[Discussion] Police, White Nationalists, and the Rise of Fascism

SMBC gets it almost right.

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This is simply a refinement of what is already the fundamental problem with American policing. That being that it is primarily about punishing violators and public safety is only a silly afterthought of the process. Particularly since the advent of metrics based policing, the aim has been to juice the numbers of busts and citations rather than provide an outcome that leaves communities safer, freer, and more functioning. As such, police, police unions, prosecutors, local, municipal, and state governments all conspire to make all manner of harmless behavior illegal to inflate statistics and justify their employment.

American policing is fundamentally broken. All AI does is automate it.

Paleocon wrote:
Malor wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

I honestly think that Officer Kim Potter sincerely thought she was tasing Daunte Wright when she shot him.

Is it normal behavior to scream TASER when you're pulling a taser? That sounds very odd to me. It sounds like a deliberate, at-the-moment lie, which would make it premeditated murder.

In other words, if that's not normal procedure, this was a straight-up execution, not some case of simple confusion.

It is actually.

They do this for a number of different reasons, but primary among them is, ironically, to prevent other officers from discharging their weapons at the suspect when it is the aim of the arresting officer to utilize less lethal force.

Can also confirm. Normal behavior.

Why even taser him at all.. let him run.. it was a minor offense that will eventually get worked out by the system.

TheGameguru wrote:

Why even taser him at all.. let him run.. it was a minor offense that will eventually get worked out by the system.

Letting them go defeats the entire purpose of stopping people for highly dubious reasons, like having an air freshener. The entire point is to use the traffic stop as an excuse to run everyone in the car and see who can be arrested. Arresting people is good for the stat machine and makes the officer look good to their bosses, makes those bosses look good to the mayor so the mayor can crow about what they're doing to make the streets safer.

OG_slinger wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

Why even taser him at all.. let him run.. it was a minor offense that will eventually get worked out by the system.

Letting them go defeats the entire purpose of stopping people for highly dubious reasons, like having an air freshener. The entire point is to use the traffic stop as an excuse to run everyone in the car and see who can be arrested. Arresting people is good for the stat machine and makes the officer look good to their bosses, makes those bosses look good to the mayor so the mayor can crow about what they're doing to make the streets safer.

Exactly. Just as the TSA is security theater.

Good project managers know you get what you measure. Change the measurements, you change the behavior.

Paleocon wrote:

Exactly. Just as the TSA is security theater.

I'll never forget traveling after the shoe bomber, back when I was still a smoker. TSA wanted me to throw away my Zippo lighter as it was on the verboten list. Not wanting to throw fifty bucks in the trash, I bargained them down to removing the inner case which contains everything that actually makes it work.

As I was doing this I asked them how they prevent people who use matches instead of lighters from bringing those fire-starting things on a flight. They said they don't worry about matches mostly because they're invisible to x-rays and they'd never notice them. After that I used matches when traveling and never once got stopped in security.

Former Minnesota Police Officer To Be Charged In Death Of Daunte Wright
Former Brooklyn Center police officer Kim Potter will be charged with second-degree manslaughter after fatally shooting the 20-year-old Black man.

JLS wrote:

I agree with you, oily, and OG.

My point is: Non-lethal means are an improvement over police carrying firearms. I don't care who invents them.

Less-Lethan, not non-lethal. tazers are absolutely lethal in some cases even when used properly.

Paleocon wrote:
Phishposer wrote:

The police don't need improvement. They need to go away.

American policing is as broken and morally bankrupt as American health care.

The problem isn't that American Policing in broken. The problem is that is it still operating as it was intended to when it was created.

thrawn82 wrote:
JLS wrote:

I agree with you, oily, and OG.

My point is: Non-lethal means are an improvement over police carrying firearms. I don't care who invents them.

Less-Lethan, not non-lethal. tazers are absolutely lethal in some cases even when used properly.

Police invented a non-medical diagnosis called "excited delirium" specifically to justify the killing of folks with tasers. Basically, it is the idea that the subject was under the influence or undergoing a mental crisis that would have killed him anyway even if a taser were not deployed. It is bullsh*t, of course, but is so often utilized as a defense that it is pretty well canon in internal affairs investigations. It is precisely the one being used in the Chauvin defense.

Damn, just watched the footage of the Chicago 13 year old who was shot and killed. Kid was chased down an alleyway after police saw them near a spot where shots were reported as fired. Chased this kid, he ran down, chucked a gun past where he was running, stopped, turned around with hands up and was immediately shot. Yes he had a gun or painted airsoft, not sure which, and fully complied, still shot, then died. This officer did immediately attempt aid and requested help but maybe if he wasn't so amped up he wouldn't have shot him...Such sad footage.

After the body cam footage the weapon is shown but also a camera from across the alley shows it from another perspective.

I’m at the point where I can’t watch it. My bandwidth is all used up and I need to defrag my hard drive.

