[Discussion] Welcome to the Biden Administration!

Anything related to Biden and his upcoming administration. May this thread be less active and controversial as that last guys thread.

Drazzil wrote:

Its not all bad news though. When the impact of the laws being passed and the edicts passed down are fully felt, I think its going to make things hot for the GOP.

It could if we had responsible media instead of both sides-ing the arsonists and the firefighters.

Fox News will keep the GOP base in line, lying repeatedly about who is at fault for things going to hell.

And if we continue into fascism, Fox News state media could be right around the corner.

farley3k wrote:
Keldar wrote:

Manchin's a convenient scapegoat, a selfish prick, and a terrible person, and it's appropriate to hate him for playing Lucy And The Football on this. But he's not the real problem here, and we all know it - that would be the fact that the people that control literally half of the Senate are trying to overthrow our entire government, and we're basically just stuck sitting here and waiting for it to happen.

I think the real problem is the system. The idea that people representing way less than half the people in a supposed democracy can do this shows (to me) that the system was flawed from the get go. And I honest don't assign malic or incompetence to them - the founding fathers (oh how I hate that term) simply couldn't imagine a world like it is exists now. They just didn't have a frame of reference.

I think the system would work fine if giant square states with tiny populations hadn't been created intentionally for this purpose, while over 3 million Peurto Ricans have no representation whatsoever. Plus capping the growth of the House. Those systemic monkey wrenches are not the fault of the Founding Fathers, but their racist descendants.

Stele wrote:
Drazzil wrote:

Its not all bad news though. When the impact of the laws being passed and the edicts passed down are fully felt, I think its going to make things hot for the GOP.

It could if we had responsible media instead of both sides-ing the arsonists and the firefighters.

Fox News will keep the GOP base in line, lying repeatedly about who is at fault for things going to hell.

And if we continue into fascism, Fox News state media could be right around the corner.

Running a country is *hard* given all the horrible no good policies the GOP has, do you think Fox News is going to be able to hand waive away the multiple massive crises one party Republican rule will cause? Its going to be hard to blame the boogeyman when you cannot find work anywhere or when your daughter dies of a botched abortion or a tubal pregnancy.

Also yes. Most media, online and off are owned by just a few people. They're bothsidering things because their overlords want them to.

Just a thought.

Drazzil wrote:

Running a country is *hard* given all the horrible no good policies the GOP has, do you think Fox News is going to be able to hand waive away the multiple massive crises one party Republican rule will cause? Its going to be hard to blame the boogeyman when you cannot find work anywhere or when your daughter dies of a botched abortion or a tubal pregnancy.

Fox News: "Hold my beer"

Spoiler:

will they be entirely successful? No. Will they be more successful than most of us would expect? Yes, if recent history is any indication, they absolutely will. :(

Farscry wrote:
Drazzil wrote:

Running a country is *hard* given all the horrible no good policies the GOP has, do you think Fox News is going to be able to hand waive away the multiple massive crises one party Republican rule will cause? Its going to be hard to blame the boogeyman when you cannot find work anywhere or when your daughter dies of a botched abortion or a tubal pregnancy.

Fox News: "Hold my beer"

Spoiler:

will they be entirely successful? No. Will they be more successful than most of us would expect? Yes, if recent history is any indication, they absolutely will. :(

I'm trying not to be super negative about things right now. If we're going to survive what's coming I think that we will have to find our own salvation. When our nation has faced crises in the past it has pulled us together. I think that after the Republicans manage to drive things into the ground, our government will just be another crisis to be fixed.

I wish I could be anything other than fatalistic, but I have quite honestly lost all hope and optimism at this point. No one specific incident I can point to that was the final tipping point. Just, sometime since mid-2020 I realized that I have absolutely no hope that things will get better before they get much, much, much worse.

And... well, by that point thing may never actually get better than they used to be.

Sorry, I am just a real party pooper.

The line between pessimist and realist was always razor thin, but now it's just dissappeared.

Farscry wrote:

I wish I could be anything other than fatalistic, but I have quite honestly lost all hope and optimism at this point. No one specific incident I can point to that was the final tipping point. Just, sometime since mid-2020 I realized that I have absolutely no hope that things will get better before they get much, much, much worse.

And... well, by that point thing may never actually get better than they used to be.

Sorry, I am just a real party pooper. :(

Soooo assuming all is lost in the US, what do we do from here?

Amoebic says the wait for Canada is really long. So...

Stele wrote:

Amoebic says the wait for Canada is really long. So...

When the US fully transitions there will be more then a small amount of unrest. The markets SHOULD crash then the contaigen will spread. I don't think Canada will be safe either.

Drazzil wrote:
Stele wrote:

Amoebic says the wait for Canada is really long. So...

When the US fully transitions there will be more then a small amount of unrest. The markets SHOULD crash then the contaigen will spread. I don't think Canada will be safe either.

