NBA 2020-21 Season Catch-All

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Talk to Euro Football about what the league will do to protect players BE.

Behind closed doors.

I dunno if walking out for this would do anything.

Closed games the owners would never go for because of $$$.

I think maybe the most feasible thing would be to turn the fans on the fans. It's about being part of something. To get kicked out of your tribe for being a moron would work imo.

Get aggressive with technicals in game and or carry over to the next game. Imagine being the fan who gave the other team 2 free throws for being a moron.

Carry it over. Fan acts like a moron at the end of a game. Other team gets two free shots to start a game. No fan would want to associate with the moron who did that. + Hit the teams with fines.

jowner wrote:

I dunno if walking out for this would do anything.

Closed games the owners would never go for because of $$$.

I think maybe the most feasible thing would be to turn the fans on the fans. It's about being part of something. To get kicked out of your tribe for being a moron would work imo.

Get aggressive with technicals in game and or carry over to the next game. Imagine being the fan who gave the other team 2 free throws for being a moron.

Carry it over. Fan acts like a moron at the end of a game. Other team gets two free shots to start a game. No fan would want to associate with the moron who did that. + Hit the teams with fines.

How would that work for fans of the visiting team though. Philly fans travel well and if you tell them they have to wear the opposing teams jersey and act like jerks to help the Sixers win then you are 100% going to get that.

I don’t think punishment for the fans would really solve the issue either. I feel, and I could be wrong, that these people know they are going to be banned and do it anyway.

I don’t think the players are passionate enough about this to lose millions by walking out. DSG, you’re not wrong, it is a race issue, but IMO the players save their big bullets for something more serious. See the playoff shutdown the Bucks initiated last year.

I think the most likely and most effective solution is changing the security setups, similar to the response to the Malice in the Palace.

No court-side seats. Make it so only families can attend. Ban anyone violating any rules. Fill the stands with youth organizations and/or pre-screened approved groups/charities.

I think they have to come up with something more elegant. The goal for them is likely to avoid two things: punishing everyone for the sins of a few, and reducing income.

TheGameguru wrote:
jowner wrote:

I dunno if walking out for this would do anything.

Closed games the owners would never go for because of $$$.

I think maybe the most feasible thing would be to turn the fans on the fans. It's about being part of something. To get kicked out of your tribe for being a moron would work imo.

Get aggressive with technicals in game and or carry over to the next game. Imagine being the fan who gave the other team 2 free throws for being a moron.

Carry it over. Fan acts like a moron at the end of a game. Other team gets two free shots to start a game. No fan would want to associate with the moron who did that. + Hit the teams with fines.

How would that work for fans of the visiting team though. Philly fans travel well and if you tell them they have to wear the opposing teams jersey and act like jerks to help the Sixers win then you are 100% going to get that.

I'm sure they can figure this out lol. I'd reserve this for when you obviously ID the fan and first ban them outright.

If someone wants to build an entire internet persona as a fan of a team they are not and to also then plot out a plan to assault his own teams player verbally or physically... Ya seems like a stretch.

Edit: also we could just ban Philadelphia maybe. /sarcasm

A local (rural) high school team here was abusive to players from another (urban) team. Epithets, all of it.

The (rural) team was suspended from post season, the fans of the rural team are not allowed at conference games for the rest of the year and they're not allowed at any post season games for a week.

Collective punishment is doable for collective groups of people.

Top_Shelf wrote:

A local (rural) high school team here was abusive to players from another (urban) team. Epithets, all of it.

The (rural) team was suspended from post season, the fans of the rural team are not allowed at conference games for the rest of the year and they're not allowed at any post season games for a week.

Collective punishment is doable for collective groups of people.

Speaking my language. It’s a privilege to watch players perform. Your ticket doesn’t entitle you to abuse them.

DSGamer wrote:

privilege. entitlement

We got ourselves a winner.

And then someone tried to run on the court in DC.

Please explain how to implement that idea at the scale of the NBA? “Are you or have you ever been a supporter of the yahoo that threw a bottle at Kyrie?” “Um nah” “Ok here’s your hand stamp.”

No prob.

Fans of Team X act up, Team X takes some form of pain from the following (depending on severity):

Lost draft pick(s)
Tech free throws enforced at next game
Forfeits % of gate to the opposing team (better believe no owner will allow it to happen again)
Lose salary cap tools (mid level exceptions, etc)
Escalating fines that f*cking hurt ($1mm, $5mm, etc)
No opposing fan gear allowed at road games for X number of games
Reduced ticket capacity for next game (say, 10% of tickets forfeited and the team has to pay back buyers)
Owner(s) banned from games for a bit
Season ticket holders barred from entry

sh*t would never happen again because no billionaire is going to risk losing his f*cking money.

That ^

Well Jazz back on track. 3-1, while all the other west series are 2-2. Win this thing Wed and get some rest.

The Jazz look much better.

Top_Shelf wrote:

No prob.

Fans of Team X act up, Team X takes some form of pain from the following (depending on severity):

Lost draft pick(s)
Tech free throws enforced at next game
Forfeits % of gate to the opposing team (better believe no owner will allow it to happen again)
Lose salary cap tools (mid level exceptions, etc)
Escalating fines that f*cking hurt ($1mm, $5mm, etc)
No opposing fan gear allowed at road games for X number of games
Reduced ticket capacity for next game (say, 10% of tickets forfeited and the team has to pay back buyers)
Owner(s) banned from games for a bit
Season ticket holders barred from entry

sh*t would never happen again because no billionaire is going to risk losing his f*cking money.

