[Discussion] Impeachment, Legacy, and Discussion of Individual 45

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DSGamer wrote:
CPAC wrote:

(Golden statue)

That's a little on the nose for modern evangelicals.

I'm pretty sure that's a joke:

1. The stupid shorts and flip flops are very "Bob's Big Boy" parody -- not unlike like the orange baby balloons during the protests.
2. I'm sure The Cult wouldn't arrange for a literal golden idol if they were even halfway observant.
3. Heck, even 5% observant.
4. I'm 0% observant and even I know what happened when Moses came down from the mountaintop.
5. Actually, please please please tell me it's a joke.

Archangel wrote:
DSGamer wrote:
CPAC wrote:

(Golden statue)

That's a little on the nose for modern evangelicals.

I'm pretty sure that's a joke:

1. The stupid shorts and flip flops are very "Bob's Big Boy" parody -- not unlike like the orange baby balloons.
2. I'm sure The Cult wouldn't arrange for a literal golden idol if they were even halfway observant.
3. Heck, even 5% observant.
4. I'm 0% observant and even I know what happened when Moses came down from the mountaintop.
5. Actually, please please please tell me it's a joke.

6. These are the same people who fervently believed Obama was the Anti-Christ so, no, it's not a joke.

CNN wrote:

Tommy Zegan, a California-based artist, created the Trump statue in response to the multiple pieces of art mocking Trump.

"Two years ago, when I saw all those statues of naked Trump and Trump on a toilet, I said, 'You know what? I can do better,' " Zegan told CNN Friday as attendees gathered around the statue to snap photos with it.

Zegan said the piece on display at CPAC is actually the fiberglass mold of the real, stainless steel sculpture currently stored in a warehouse in Tampa where it awaits a potentially high-profile showcase.

"It is museum-quality, and that's the one I'm eventually hoping to get in the Trump library," Zegan said. "It is literally priceless."

The statue is perhaps the most extreme celebration at CPAC of the former president, who will speak here on Sunday in his first public appearance since leaving office. Zegan says every aspect of the statue -- which puts Trump in a suit jacket, American-flag-themed shorts and flip-flop sandals -- is intended to be symbolic.

"The coat and tie is the fact that he's a professional, he's a businessman," Zegan said. "The red tie symbolizes he's a Republican. The red white and blue is that he's a patriot. The fact that he's wearing thongs and shorts is that he's at the age where he should be retired. He should be at the beach right now."

But when asked if he would like for Trump to ease into retirement or run for President again in 2024, Zegan was emphatic.

"I would be, yes, ecstatic," he said. "If he wants it to happen, it will happen."

OG_slinger wrote:
Archangel wrote:
DSGamer wrote:
CPAC wrote:

(Golden statue)

That's a little on the nose for modern evangelicals.

I'm pretty sure that's a joke:

1. The stupid shorts and flip flops are very "Bob's Big Boy" parody -- not unlike like the orange baby balloons.
2. I'm sure The Cult wouldn't arrange for a literal golden idol if they were even halfway observant.
3. Heck, even 5% observant.
4. I'm 0% observant and even I know what happened when Moses came down from the mountaintop.
5. Actually, please please please tell me it's a joke.

6. These are the same people who fervently believed Obama was the Anti-Christ so, no, it's not a joke.

CNN wrote:

Tommy Zegan, a California-based artist, created the Trump statue in response to the multiple pieces of art mocking Trump.

"Two years ago, when I saw all those statues of naked Trump and Trump on a toilet, I said, 'You know what? I can do better,' " Zegan told CNN Friday as attendees gathered around the statue to snap photos with it.

Zegan said the piece on display at CPAC is actually the fiberglass mold of the real, stainless steel sculpture currently stored in a warehouse in Tampa where it awaits a potentially high-profile showcase.

"It is museum-quality, and that's the one I'm eventually hoping to get in the Trump library," Zegan said. "It is literally priceless."

The statue is perhaps the most extreme celebration at CPAC of the former president, who will speak here on Sunday in his first public appearance since leaving office. Zegan says every aspect of the statue -- which puts Trump in a suit jacket, American-flag-themed shorts and flip-flop sandals -- is intended to be symbolic.

"The coat and tie is the fact that he's a professional, he's a businessman," Zegan said. "The red tie symbolizes he's a Republican. The red white and blue is that he's a patriot. The fact that he's wearing thongs and shorts is that he's at the age where he should be retired. He should be at the beach right now."

But when asked if he would like for Trump to ease into retirement or run for President again in 2024, Zegan was emphatic.

"I would be, yes, ecstatic," he said. "If he wants it to happen, it will happen."

Top_Shelf wrote:
CNN wrote:

Zegan said the piece on display at CPAC is actually the fiberglass mold of the real, stainless steel sculpture currently stored in a warehouse in Tampa where it awaits a potentially high-profile showcase.

...