Keep in mind that Canada, as a whole, is much less oriented towards "F*CK YOU! I GOT MINE!!" than the US is. That's not to say we don't have our own issues, because we do, but we are not nearly as f*cked as the US is right now. One big example is that, overall, our judges (at all levels) are much, much less disposed to blindly follow political theories or to insist a centuries old document is infallible.

Drazzil wrote:

Soooo assuming all is lost in the US, what do we do from here?

If I knew the answer to that (other than "flee the nation", which isn't a feasible option for me) I would probably be a hell of a lot less depressed.

mudbunny wrote:
Drazzil wrote:
Stele wrote:

Amoebic says the wait for Canada is really long. So...

When the US fully transitions there will be more then a small amount of unrest. The markets SHOULD crash then the contaigen will spread. I don't think Canada will be safe either.

Keep in mind that Canada, as a whole, is much less oriented towards "F*CK YOU! I GOT MINE!!" than the US is. That's not to say we don't have our own issues, because we do, but we are not nearly as f*cked as the US is right now. One big example is that, overall, our judges (at all levels) are much, much less disposed to blindly follow political theories or to insist a centuries old document is infallible.

I think he means that the economic impact of the US imploding will be felt through the entire world.

Stele wrote:

Amoebic says the wait for Canada is really long. So...

That's the line for citizenship, you could probably get a job and live there as an American for a while first.

mudbunny wrote:
Drazzil wrote:
Stele wrote:

Amoebic says the wait for Canada is really long. So...

When the US fully transitions there will be more then a small amount of unrest. The markets SHOULD crash then the contagion will spread. I don't think Canada will be safe either.

Keep in mind that Canada, as a whole, is much less oriented towards "F*CK YOU! I GOT MINE!!" than the US is. That's not to say we don't have our own issues, because we do, but we are not nearly as f*cked as the US is right now. One big example is that, overall, our judges (at all levels) are much, much less disposed to blindly follow political theories or to insist a centuries old document is infallible.

I'm not talking about our broken political system spreading to yours, I'm talking about widespread civil unrest/war. Canada will have to come up with a system for dealing with absolutely MASSIVE emigration (both legal and illegal) from the south. Also your economy is quite dependent on ours and I'm guessing that a dictatorship of one stripe or another will do some truly ugly things to the largest economy in the world. Because of "free" trade nothing happens in a vacuum economically speaking, so when our economy goes down, so will the whole worlds.

If that wasn't bad enough, when the US implodes it will be looking for someone to blame. I believe Canada and the rest of the world will have to deal with flashes of militarism coming out of the United States. Add to this toxic stew global warming and climate change. Our grain belt is SLLLOOOOWLY shifting north as weather in middle America becomes more and more extreme.

I'd love the idea that Canada would be able to bypass the United States trade wise, but I remember reading that 75 percent of Canadian exports go to the United States. Add to this factor the domino effect of market economies collapsing one after another as the fragile interdependent systems of international commerce are destroyed when the United States goes down.

I have this (admittedly foolish) vision in my head of Canada throwing it's doors open in a scenario like this. I am willing to bet that they could pick up a lot of cheap, extremely well educated people as the United States implodes, if handled correctly, it could make Canada a superpower within 20 years as America's sane citizens stream north and leave the United States to her own devices.

Unfortunately this wouldn't work for me. I am going to be 40 this year and have medical issues that would disincline any sane nation from offering me sanctuary. I also live in Portland, am low income working poor and would likely die either in civil strife or in the afterwards as the phychiatric medications I require to live are unobtainable.

The reality though is that I think that the United States economy and civil strife would effect the government in Canada as Canadians elect a right winger who decides to go all in on "Fortress Canada" Much like many countries did when Europe faced an exodus from the Middle East and Syria.

Gods please let me be wrong!

Back on track: I wish Biden would communicate what he wanted the Democratic leadership to do, in public. I wish he would talk about what he wanted the American people to do likewise.

Democrats seem to have this problem where they say they're "going to do x" or give us an update on things but then Biden and the Democrats never really tell Americans what to do besides "Vote". There are things citizens can do besides vote! Give us some direction oh leader of the free world! Clear, simple, and thoughtful instructions, with goalposts and a clear idea of where YOU the leader, and the DEMOCRATS the party are going to meet us, so that there's no amount of ambiguity about who dropped the ball if I show up at that point and am left sitting in a parking lot.

Democrats are always on the back foot, disorganized and unprepared. Which is a horrible place to be in this brutal fight for our nations future!

Mixolyde wrote:
Stele wrote:

Amoebic says the wait for Canada is really long. So...

That's the line for citizenship, you could probably get a job and live there as an American for a while first.

I've had health issues and with COVID and mom dying a few years back my work history is... spotty. Also I have a business degree but no real work experience, and I am pushing 40. I do work now but its of the low wage, unskilled variety. I did home care work for 13 years, warehouse for 7 and marketing for around a year. Not phenomenal by any means. Prolly means I'm trapped under a burning couch, aware of what's happening but powerless to stop it.

