NFL 2021: The offseason and draft thread

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

He'll hold out, it'll be a toxic circus, and he'll eventually be forced to play.

I'm going to predict the opposite. I expect he never takes a snap for Houston again, even if it means a Trent Williams style sitting out.

He has the leverage. He'll be just as valuable a year from now. But the new coach and GM can't afford to get nothing out of that asset. If he doesn't play, they have to get his value back in trade.

The real new GM is a motivational speaker widely considered to be a leech attached to a moron of an owner, and I think he's the kind of guy for whom the symbolism of hanging tough and Doing The Right Thing is more important than winning. If you stick to your guns, everybody will see how right you are and Jesus will be happy.

They *should* trade him, but they should not have sent DeAndre Hopkins to Arizona for peanuts in return, traded away draft asset or draft asset, or hired a guy like Easterby to run the organization, because he's currently renting out mining equipment to see how much more into the hole he can put that team.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

The real new GM is a motivational speaker widely considered to be a leech attached to a moron of an owner, and I think he's the kind of guy for whom the symbolism of hanging tough and Doing The Right Thing is more important than winning. If you stick to your guns, everybody will see how right you are and Jesus will be happy.

Well that's even easier. You wear a "Gay Jesus" t-shirt on Monday and you'll be in your new city by Wednesday.

The 49ers have promoted Adam Peters to assistant GM, which is fantastic news.

Hopefully this is a stepping stone to him ultimately taking the GM job over, because if he doesn't ultimately get it, someone else will hire him away.

*Legion* wrote:

Wentz and Pederson reportedly
didn't speak to each other for much of the 2020 season.

If only they bonded over their mutual love of the Hitman franchise.

*Legion* wrote:
garion333 wrote:

How about the Watt bros playing together in Pittsburgh? Even more terrifying.

Pittsburgh is the current betting favorite, but the salary cap makes that a lot harder a destination.

It's not a good year to be a FA. As a Steelers fan, my semi-realistic hope is that JJ signs for a year somewhere like Cleveland, and then we do get a year of the Watt Bros in 2022 after he's worth closer to the veteran minimum but before he hangs it up. The Steelers cap situation is all sorts of bad, and we're going to have to lose some of our FAs like Mike Hilton, Cameron Sutton, Juju, Bud Dupree, all of which we need more than an expensive old OLB.

Having said all of that, I've always enjoyed going to Primanti Bros and love their pitch to JJ Watt. https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/20...

*Legion* wrote:

Wentz and Pederson reportedly
didn't speak to each other for much of the 2020 season.

It's interesting to wonder how much of the fault lies where. The Eagles saw fit to dump both of them pretty much simultaneously, Wentz just took longer from trade negotiating.

I'd like to see Wentz turn it around, by most accounts Philly is a broken environment these days, and he wanted out just like Deshaun Watson.

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Nothing portends future success as a professional athlete like the obvious question being "hey, can this guy actually play his sport." Absolutely accurate, and hilarious.

There's another recent QB who had questions like this, even after having made a deep playoff run and nearly making the Super Bowl. I can't quite remember his name...

Despite beating Pittsburgh in the postseason, I don't know if Tebow should play QB.

YouTube randomly threw this Tom Grossi guy up as a suggestion after the Super Bowl, and I watched some of his videos; it's vaguely amusing NFL comedy, the usual "pretend to be a fan of X team and react in some exaggerated way" thing. This one it suggested this morning? This is GOLD.

Colts WR Michael Pittman Jr. (son of FRESNO STATE legend Michael Pittman) says he will not be giving up his jersey #11 to incoming QB Carson Wentz.

So Certis, how is this going to affect your mood on the new team?

*Legion* wrote:

Colts WR Michael Pittman Jr. (son of FRESNO STATE legend Michael Pittman) says he will not be giving up his jersey #11 to incoming QB Carson Wentz.

So Certis, how is this going to affect your mood on the new team?

I am sure Michael Pittman will get a very nice new car and a #81 jersey

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

and a #81 jersey

Colts TE #81 Mo Alie-Cox: "... the f*ck...?"

*Legion* wrote:

Colts WR Michael Pittman Jr. (son of FRESNO STATE legend Michael Pittman) says he will not be giving up his jersey #11 to incoming QB Carson Wentz.

So Certis, how is this going to affect your mood on the new team?

Just tell him the 1's are reversed, win win.

Certis wrote:

Just tell him the 1's are reversed, win win.

I said his dad went to Fresno State, not him.

Apparently teams that have called Seattle to inquire about Russell Wilson have walked away with the impression that the asking price starts around three 1st round picks.

Given what John Schneider has spent his 1st round picks on lately, I hope to Football Jesus that someone takes them up on it.

Eagles felt Wentz "couldn't handle hard coaching".

Certis is a sensitive boy?

Or folks in Philly are assholes?