The statue is perhaps the most extreme celebration at CPAC of the former president, who will speak here on Sunday in his first public appearance since leaving office. Zegan says every aspect of the statue -- which puts Trump in a suit jacket, American-flag-themed shorts and flip-flop sandals -- is intended to be symbolic.

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He's holding the constitution in one hand like a shield so he can try to hide behind it, and a magic wand in his other hand because he magically doesn't have to follow it himself. He's wearing American themed shorts and flip-flops because he spent most of his time at Mar-a-Lago on the taxpayers' dime, and a suit and tie with the shorts and flip-flops so he can pretend that he's doing real work when he sits behind his desk or gets on a Zoom call. To top it off, the real sculpture is made of stainless steel, which means that although the statue gives off the appearance of being made of solid gold, that appearance is just as fake for the statue as it is for the real Trump.

Symbolic indeed.

Seems like he's confused the word 'priceless' with 'worthless'.

This Funko-pop thing has gotten out of hand!

Rezzy wrote:

This Funko-pop thing has gotten out of hand!

It's ugly, but it's not that ugly.

The expression on that woman's face is priceless. Its sorta like "Oh god! Do I have to?"
Also Christians take note that he is holding a magic wand. You know the kind of thing you protested Harry Potter about?
And I am sure that constitution is the Republican version since it is small, about the size of a piece of toilet paper...

It looks like one of those president robots from Bioshock Infinite.

Is that an ice sculpture made of frozen pee?

fangblackbone wrote:

The expression on that woman's face is priceless. Its sorta like "Oh god! Do I have to?"
Also Christians take note that he is holding a magic wand. You know the kind of thing you protested Harry Potter about?
And I am sure that constitution is the Republican version since it is small, about the size of a piece of toilet paper...

It's just the 2nd amendment with the militia phrase removed.

Mixolyde wrote:
fangblackbone wrote:

The expression on that woman's face is priceless. Its sorta like "Oh god! Do I have to?"
Also Christians take note that he is holding a magic wand. You know the kind of thing you protested Harry Potter about?
And I am sure that constitution is the Republican version since it is small, about the size of a piece of toilet paper...

It's just the 2nd amendment with the militia phrase removed.

Cawthorn has proposed an amendment where the 2nd amendment is bolded and underlined.

Calling him human filth would be an insult to humans and filth.

If that thing is made of stainless steel, then it would still be extremely expensive and VERY heavy.

Tomorrow should be fun.

Extremists discussed plans to 'remove Democratic lawmakers': FBI-Homeland Security bulletin

NBC News wrote:

The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI sent a joint intelligence bulletin to state and local law enforcement agencies late Tuesday warning that some domestic groups have "discussed plans to take control of the U.S. Capitol and remove Democratic lawmakers on or about" this Thursday, March 4, according to a senior law enforcement official who described the document to NBC News.

The bulletin, titled "National Capital Region Remains Attractive Target for Domestic Violent Extremists," warned that "Domestic Violent Extremists" or "Militia Violent Extremists" were emboldened by the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol and therefore pose a higher overall threat.

The bulletin said the militia violent extremists may "exploit public gatherings either formally organized or spontaneous to engage in violence," according to the description of the document.

It also states that domestic violent extremists have a continued "perception of election fraud and other conspiracy theories associated with the presidential transition, which may contribute to (Domestic Violent Extremists) mobilizing to violence with little or no warning."

The law enforcement official said the bulletin makes clear that "the threat did not begin or end on January 6."

The new warning comes as national security officials testified before two Senate committees about the law enforcement response to the Capitol assault in January.

Also Wednesday, Capitol Police said it has obtained intelligence showing a “possible plot to breach the Capitol by an identified militia group” on March 4.

“We have already made significant security upgrades to include establishing a physical structure and increasing manpower to ensure the protection of Congress, the public and our police officers,” the agency said in a statement.

Supporters of the QAnon conspiracy theory have set March 4 as the date they believe former president Donald Trump will return to office.

Is everyone excited for Trump to be sworn in as our 19th President and for our country returning to it’s Sovereign roots tomorrow?

19th...?

Do I even want to know?

No, you do not want to know. I did not want to know but my opinion was not asked before I was told.

After Biden was sworn in QAnon adopted some Sovereign Citizen nonsense to explain how Trump could still be president. I personally love talking about crazy SovCit b.s. but I can understand how it’s not for everyone.
I’m really eager to see how they bake things when this fails, though.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

19th...?

Do I even want to know?

Let me save you the trouble....

Something something every president since Ulysses S. Grant has been illegitimate something something but Trump fixed that something something so he'll be president tomorrow when REAL presidents are sworn in and everyone will totally just shrug and accept that because of something something.

Also, when it DOESN'T happen, that'll mean that something something deep state and then we'll REALLY know that Trump is in charge.

Also pedophiles, I guess.

ruhk wrote:

After Biden was sworn in QAnon adopted some Sovereign Citizen nonsense to explain how Trump could still be president. I personally love talking about crazy SovCit b.s. but I can understand how it’s not for everyone.
I’m really eager to see how they bake things when this fails, though.

