[Discussion] Impeachment, Legacy, and Discussion of Individual 45

Though noted as discussion, news, debate, and all things related to events that occurred during the Tr*mp administration can go here. The scope of this thread is specific to the former administration and it's hangers-on in the aftermath of the shift in power for the United States and impacted areas worldwide.

It costs $25.02 an ounce, says Google.

The inequality of wealth has gotten so far out of hand, I remember like it was almost yesterday when freedom was $1.05.

Three months on and it looks like most Republicans are going to stick with the lie. We're watching the next Lost Cause myth get written in real time.

Half of Republicans believe false accounts of deadly U.S. Capitol riot: Reuters/Ipsos poll

Reuters wrote:

Since the deadly Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, former President Donald Trump and his Republican allies have pushed false and misleading accounts to downplay the event that left five dead and scores of others wounded. His supporters appear to have listened.

Three months after a mob of Trump supporters stormed the Capitol to try to overturn his November election loss, about half of Republicans believe the siege was largely a non-violent protest or was the handiwork of left-wing activists “trying to make Trump look bad,” a new Reuters/Ipsos poll has found.

Six in 10 Republicans also believe the false claim put out by Trump that November’s presidential election “was stolen” from him due to widespread voter fraud, and the same proportion of Republicans think he should run again in 2024, the March 30-31 poll showed.

Since the Capitol attack, Trump, many of his allies within the Republican Party and right-wing media personalities have publicly painted a picture of the day’s events jarringly at odds with reality.

Hundreds of Trump’s supporters, mobilized by the former president’s false claims of a stolen election, climbed walls of the Capitol building and smashed windows to gain entry while lawmakers were inside voting to certify President Joe Biden’s election victory. The rioters - many of them sporting Trump campaign gear and waving flags - also included known white supremacist groups such as the Proud Boys.

In a recent interview with Fox News, Trump said the rioters posed “zero threat.” Other prominent Republicans, such as Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, have publicly doubted whether Trump supporters were behind the riot.

...

The Reuters/Ipsos poll shows a large number of rank-and-file Republicans have embraced the myth. While 59% of all Americans say Trump bears some responsibility for the attack, only three in 10 Republicans agree. Eight in 10 Democrats and six in 10 independents reject the false claims that the Capitol siege was “mostly peaceful” or it was staged by left-wing protestors.

“Republicans have their own version of reality,” said John Geer, an expert on public opinion at Vanderbilt University. “It is a huge problem. Democracy requires accountability and accountability requires evidence.”

The refusal of Trump and prominent Republicans to repudiate the events of Jan. 6 increases the likelihood of a similar incident happening again, said Susan Corke, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups.

“That is the biggest danger – normalizing this behavior,” Corke said. “I do think we are going to see more violence.”

...

The disinformation campaign aimed at downplaying the insurrection and Trump’s role in it reflects a growing consensus within the Republican Party that its fortunes remain tethered to Trump and his devoted base, political observers say.

According to the new Reuters/Ipsos poll, Trump remains the most popular figure within the party, with eight in 10 Republicans continuing to hold a favorable impression of him.

“Congressional Republicans have assessed they need to max out the Trump vote to win,” said Tim Miller, a former spokesman for Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush. “That that is the path back to the majority.”

OG_slinger wrote:

Three months on and it looks like most Republicans are going to stick with the lie. We're watching the next Lost Cause myth get written in real time.

Most Republicans are going to ride overt fascism, voter suppression, white supremacist terrorism, and conspiracy theories right over the cliff. They have never paid any price, no matter how vile their rhetoric.

Bill Hicks wrote:

"Rodney King? It's all in how you look at the tape. For instance, if you play it backwards you see us help King up and send him on his way."

Malor wrote:

And being a cop, he's used to being insulated from any significant consequences for his actions.

How right you are, Malor.

In this case it turned out that the Salt Lake City cop got his Officer of the Year award for arresting Thomas Pennington, a black man, in 2011 because he thought Pennington had murdered an ex-girlfriend in 1986.