Don't get me wrong, the picture being painted is Certis is a ego maniac, but I can't help but feel all we're getting is Philly in PR damage mode.

Has Wentz actually been traded yet? I want this whole thing to fall apart and the Eagles to just be a toxic dumpster fire. NFL is more fun when there are multiple franchise flailing around.

garion333 wrote:

Or folks in Philly are assholes?

Don't get me wrong, the picture being painted is Certis is a ego maniac, but I can't help but feel all we're getting is Philly in PR damage mode.

For sure, but that's not nearly as fun.

Vector wrote:

Has Wentz actually been traded yet?

Yes, he's in Indianapolis now.

Vector wrote:

Has Wentz actually been traded yet? I want this whole thing to fall apart and the Eagles to just be a toxic dumpster fire. NFL is more fun when there are multiple franchise flailing around.

Wentz was officially traded, but the Eagles are still a mess. I mean, they're not Texans mess, but they can happily live in the same general area as the Jets, WTF/WFT, and Jaguars (who are in that zone until they prove they aren't).

Thanks. His wikipedia page hadn't been updated and I saw a suggested article that mentioned the trade was at a "stalemate".

Vector wrote:

Thanks. His wikipedia page hadn't been updated and I saw a suggested article that mentioned the trade was at a "stalemate".

His real name is "Carson Wentz". I think you might have been looking at the Wiki page for "Shawn Andrich".

garion333 wrote:
Vector wrote:

Thanks. His wikipedia page hadn't been updated and I saw a suggested article that mentioned the trade was at a "stalemate".

His real name is "Carson Wentz". I think you might have been looking at the Wiki page for "Shawn Andrich".

Weird! When I "click Shawn Andrich" on wikipedia it just loops back to "Carson Wentz".

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I mean, they're not Texans mess, but they can happily live in the same general area as the Jets, WTF/WFT, and Jaguars (who are in that zone until they prove they aren't).

Browns fans unaccustomed to their team not being on this list. This is usually the part of the dream right before they wake up.

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I mean, they're not Texans mess, but they can happily live in the same general area as the Jets, WTF/WFT, and Jaguars (who are in that zone until they prove they aren't).

Browns fans unaccustomed to their team not being on this list. This is usually the part of the dream right before they wake up.

It's been a few years since the Browns owner took advice from a homeless guy on what QB to draft, so, you know, baby steps. They're currently on dysfunction probation, and hanging out with the Lions who are also tragically bad, but just that little bit less of a trainwreck.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

It's been a few years since the Browns owner took advice from a homeless guy on what QB to draft, so, you know, baby steps. They're currently on dysfunction probation, and hanging out with the Lions who are also tragically bad, but just that little bit less of a trainwreck.

I honestly have more faith in the Browns with Stefanski piloting the ship than I do the Lions with their new deranged cartoon character head coach.

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

It's been a few years since the Browns owner took advice from a homeless guy on what QB to draft, so, you know, baby steps. They're currently on dysfunction probation, and hanging out with the Lions who are also tragically bad, but just that little bit less of a trainwreck.

I honestly have more faith in the Browns with Stefanski piloting the ship than I do the Lions with their new deranged cartoon character head coach.

This is a huge improvement going into the 2020 season considering the common assumption was Stefanski was a puppet.

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

It's been a few years since the Browns owner took advice from a homeless guy on what QB to draft, so, you know, baby steps. They're currently on dysfunction probation, and hanging out with the Lions who are also tragically bad, but just that little bit less of a trainwreck.

I honestly have more faith in the Browns with Stefanski piloting the ship than I do the Lions with their new deranged cartoon character head coach.

Absolutely. Also, there's a really important reason why the Lions didn't make my list of dysfunctional franchises; I forgot they existed. Which, for the Lions, may genuinely be an improvement.

Crazy. I guess as a fan of a college football team that hasn't won its Superbowl in 60 years its hard for me to comprehend whats happened in Philadelphia. I get Foles/Wentz, Pederson/Reich but seriously this team won everything just 3 years ago and now its being blown up.

We were ready to build a statue for Steve Mariucci's ONE season at Cal where he won a grand total of six games.

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I mean, they're not Texans mess, but they can happily live in the same general area as the Jets, WTF/WFT, and Jaguars (who are in that zone until they prove they aren't).

Browns fans unaccustomed to their team not being on this list. This is usually the part of the dream right before they wake up.

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Vector wrote:

This is a huge improvement going into the 2020 season considering the common assumption was Stefanski was a puppet.

Yeah it would be interesting to hear if the Browns dropped all that "hours-long Monday meeting with the owner" and analytics team craziness or if Stefanski found a way to tiptoe through those landmines and still find a way to run the team. Or if we're just still in the honeymoon period because the team's winning, and the rest of the org is just lying in wait until the team starts losing before they start pushing for their fiefdoms again.