website to chronicle the "journey" to their new identity. They throw the word "journey" around like they're on an episode of The Bachelor.

Make sure to load up on your WFT merchandise while you can.

So, the Washington Bachelors? And only Jesse Palmer is allowed to be the QB?

Washington Pinkskins, with Scott Bakula as the mascot.

*Legion* wrote:

One Hall of Fame caliber QB is going to be more valuable than three Hall of Famers at any non-QB position, so I don't think there's any trade calculus one can work that tips the scale in the favor of the team giving up the QB, at least without factoring in various age levels and contract lengths (as I often repeat, there's no such thing as trading for players. You are trading for a player's contract).

I don't think there's any deal out there Seattle can get that is going to equal the value of a 32-year-old Russell Wilson with 3 years on his deal at cap figures (for the buying team) of $19m, $24m, and $27m. The only guaranteed money that would travel with Wilson would be that his $19m of 2021 salary is fully guaranteed. Most of his guarantees were in signing bonus that stays on Seattle's cap.

But if the situation between player and team is truly deteriorating, it becomes less about equal value and more about just getting as much value as the market will give. I honestly didn't think much of the first sounds of discord between RW and the Seahawks, but supposedly things are souring on both sides.

I'm skeptical of any reporting like that until the player actually says they want out. Everything else is just propaganda. Wasn't there a bunch of similar reporting leading up to his latest extension that led people to believe he'd be moved or allowed to walk? And then of course there was all the stuff during his early years about how all his teammates hated him. Maybe he's talking about management being a bunch of f*ck-ups because he's lonely and wants some friends.

*Legion* wrote:

WFT will cease to be the WFT in 2022.

They will be... we don't know! Only that there will be a name.

They've launched a website to chronicle the "journey" to their new identity. They throw the word "journey" around like they're on an episode of The Bachelor.

Make sure to load up on your WFT merchandise while you can.

I thought the name was stupid at first, but it really grew on me over the course of the season. I hope they just stick with WFT, or let Snyder talk them into something even more offensive than their previous name.

Washington Prime does have a nice ring to it...

I go away for a few hours and this thread lights up!

-Rus for Baker, OBJ, and our First. Who says no?

-Still rooting for the Washington Redtails, or the Washington American. I would accept the Washington Primes if their mascot was a robot that transformed into a delivery truck.

-Stefanski and the Analytics team are lock step. If this heads south it is the guy who defrauded trucking companies with his truck stops.

Infyrnos wrote:

Washington Prime does have a nice ring to it...

Great. Is they are going to bring Deon back

Rat Boy wrote:

Washington Pinkskins, with Scott Bakula as the mascot.

Deep

Oh this is where y'all have been hanging out.

Let me know if there's 49ers news.

Or Lamar gets some help.

Or whatever happens with Teddy B.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

-Rus for Baker, OBJ, and our First. Who says no?

If you try to sell Baker and OBJ any harder than you have been, you're liable to catch a human trafficking charge.

*Legion* wrote:
UpToIsomorphism wrote:

-Rus for Baker, OBJ, and our First. Who says no?

If you try to sell Baker and OBJ any harder than you have been, you're liable to catch a human trafficking charge.

Normally, sure, but he's trying to get them out of Cleveland. He's just as likely to catch a Nobel Peace Price nomination.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
UpToIsomorphism wrote:

-Rus for Baker, OBJ, and our First. Who says no?

If you try to sell Baker and OBJ any harder than you have been, you're liable to catch a human trafficking charge.

Normally, sure, but he's trying to get them out of Cleveland. He's just as likely to catch a Nobel Peace Price nomination.

I'd drive them to the airport myself. Or hire Tiger to do it.

Spoiler:

Too soon?

Paleocon wrote:

Jeff Bezos?

And here I thought anyone would make a better owner than Snyder. Not so sure now.

garion333 wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

Jeff Bezos?

And here I thought anyone would make a better owner than Snyder. Not so sure now.

Well, we know what Danny Boy can do. We are only pretty sure we know what Bezos the Clown can do (as an NFL owner, let's be clear). Which is better: the over-privileged rich white asshole you know or the over-privileged rich white asshole you think you know?

I hope Danny stays because f*ck that franchise.

Didn't know Bezos was seen in such a bad light.

I'm not even sure the other owners would even approve the sale unless the $$$ was so absurd and in turn raised the bar of what their franchises are worth.

For some reason I don't think Jerry Jones and Bezos would be best friends. This btw is probably a positive to Bezos.

Part of me says that Bezos could be good for the team. The other part reminds me that he is certainly capable of f*cking up passion projects.

jowner wrote:

Didn't know Bezos was seen in such a bad light.

He's changed in the past 10 years.

Or, at least, he's dropped the pretense of being a decent person and instead is, well, Lex Luthor.

Stele wrote:

Or whatever happens with Teddy B.

I'll let you know when the Panthers dump him. Seems like only a matter of time at this point.

The latest was someone pointing out that Bridgewater has unspecified "physical limitations" that make Carolina want to try someone else at QB in 2021.

Which is utter horseshirt. Teddy B was their handpicked guy after the fragile egomaniacs who coach the Panthers dumped their Alpha dog QB. Then they put Bridgewater in a lot of bad situations and asked him to do a lot of difficult stuff and are all like, eh, he's not so great.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Bridgewater physically that can't be fixed with a replacement-level O-line and not the revolving door they installed at LT last year.

Meanwhile, trade for Deshaun Watson already.

The betting odds for who the next Patriots starting QB is gonna be are great. In order:

Marcus Mariota 5/2
Jacoby Brissett 7/2
Jarrett Stidham 4/1
Cam Newton 5/1
(any) rookie Quarterback 5/1
Blaine Gabbert 7/1
Andy Dalton 8/1
Deshaun Watson 10/1
Brian Hoyer 12/1
Joe Flacco 15/1
Mike Glennon 15/1
Jimmy Garoppolo 15/1
Blake Bortles 20/1
Colt McCoy 20/1
Tyrod Taylor 20/1
Ryan Fitzpatrick 20/1
Sam Darnold 25/1
Geno Smith 25/1
Robert Griffin III 25/1
Matt Barkley 30/1
Mitchell Trubisky 40/1
Jake Dolegala 40/1
Dak Prescott 50/1
Jameis Winston 50/1
Ben Roethlisberger 60/1
Matt Ryan 70/1

Looks like the Steelers are rolling with Rapistburger for another year.

Paleocon wrote:

Looks like the Steelers are rolling with Rapistburger for another year.

*Legion* wrote:

Ben Roethlisberger 60/1

Former 49ers WR (and Bakersfield area legend) with one of the best names in NFL history, Dick Witcher has passed away at age 76.

The idea of Belichick staring from the sidelines as Jameis Winston throws his fifth pick-six of the season in game three . . . that's some potential high comedy right there.