You would think Sov Cuts and Trump Qultism would not be tied together, but here we are.

It makes sense. Most SovCits are super conservative and the QAnon belief about an evil conspiracy that has seized control of the country is basically adjacent to the core SovCit belief about an illegitimate corporate government suppressing the true constitutional government for it’s own profit. It wasn’t mainstream Q until the inauguration but there were “Did you know the United States is a CORPORATION not a COUNTRY!!1!!!” people in QAnon for a while.

For anyone curious how all this ties into March 4th:

Spoiler:

Sovereign Citizens believe that the US Government went bankrupt in the 1800’s and in order to save itself passed a law that reformatted the country as a corporate entity and changed all US citizens into financial assets the new US Corporation could use as leverage against debts. Since the last election was obviously stolen, QAnon now believes that Biden’s inauguration was a publicity event to keep people from panicking, and that there actually isn’t a president right now. They believe that the failure of the election caused a breach of contract in the original law which established the US Corporation, causing it to dissolve and cede all power to the US Military until March 4th, when they will hand over power to the “rightfully” elected president, Donald Trump. March 4th is special because it’s the “original” day presidents were traditionally sworn in until Inauguration Day was officially moved to Jan 20th. Also, since the US Corp is now abolished, all laws and amendments passed since it’s inception in the 1800’s will be rendered null and void.

It’s so stupid because it’s like badly written fan fiction.

It’s so scary because a significant number of people take it as gospel.

I remember running into a pair of these guys on the BBSes in the 80s. They were absolutely impermeable to evidence of any kind. One of them refused to get a driver's license or register his car because he had the right to travel on the roads.... but not park, he had to always park on private property, he claimed. Those arguments last about five seconds in court, and judges Do Not Like Them, so I'm sure if he was ever pulled over, he went to jail.

Other fun stuff was that the Soviets were attacking America with their earthquake satellites; that was why the quakes kept happening in California. Trying to explain to them that the amount of energy involved made it impossible completely bounced off. (Any country that could launch one would have no need to, because they'd such overwhelming amounts of power generation that they'd be insanely wealthy to start with.) That also did not register in any way. By god, the Evil Soviets had earthquake satellites and they were hitting us with them, and they would just repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat this no matter what you said.

It was like arguing with the loudspeakers at Disneyland.

Occasionally I like to go on youtube and watch videos of Sovereign Citizens trying to cast their law spells at cops/judges/low-level bureaucrats. The funniest part is that most of the videos are uploaded by the SovCits themselves, thinking it’s proof of their beliefs despite most of the videos ending with them getting arrested or being held in contempt of court.

That does not shock me. The pair I knew were so absolutely immune to evidence that even being locked up for a long period of time probably wouldn't have changed their minds.

They had chosen their reality, and they were sticking to it.

ruhk wrote:

Occasionally I like to go on youtube and watch videos of Sovereign Citizens trying to cast their law spells at cops/judges/low-level bureaucrats. The funniest part is that most of the videos are uploaded by the SovCits themselves, thinking it’s proof of their beliefs despite most of the videos ending with them getting arrested or being held in contempt of court.

I was going to mention this. It’s the best form of Schadenfreude. I have a friend at work who won’t shut up about sovereign citizen crap and other quackery and nonsense.

The last time I was pulled over by a cop, I stopped my car and turned off the engine. Then I absentmindedly pulled my keys out of the ignition and threw them in the passenger seat. The cop came to my window. I tried to roll it down but without the keys in the ignition it wouldn’t move. The window happened to be open by about 2 inches.

The cop sighed and said, “So do you have a piece of paper you want to show me?” I passed him my license and registration but he wouldn’t take it. He said, “No the other paper that you want to show me. Let’s get this over with.” I passed him my insurance card through the open slit of the window. He wouldn’t take it. Then it hit me that he thought I was pulling the sovereign citizen crap. I started chuckling and explained about the car keys and the window.

He then wrote me a bogus speeding ticket. I scanned the ridiculously long scroll of paper which was my ticket. I couldn’t find what I was looking for so I asked the cop, “Do you have me on radar? I wasn’t speeding and I don’t see any radar data on this ticket.” He said no. I thanked him and asked if I could leave. Fought it in court. No points on my record. No fine.

Since Q hasn't posted any "Q-drops" since mid-December, the Qultists have been left drifting. Now you've got a group of "QAnon influencers" who have big followings because they would go through the process of "decoding" various Q-drops.

Not wanting to lose their audience, many of them have started making up their own sh*t and presenting it as QAnon canon. Some have started incorporating Sovereign Citizen nonsense into the QAnon mythology. Then you have others like Lin Wood who merge QAnon with even more pseudo-religious nonsense.

The SovCit idiocy would probably not be so widespread if "Q" was still posting.

It's this where we talk about the grand jury in georgia for election tampering?