But flash forward three years to 2015 and prosecutors had to dismiss murder charges against Pennington because they needed more time to investigate his alibis.

It turns out that the Officer of the Year ignored the fact that at the time of the murder Pennington lived nearly 1,100 miles away in Kansas City, was working full time at the University of Kansas Medical Center, and had gotten married less than a month before.

Pennington got his life f*cked up--and had to serve time for getting busted on drug charges after spending nearly a year in jail on the murder charges before he could make bail and the cop got an award, was able to retire on a fat pension, and go commit insurrection.

"Are you not now, or have you ever not been, a member of the Republican Party?"

Please tell me this is more of a dying gasp, then business as usual.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, which is why a patriot's financial donation is recurring and a tyrant's is not.

The funny thing is if I went through the donation steps and got to the bottom, and there was a box that basically read "If you uncheck this box you will not have a recurring donation but we will consider you to be a traitor who has sided with our enemies", I would not uncheck the box.

I would close the webpage entirely.

It feels like the GOP is looking down their noses at people who have some extra money and want to send it in just to help out. "Oh, you're just one of those one-time donors." I hope the people that had been thinking of helping out are offended enough that they just decide to keep their money instead.

Keldar wrote:

It feels like the GOP is looking down their noses at people who have some extra money and want to send it in just to help out.

The GOP hate and loathe their constituency. They are marks for them, pure and simple.

Keldar wrote:

The funny thing is if I went through the donation steps and got to the bottom, and there was a box that basically read "If you uncheck this box you will not have a recurring donation but we will consider you to be a traitor who has sided with our enemies", I would not uncheck the box.

I would close the webpage entirely.

It feels like the GOP is looking down their noses at people who have some extra money and want to send it in just to help out. "Oh, you're just one of those one-time donors." I hope the people that had been thinking of helping out are offended enough that they just decide to keep their money instead.

Well I think it's targeted at people who currently have recurring donations to scare them away from stopping them.

Natus wrote:
Keldar wrote:

It feels like the GOP is looking down their noses at people who have some extra money and want to send it in just to help out.

The GOP hate and loathe their constituency. They are marks for them, pure and simple.

So much this. "Milk the rubes, then toss them out in the street"

In group/out-group fearmongering. Appealing to ppl wanting to be on the in-group circle and not some outside loser.

Manhattan district attorney seizes evidence from Trump executive’s former daughter-in-law

Washington Post wrote:

Investigators from the Manhattan District Attorney's Office, acting on a grand jury subpoena, took possession of financial records Thursday morning from the apartment of Jennifer Weisselberg, the former daughter-in-law of a top Trump Organization officer.

Jennifer Weisselberg was married to Barry Weisselberg — the son of Trump Organization Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg — from 2004 to 2018. She has previously said that she had seven boxes of financial records from both her ex-husband and his father, some of which were obtained through divorce litigation. On Thursday, she loaded three boxes and a laptop computer onto a valet cart and wheeled them from her building to a black Jeep with dark-tinted windows that was waiting outside.

The move by District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr. appears to be the latest sign that Allen Weisselberg, the company’s highest-ranking corporate officer who is not a member of the Trump family, is a key focus of the ongoing criminal probe into former president Donald Trump’s financial dealings.

The subpoena, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Post, ordered Jennifer Weisselberg to produce all of the records she possesses for her ex-husband’s bank accounts and credit cards plus his statements of net worth and tax filings. Barry Weisselberg is a Trump Organization employee and manages an ice rink for the company in Manhattan’s Central Park. The subpoena asks specifically for records related to the Trump Organization and Wollman Rink.

“My knowledge of the documents and my voice connect the flow of money from various banks and from personal finances that bleed directly into the Trump Organization,” she said in an interview Thursday. Investigators, she added, now have her ex-husband’s 2019 and 2020 statements of net worth, his tax returns and copies of Wollman Rink checks from private events that she claims were deposited incorrectly.

She has said previously that the documents that were in her possession showed transactions in bank accounts controlled by Barry and Allen Weisselberg jointly.