I wonder where the 2A folks will be on this one.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I wonder where the 2A folks will be on this one.

2A is about fear of black people, or maintaining white supremacy, so I know exactly where they will be at.

What the actual F...

In a lengthy email, Stillman’s attorney Tim Grace said Toledo left the officer no choice but to shoot.
“The juvenile offender had the gun in his right hand ... looked at the officer which could be interpreted as attempting to acquire a target and began to turn to face the officer attempting to swing the gun in his direction,” Grace wrote. “At this point the officer was faced with a life threatening and deadly force situation. All prior attempts to deescalate and gain compliance with all of the officer’s lawful orders had failed.”

HAD a gun in his hand, past tense....Looking at an officer is now a threat... Following orders of an officer is now a threat... And yes, orders hadn't been followed previously but the kid, A CHILD, decided to stop and follow orders and gets shot and killed.

Burn it all down. It's not working.

interesting

Police called on teen practicing ROTC drills in his backyard with a fake gun

Spoiler, the kid is black.

Thankfully he wasn't gunned down in his own yard. But this is some next level nosy racist neighbor bullsh*t.

*"Killing in the Name" playing softly in the background*

US police and public officials donated to Kyle Rittenhouse, data breach reveals

The Guardian wrote:

A data breach at a Christian crowdfunding website has revealed that serving police officers and public officials have donated money to fundraisers for accused vigilante murderers, far-right activists, and fellow officers accused of shooting black Americans.

In many of these cases, the donations were attached to their official email addresses, raising questions about the use of public resources in supporting such campaigns.

The breach, shared with journalists by transparency group Distributed Denial of Secrets, revealed the details of some donors who had previously attempted to conceal their identities using GiveSendGo’s anonymity feature, but whose identifying details the website preserved.

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Among the donors were several associated with email addresses traceable to police and other public officials.

One donation for $25, made on 3 September last year, was made anonymously, but associated with the official email address for Sgt William Kelly, who currently serves as the executive officer of internal affairs in the Norfolk police department in Virginia.

That donation also carried a comment, reading: “God bless. Thank you for your courage. Keep your head up. You’ve done nothing wrong.”

The comment continued: “Every rank and file police officer supports you. Don’t be discouraged by actions of the political class of law enforcement leadership.”

Another Rittenhouse donor using an official email address was Craig Shepherd, who public records show is a paramedic in Utah. This donor gave $10 to Rittenhouse on 30 August.

Donations also came to Rittenhouse associated with official email addresses for Keith Silvers, and employee of the city of Huntsville, Alabama, and another $100 was associated with the official address of Michael Crosley, an engineer at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, a body which is charged with maintaining the US’s nuclear weapons stockpile.

Meanwhile, several Wisconsin police officers donated to a fundraiser, “Support Rusten Sheskey”, held for the Kenosha police department officer whose shooting of a black man, Jacob Blake, led to the protests that drew Rittenhouse to the city.

Two $20 donations to Sheskey’s fund were associated with email addresses of a pair of lieutenants in Green Bay, Wisconsin’s police department. One, given under the name, “GBPD Officer”, was tied to an address associated with Chad Ramos, a training lieutenant in the department; another anonymous donation was associated with Keith A Gehring, who is listed as a school resources officer lieutenant.

Another donation to Sheskey was associated with the official email address of officer Pat Gainer of the Pleasant Prairie, Wisconsin police department. Given under the screen name “PPPD Motor 179”, the donation also carried the comment: “Stay strong brother.”

About 32 more donations, totaling more than $5,000, came to Sheskey from private email addresses associated with Kenosha officers, but under badge numbers rather than names.

More anonymous donations on the site came from city employees of Houston, Texas, who were objecting to the actions of the then police chief, Art Acevedo, who fired four Houston police officers after they shot and killed a man, Nicolas Chavez, who was on his knees, and in an apparent mental health crisis.

One anonymous donation of $100 was associated with the official address of that city’s fire chief, Samuel Peña, who has himself faced recent employee revolts over cost-cutting, but who has been publicly supportive of Acevedo, describing him in a tweet as a “brother & partner in Public Safety” in March, when Acevedo announced that he would be taking up an appointment as Miami’s chief of police.

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In an email, the Green Bay police chief, Andrew Smith, wrote of the donations that “we are looking into the matter”, but added on Sheskey’s actions that his department “does not take a position on other agencies use of force”.

Lynda Seaver, director of public affairs at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, wrote in an email that Michael Crosley had made “an honest mistake”, and had “never intended to use his Lab email on this matter”.

All other agencies and individuals who were included in the Guardian’s reporting did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

In other news grifter and piece of sh*t and living skeleton Pat Robertson seemingly has had enough or at least knows better go switch sides is coming out against police and guns after the recent mn death due to taser switch up and evidence against Chauvin.