If any one of those things actually happened I would be floored. Do you really think that’s realistic? To be crystal clear I am not asking if it would be effective, if it would be just, or if it should be done (no no no are my answers to those questions). I’m asking if the NBA would actually do it. I see no way in hell.

Probably won’t, but they should. That’s why I think player should consider walking out.

I believe the NBA, if they truly meant what they said in the bubble about racial justice wouldn’t allow this nonsense to continue.

You don’t think the NBA should take a stand on fans assaulting players?

DSGamer wrote:

Probably won’t, but they should. That’s why I think player should consider walking out.

I believe the NBA, if they truly meant what they said in the bubble about racial justice wouldn’t allow this nonsense to continue.

You don’t think the NBA should take a stand on fans assaulting players?

Like really? I don't think anyone believes that.

I think the discussion is around what's actually realistic and feasible.

I’m just a little thrown because Blind Evil said he doesn’t think the league should do anything extraordinary like Top_Shelf proposed.

I know Blind Evil doesn’t think the NBA should do nothing, but what they’re doing now isn’t working, so I’m asking if anything extraordinary should be considered to protect players.

Here's my favorite idea while watching the market news this morning: no beer at next game.

And yeah, I think any of these are completely doable. All it takes is owners sitting down and thinking about this like any other business.

Customers getting out of hand and it's damaging the brand? Too much at risk to keep the status quo. Of course, most owners treat their sports teams like a hobby where they're collecting baseball cards or something, not tending to it like an actual business.

Do we really think that big box stores would accept this type of bad press for weeks when their customers are wilding out? We've got a real world example: Wal-Mart, Target, etc., have all stopped selling collectible cards after the Magic, sports card and Pokemon fights the last several months. The capitalists (!) sacrificed some small profits to protect their brand and not let their business turn into f*cking Saturday night after payday at the sawdust floored honky-tonk.

There better be some junior analyst working for Adam Silver running the math on the costs of Malice In The Palace on the NBA's preciousssssssss Bottom Line in 2004 compared to a $150k loss in revenue for banning alcohol one night (or whatever). Just wait for MITP 2 in this hyped, polarized environment with social media.

Of course something should be done. But there have to be intermediate steps between a slap on the wrist and being able to tank a franchise because of a few unruly assholes.

I’ve said my peace on this, removing myself from the discussion.

Barkley last night was all "some fan that enters the court is going to get their ass kicked" and that will stop it.

He clearly doesn't remember 2004. Jermaine O'Neal punched the fan that charged him in the bench area. He never left the court. And he was still suspended 25 games and 4 million in salary. Probably cost the Pacers a couple of playoff seeds and could have been another finals appearance.

So no I don't think players are going to fight, Chuck. And they shouldn't have to. The League should be protecting them better than this.

Stele wrote:

Barkley last night was all "some fan that enters the court is going to get their ass kicked" and that will stop it.

He clearly doesn't remember 2004. Jermaine O'Neal punched the fan that charged him in the bench area. He never left the court. And he was still suspended 25 games and 4 million in salary. Probably cost the Pacers a couple of playoff seeds and could have been another finals appearance.

So no I don't think players are going to fight, Chuck. And they shouldn't have to. The League should be protecting them better than this.

Yeah. I was really disappointed in that. Barkley is prone to saying things like that purely for the sake of entertainment, but it's a serious issue and that's obviously not the answer, to hope for another Malice in the Palace.

If you remember The Malice in the Palace the fallout from it was quite racially tinged. Players were talked about as if they were out of control animals all over talk radio and TV. As you point out, the players and teams received the heaviest penalties. One of the primary actions the NBA took was to enforce a dress code in order to try to improve the league's appearance with their primarily white fan base and to try to "civilize" the players who were perceived as being "out of control".

Those were predictable, but wrong-headed actions to take at the time and they simply reinforced the notion that players had to put up with a certain level of abuse from the fans. I don't think we should wish for a return to that kind of a situation, because we have an idea of how to league will react.

The part of me that enjoys analyzing things and laughing at absurd human stuff cannot WAIT for this business to get out of control. Let's go ahead and let Malice/Palace 2: Boogaloo Bois happen, with everyone coming back from lockdown, and Tucker Carlson on TV, and Twitter, and years worth of protests in the streets over racial issues, and whites wilding out in January, and "wealthy" whites mixing it up with athletes with kids in the front row and see how this plays out.

Seriously, I cannot wait to read the HBR case study that starts with, "Adam Silver poured himself his third martini and thought to himself, 'How did we get here?' Adam, the former National Basketball Association Commissioner, had been heralded as a savvy marketer and leader of one of the most successful professional sports leagues with a global reach. But tonight, he was watching replays of an ugly, racially-tinged brawl between players and fans. Adam didn't know it at the time, but the public relations nightmare would only get worse, as #Thunderdome as it came to be known on social media platforms, became the top trending item for months, led to a precipitous drop in attendance, lawsuits were filed and a players strike over unsafe working conditions culminated in an election season where politicians invoked the incident as indicative of society's ills ..."

No wonder it ended between him and J-Lo.

Suns just destroying the Lakers, wow

How many players in NBA history have hit as many clutch shots as Lillard? Ridiculous.

Holy sh*t he's 12/16 from 3 with 55 points right now

DSGamer wrote:

How many players in NBA history have hit as many clutch shots as Lillard? Ridiculous.

Jordan
Horry
Lillard