[Discussion] Police, White Nationalists, and the Rise of Fascism

Natus wrote:

Wil Stancil on Twitter had an interesting take on white supremacist culture in videogames. I've been wondering why we had all these games with Northern European types looking like Proud Boys.

I dunno, the Occam's Razor explanation is that it probably has as much to do with Skyrim making Scrooge McDuck money while being set in Fantasy Scandinavia as anything else.

hbi2k wrote:
Natus wrote:

Wil Stancil on Twitter had an interesting take on white supremacist culture in videogames. I've been wondering why we had all these games with Northern European types looking like Proud Boys.

I dunno, the Occam's Razor explanation is that it probably has as much to do with Skyrim making Scrooge McDuck money while being set in Fantasy Scandinavia as anything else.

If you look at Stancil's second tweet in the thread, where he posts image examples, it becomes harder to deny. The various warriors all resemble each other and resemble Proud Boys. Hard to believe it's just a coincidence with the game design.

The Battlefield and CoD images I'll buy, as those designs are front-and-center in the marketing, and are also in a modern context where the parallels are more explicit.

The Fortnite image is reaching-- it's a screenshot, not marketing, and that game has a lot of very diverse character designs to choose from. It would be weirder if they DIDN'T have a bald bearded white guy.

Not sure about Dad of Boy, his design doesn't look much different than it ever did other than the beard.

I definitely had that thought after back to back Valhalla and Valheim.

Did GWJ already discuss this somewhere?
History Man histories Valhalla Which is more focused on actions than appearances.

It's so frustrating. Mythology can obviously be problematic but to have whole sets of stories poisoned by the alt-right f*cking sucks.

Danjo Olivaw wrote:

I definitely had that thought after back to back Valhalla and Valheim.

Did GWJ already discuss this somewhere?
History Man histories Valhalla Which is more focused on actions than appearances.

Thought-provoking read. Thanks for the link!

Via NPR:
Proud Boys' History of Violence

As a bonus, from the same article, this photo of Nordean drinking a PBR on his way to the insurrection is priceless: PBR

Looks like a black Army medic was nearly murdered by police near Richmondd. After pepper spraying and brutally assaulting him, they allegedly told him to "keep quiet" or they would charge him with evading and obstruction.

American policing is broken.

NORFOLK, Va. -- A second lieutenant in the U.S. Army is suing two Virginia police officers over a traffic stop during which the officers drew their guns, pointed them at him and used a slang term to suggest he was facing execution.

Body camera footage shows Caron Nazario, who is Black and Latino, was dressed in uniform with his hands held in the air outside the driver's side window as he told the armed officers, "I'm honestly afraid to get out.”

“Yeah, you should be!” one of the officers responded during the stop at a gas station.

Nazario says his constitutional rights were violated by the traffic stop in the town of Windsor in December. The two sides in the case are disputing what happened after a second police officer joined the first one in the stop.

Windsor Police Officer Daniel Crocker radioed he was attempting to stop a vehicle with no rear license plate and tinted windows. He said the driver was “eluding police” and he considered it a “high-risk traffic stop,” according to a report he submitted afterward and which was included in the court filing.

Another officer, Joe Gutierrez, was driving by when he heard Crocker’s call, saw him attempting to stop the SUV and decided to join the traffic stop.

According to the lawsuit, when the two officers got out, they immediately drew their guns and pointed them at Nazario as he sat in his SUV. The officers then attempted to pull Nazario out of the vehicle, who continued to keep his hands in the air. Gutierrez then stepped back and pepper-sprayed Nazario multiple times as officers yelled for him to get out of the car.

“I don't even want to reach for my seatbelt, can you please? ... My hands are out, can you please — look, this is really messed up,” Nazario stammered, his eyes clenched shut, upon being pepper-sprayed.

The officers shouted conflicting orders at Nazario, telling him to put his hands out the window while also telling him to open the door and get out, the lawsuit says. At one point, Gutierrez told Nazario he was “fixin’ to ride the lightning,” a reference to the electric chair.

Nazario got out of the vehicle and again asked for a supervisor. Gutierrez responded with “knee-strikes” to his legs, knocking him to the ground, the lawsuit says. The two officers struck him multiple times, then handcuffed and interrogated him.

The Associated Press reached out to Windsor police for comment, but an email was not returned and their voice mailbox was full.

Crocker and Gutierrez still work for the department, according to the town manager. Windsor is about 70 miles (112 kilometers) southeast of Richmond.

DEFUND THE POLICE AND THEIR UNIONS/ASSOCIATIONS

Imagine my surprise when a Christian fundraising site allows white supremacists to raise millions of dollars.

Proud Boys and other far-right groups raise millions via Christian funding site

The Guardian wrote:

A data breach from Christian crowdfunding site GiveSendGo has revealed that millions of dollars have been raised on the site for far-right causes and groups, many of whom are banned from raising funds on other platforms.

