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Looking back at the 00-01 stats, I still can't believe Shaq didn't get MVP over Iverson. League Leaders, expand, and you'll see Shaq everywhere. 3rd in ppg, 4th in blocks, 3rd in rpg, 1st in FG%, 1st in efficiency, plus/minus, win share, 2nd value over replacement, all kinds of advanced stuff as well as traditional.
All Iverson had was ppg, spg. He's also 1st (tied) in minutes and 1st in usage by a wide margin. Ball hog, extraordinaire. 2nd in attempts only cause he played 9 less games than Stackhouse that season. Chucker.
Still the most undeserving MVP award in my opinion. Let him have the scoring title, but that's all he should have had. His influence on the game is nothing good.
What Stele said ^ -mortalgroove
Interesting conversation. I also agree that no one has changed the game recently more than Curry. When all is said and done and the lists of best players comes out, he's probably still going to be behind Jordan, Kobe, and Lebron but no one has changed the way basketball is played more than he has at least in the last 20 years or so.
And the question about Dr J also made me think... does Larry Bird even make the NBA in 2021? Bill Simmons isn't here so I assume there is a civil conversation to be had. I grew up a show-time Lakers fan so I saw enough of his game and how great he was back then, but the way is game is played today, is he just a Draymond Green type player?
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At least with Iverson, the entire offense was completely built on his ability to score. Looking through that roster, there's not a single other legitimate threat on that team.
Derrick Rose is the other guy on the list that stands out to me and also had an outstanding counting stat year.
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Yeah to me Rose is the most egregious recent era MVP. I thought at the time he shouldn’t have won. Talk about an inefficient chucker.
Still the most undeserving MVP award in my opinion.
Let him have the scoring title, but that's all he should have had. His influence on the game is nothing good.
I couldn't disagree with this part more. He brought to the culture of the game a willingness to be himself in a way the NBA hadn't seen for a long time. The modern NBA is cut through with creative and interesting personalities that we wouldn't see if Iverson hadn't broke down barriers to players being themselves on and off the court.
You may not like who he was as a teammate, but the social interaction between players, media and fans is one of the most interesting things about the modern NBA and Iverson helped accelerate that trend.
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I mean the "we talkin' 'bout practice" press conference was great. That's about it.
Ted Lasso did it better.
I used to be anti-Iverson, but I've come around.
Could not disagree more, or more strongly.
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Who was on the Knicks the last time that happened? Carmelo? Ewing?
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I love the animations, especially when a shot goes up. Shades of NBA Street.
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I hate this trend of all of these weird uniform colors. Why can't teams just stick to their regular, classic colors? They look better and are recognizable. I turned on a game the other night and I literally had to take at least a couple of up and down sequences to even figure out which team was which until I recognized one of the bench players. Why does Dallas have white and yellow uniforms tonight? Since when is yellow a color for the Mavericks?
This is funny to me, because it’s my wife’s big pet peeve. She casually watches basketball with me while she works or surfs. She’s not a fanatic or anything, but mostly understands the league, knows a decent chunk of the players for a causal fan.
She loses it whenever the Lakers are wearing blue, the Blazers are wearing brown or the Heat are wearing pink.
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