OG_slinger wrote:

*"Killing in the Name" playing softly in the background*

US police and public officials donated to Kyle Rittenhouse, data breach reveals

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It is not the least bit shocking but we need to constantly expose this kind of thing so that there is data to back up discussions about the problem.

farley3k wrote:

It is not the least bit shocking but we need to constantly expose this kind of thing so that there is data to back up discussions about the problem.

Not just data, but actual,actionable intelligence that can be used to make sure racists are outed and lose their jobs, especially those in law enforcement and politics.

farley3k wrote:

It is not the least bit shocking but we need to constantly expose this kind of thing so that there is data to back up discussions about the problem.

I’m shocked.

I just read the Wikipedia entry on KR. It detailed his crimes. Police on the scene let KR walk away from the scene with his AR-15 slung around his chest.

I think it’s ironic that these law enforcement members love KR enough to donate to his defense fund, but only love him enough to send $10 to $25. “Here’s the money I was going to use to buy me and my girlfriend a Starbucks. Stay strong brother.”

Hilarious

That’s just the natural fiscal resting point between a ‘f*ck you, I’ve got mine’ attitude and a desire to externalise bone-deep racist principles. Like the token shell separating two matryoshka dolls made of sh*t.

Trump loyalists start ‘America First Caucus’ to promote U.S. as ‘uniquely Anglo-Saxon’

Washington Post wrote:

Far-right Republicans in Congress are forming an “America First Caucus” that would promote nativist policies, according to materials outlining the group’s goals first obtained by Punchbowl News.

Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and Paul A. Gosar (R-Ariz.) are reportedly behind it, with Reps. Barry Moore (R-Ala.) and Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.) signed on as early members. Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), who faces federal and House Ethics Committee investigations over allegations of sexual misconduct and illicit drug use, tweeted that he was joining Greene in the caucus.

“We will end wars, stop illegal immigration & promote trade that is fair to American workers,” said Gaetz, who has denied all allegations against him.

A seven-page document that lays out policy positions for the caucus includes nativist language and perpetuates the falsehood that there was widespread fraud and corruption in the 2020 election. According to the document, the group says it seeks to advance former president Donald Trump’s legacy, which means stepping “on some toes” and sacrificing “sacred cows for the good of the American nation.”

In a section on immigration, the document describes the United States as a place with “uniquely Anglo-Saxon political traditions” and argues that “societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country, particularly without institutional support for assimilation and an expansive welfare state to bail them out should they fail to contribute positively to the country.”

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The formation of the “America First Caucus” and the response to it from McCarthy and Cheney illustrate the growing polarization within the GOP between those who have embraced Trump as the party’s leader and those few who have tried to distance themselves from the former president. McCarthy in particular has attempted to straddle the two factions, criticizing some of Trump’s actions while trying not to alienate his supporters.

The ideas outlined in the “America First Caucus” document indicate just how far to the extreme right some Republican lawmakers stand — and feel comfortable openly expressing such opinions. The document calls to suspend all immigration, saying such pauses are "absolutely essential in assimilating the new arrivals and weeding out those who could not or refused to abandon their old loyalties and plunge head-first into mainstream American society.”

On infrastructure, the caucus calls for the construction of roads, bridges and buildings that reflect “the architectural, engineering and aesthetic value that befits the progeny of European architecture, whereby public infrastructure must be utilitarian as well as stunningly, classically beautiful, befitting a world power and source of freedom.”

The caucus also criticizes U.S. foreign aid, blasts coronavirus restrictions as an overreaction, and suggests the country’s education system “is actively hostile to the civic and cultural assimilation necessary for a strong nation.”

So the nazi party has a new name and shiny coat of paint.

So they love Europe now or...

This article provides historical background on the use of the term Anglo-Saxon in American and British politics. Spoiler - It's exactly what you'd expect given the racist symbology of Trumpism. (The author is a post-doc at U Toronto with a specialization in the contributions of non-white people in early medieval England, and more generally the study of race in that place and time.)

Dr. Mary Rambaran-Olm wrote:

During British (and afterwards American) imperialism and colonization, the racial meaning of ‘Anglo-Saxon,’ became the most dominant usage of the term, rather than a historical reference to pre-Conquest England. This white supremacist movement in Euro-America has used the term ‘Anglo-Saxon’ to justify racial violence and colonial genocide for at least 200 years. The racial meaning throughout the English-speaking world deepened and came to be associated crudely with whiteness. ‘Anglo-Saxon’ has become a supremacist dog-whistle reinforcing the idea of the ‘Anglo-Saxon race’ as an indigenous group in England. It suspiciously erases the fact that the Angle and Saxon peoples were ‘migrants’. The term’s association with whiteness has saturated our lexicon to the point that it is absurdly misused in political discourse.

Man, the Alt-Right really "won" long-term, didn't they? A huge chunk of their notions and ideas are basically becoming mainstream conservatism.

Also, hey Italians! You're not white again!