It also identifies previously anonymous high-dollar donors to far-right actors, some of whom enjoy positions of wealth, power or public responsibility.

Some of the biggest beneficiaries have been members of groups such as the Proud Boys, designated as a terrorist group in Canada, many of whose fundraising efforts were directly related to the 6 January attack on the United States Capitol.

The breach, shared with journalists by transparency group Distributed Denial of Secrets, shows the site was used for a wide range of legitimate charitable purposes, such as crowdfunding medical bills, aid projects and religious missions.

But the site’s permissive stance towards far-right actors meant groups who had been banned from other fundraising platforms and payment processors following episodes of hate speech and violence have also used the platform.

Across at least 11 crowdfunding campaigns associated with the Proud Boys, members of the group, including some now facing conspiracy charges related to the Capitol attack, raised over $375,000. Some of these fundraisers netted large amounts of money in a short period.

After the Proud Boys chairman, Enrique Tarrio, was arrested on 4 January on charges related to firearms and the vandalism of a black church at a previous rally, a fundraiser billed as a “defense fund” made $113,000 in just four days.

A large proportion of that money came from a number of high-dollar donors who elected to be anonymous on the website, but whose identifying details were nevertheless preserved by GiveSendGo.

The anonymous donations included $1,000 from an email address associated with Gabe Carrera, a Florida-based personal injury lawyer who bills himself as the attorney who rides. Another $1,000 which came to Tarrio was associated with an email address belonging to Paul C Gill, a Honolulu-based Hawaiian Airlines employee and former pilot who has previously made donations to Donald Trump’s campaigns and to the Republican party, and who has offered public political commentary in the form of letters to the editor in local newspapers.

Of Tarrio’s donors, none immediately responded to requests for comment except for Gerardo G Gonzalez, who anonymously donated $1,000 to Tarrio on 7 January.

Public records show that Florida-based Gonzalez is a former pharmacist who owns at least six properties in Miami Beach and Homestead, Florida. His apartments, apartment buildings and an acreage lot have an assessed value in excess of $2.4m, and in prior decades has sold other properties worth millions more.

In a telephone conversation, Gonzalez said that his support of the Proud Boys was motivated by his belief that “there is no systemic racism in this country”, and his opposition to “BLM and Antifa” who he said represented “the real extremism” in the United States. He also used derogatory terms for Latinos and Democrats.

Other Proud Boy fundraisers raised large amounts, and attracted a similar range of high-value anonymous donations.

Virginia cops pepper-sprayed Black and Latino Army officer who had hands raised during traffic stop, video shows

“What’s going on?” Nazario asked the officers, who shouted at him to get out of the SUV as they approached, guns drawn.

“What’s going on is you’re fixin’ to ride the lighting, son,” one replied, using a slang term for the electric chair in a line from the film, "The Green Mile."

“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario told the officers.

“Yeah, you should be!” one retorted.

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Tarrio is the f*kc that is walking around free because he cooperated with the FBI, right?

I hope Kyle Rittenhouse kicked in ten bucks after his GiveSendGo campaign windfall.

H.P. Lovesauce wrote:

I hope Kyle Rittenhouse kicked in ten bucks after his GiveSendGo campaign windfall.

Really? Just? Well, I guest the cop cars here have thin blue line racist as f*ck wraps on them. Nothing surprises me anymore. White people suck.

Paleocon wrote:

Looks like a black Army medic was nearly murdered by police near Richmondd. After pepper spraying and brutally assaulting him, they allegedly told him to "keep quiet" or they would charge him with evading and obstruction.

The Town of Windsor announced yesterday that the senior police officer, Joe Gutierrez, was investigated after the incident in December. The investigation found that he violated police policy, he was disciplined, and "since that time, Officer Gutierrez was terminated from his employment."

Weird that the town waited until the video of stop went public--four months after it happened--before announcing they fired a rotten apple from their police force.

Importantly, we still don't know if Gutierrez was fired hours after his supervisors reviewed his body cam footage back in December or hours before they put out the press release yesterday.

It hardly bears saying, but if you’ve spent any time at all living in a small Southern town - not just the weekend in a hotel, but with relatives or friends - this should be no surprise at all. Especially the ones that depend on ticket revenue from th’ Interstate...

FFS, how are the cops this stupid? And 10 miles from the Chauvin trial to boot!

Minnesota National Guard deployed after protests over the police killing of a man during a traffic stop

Around 2 p.m. local time (3 p.m. ET), police said they were trying to take a man into custody after learning during a traffic stop that he had outstanding warrants.

The man got back into his vehicle, and an officer shot him, police said. The man then drove several blocks before striking another vehicle, police said.

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Body camera footage of the incident exists, but has not yet been released, authorities said.

An unarmed man gets back into his vehicle, so let's shoot him. FFS.

Pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from the mirror, side note, everyone in MN has one hanging or something else. A BS reason pull someone over. Then the justify that the guy has a warrant and runs. SO shoot the car......Their life was not in danger. Worst part is the son was on the phone with his mom when the line went down. She calls back and he is dead.

Serengeti wrote:

FFS, how are the cops this stupid? And 10 miles from the Chauvin trial to boot!

Minnesota National Guard deployed after protests over the police killing of a man during a traffic stop

Around 2 p.m. local time (3 p.m. ET), police said they were trying to take a man into custody after learning during a traffic stop that he had outstanding warrants.

The man got back into his vehicle, and an officer shot him, police said. The man then drove several blocks before striking another vehicle, police said.

...

Body camera footage of the incident exists, but has not yet been released, authorities said.

An unarmed man gets back into his vehicle, so let's shoot him. FFS.

Stupid? No. They simply don't care. They are doing what they have been hired to do.

It is really astonishingly bold that Chauvin's criminal defense basically boils down to "the guy was unhealthy so he would have died anyway". I could literally say that about 99% of the assholes at Trump's attempted coup and be equally correct.

The crap in Windsor is completely predictable as is the shooting in MN. It is standard police practice to use any excuse you can as a pretext for a police interaction and escalate it to the point of extracting a charge. It is literally how policework works in America.

An off duty Pentagon cop shot and killed two men he suspected of breaking into a car when they refused to obey his orders and fled. He fired multiple shots at the rear of the vehicle. He was not in his jurisdiction at the time, and local police said he "was not acting in any law enforcement capacity when he allegedly fired on the men.". At least he's been charged with two counts of murder.

Turns out he also was also caught on video last year pointing a shotgun at the face of a women undergoing a mental health crisis. At the time he reported using pepper spray and possessing a concealed weapon, but didn't mention the shotgun.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/11/us/pe...

My wife watched the Brooklyn Center press conference and told me that the shooting my have been accidental. The police officer yelled 'Taser!' before pulling her firearm and shooting Wright.

JLS wrote:

My wife watched the Brooklyn Center press conference and told me that the shooting my have been accidental. The police officer yelled 'Taser!' before pulling her firearm and shooting Wright.

None of this is accidental if it keeps happening over and over and over. It's unwritten policy.

UPDATE: Related tweet.

JLS wrote:

My wife watched the Brooklyn Center press conference and told me that the shooting my have been accidental. The police officer yelled 'Taser!' before pulling her firearm and shooting Wright.

I believe the correct line is, "It's coming right for us!"

JLS wrote:

My wife watched the Brooklyn Center press conference and told me that the shooting my have been accidental. The police officer yelled 'Taser!' before pulling her firearm and shooting Wright.

That is, sadly, remarkably believable. The manual of arms for both are very similar. It is for that reason that most departments of which I am aware do not allow you to carry a taser and a firearm on the same side of the body.

Paleocon wrote:
JLS wrote:

My wife watched the Brooklyn Center press conference and told me that the shooting my have been accidental. The police officer yelled 'Taser!' before pulling her firearm and shooting Wright.

That is, sadly, remarkably believable. The manual of arms for both are very similar. It is for that reason that most departments of which I am aware do not allow you to carry a taser and a firearm on the same side of the body.

Let me guess, taser goes on the off-hand hip. You know, the one you're unaccustomed to drawing from?

Jonman wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
JLS wrote:

My wife watched the Brooklyn Center press conference and told me that the shooting my have been accidental. The police officer yelled 'Taser!' before pulling her firearm and shooting Wright.

That is, sadly, remarkably believable. The manual of arms for both are very similar. It is for that reason that most departments of which I am aware do not allow you to carry a taser and a firearm on the same side of the body.

Let me guess, taser goes on the off-hand hip. You know, the one you're unaccustomed to drawing from?

Yup. Though some cops hate doing that. One of the reasons is that in close quarters, an assailant is in better position to draw it than you are. And at the very least, it would be difficult to draw across the body when someone is on top of you.

The American police and criminal Justice systems need to be razed to the ground and rebuilt to serve the community.

RawkGWJ wrote:

The American police and criminal Justice systems need to be razed to the ground and rebuilt to serve the community.

Yup. As I keep saying, it is a completely invalid tool for addressing the issues of public safety. Their training, motivation, and management objectives are at best ancillarily aligned with public safety and are very often directly at odds with it. At least a large part of the problem, however, is that folks who live in neighborhoods like mine don't see the problem because the system, by in large, works for us to keep the "scary black people" away.

All further exacerbated by the number of guns in the U.S. populace.

Elon Musk needs to invent the Star Trek phaser yesterday. A non-lethal tool as reliable as a firearm prevents accidental death and needless escalation of violence.