Farscry wrote:
Drazzil wrote:

Soooo assuming all is lost in the US, what do we do from here?

If I knew the answer to that (other than "flee the nation", which isn't a feasible option for me) I would probably be a hell of a lot less depressed.

I think there will be secession on the part of the blue states. New England broke off from an oppressive authoritarian regime once and it didn't do it so it could get stuck in another one, and then some others will start to follow suit. I think the red state population will be torn between wanting a fight and being glad that they don't have to deal with the blue states anymore. It'll be messy, but I'm not sure just how messy.

Keldar wrote:
Farscry wrote:
Drazzil wrote:

Soooo assuming all is lost in the US, what do we do from here?

If I knew the answer to that (other than "flee the nation", which isn't a feasible option for me) I would probably be a hell of a lot less depressed.

I think there will be secession on the part of the blue states. New England broke off from an oppressive authoritarian regime once and it didn't do it so it could get stuck in another one, and then some others will start to follow suit. I think the red state population will be torn between wanting a fight and being glad that they don't have to deal with the blue states anymore. It'll be messy, but I'm not sure just how messy.

Oh I am hopeful that the left coast can do something like that... But no I'm talking about what *we* as in this forum should do in real life, to soften the blow... But that actually exceeds the scope of this particular post. I am torn as to whether I should start a new one or if I should. People hate to think about stuff like this.

Keldar wrote:
Farscry wrote:
Drazzil wrote:

Soooo assuming all is lost in the US, what do we do from here?

If I knew the answer to that (other than "flee the nation", which isn't a feasible option for me) I would probably be a hell of a lot less depressed.

I think there will be secession on the part of the blue states. New England broke off from an oppressive authoritarian regime once and it didn't do it so it could get stuck in another one, and then some others will start to follow suit. I think the red state population will be torn between wanting a fight and being glad that they don't have to deal with the blue states anymore. It'll be messy, but I'm not sure just how messy.

If the blue states *do* secede, and the purple states follow... I can imagine the impact of this would be celebration at first, but after a few months to a few years the crisis(es) that would inevitably pop up would cause the red states to come crawling back. I just hope that we don't let them back in. It'd suck having to pay for their reconstruction, and give them representation.

Drazzil wrote:
Keldar wrote:
Farscry wrote:
Drazzil wrote:

Soooo assuming all is lost in the US, what do we do from here?

If I knew the answer to that (other than "flee the nation", which isn't a feasible option for me) I would probably be a hell of a lot less depressed.

I think there will be secession on the part of the blue states. New England broke off from an oppressive authoritarian regime once and it didn't do it so it could get stuck in another one, and then some others will start to follow suit. I think the red state population will be torn between wanting a fight and being glad that they don't have to deal with the blue states anymore. It'll be messy, but I'm not sure just how messy.

If the blue states *do* secede, and the purple states follow... I can imagine the impact of this would be celebration at first, but after a few months to a few years the crisis(es) that would inevitably pop up would cause the red states to come crawling back. I just hope that we don't let them back in. It'd suck having to pay for their reconstruction, and give them representation.

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Drazzil wrote:

Oh I am hopeful that the left coast can do something like that... But no I'm talking about what *we* as in this forum should do in real life, to soften the blow... But that actually exceeds the scope of this particular post. I am torn as to whether I should start a new one or if I should. People hate to think about stuff like this.

I think "build community" Work in your area with groups that support what you believe in, care for those in need, make life better for everyone you can. Small acts of kindness and community are all an individual can really do.

Keldar wrote:
Farscry wrote:
Drazzil wrote:

Soooo assuming all is lost in the US, what do we do from here?

If I knew the answer to that (other than "flee the nation", which isn't a feasible option for me) I would probably be a hell of a lot less depressed.

I think there will be secession on the part of the blue states. New England broke off from an oppressive authoritarian regime once and it didn't do it so it could get stuck in another one, and then some others will start to follow suit. I think the red state population will be torn between wanting a fight and being glad that they don't have to deal with the blue states anymore. It'll be messy, but I'm not sure just how messy.

The unwashed masses would be fine with it but the GOP politicians know how their bread gets buttered and wouldn't allow it.

farley3k wrote:
Drazzil wrote:

Oh I am hopeful that the left coast can do something like that... But no I'm talking about what *we* as in this forum should do in real life, to soften the blow... But that actually exceeds the scope of this particular post. I am torn as to whether I should start a new one or if I should. People hate to think about stuff like this.

I think "build community" Work in your area with groups that support what you believe in, care for those in need, make life better for everyone you can. Small acts of kindness and community are all an individual can really do.

Yes.

Mutual aid.

Mutual aid.

Mutual aid.

As a saintly lady of north Nashville says, "We all we got."

farley3k wrote:
Drazzil wrote:

Oh I am hopeful that the left coast can do something like that... But no I'm talking about what *we* as in this forum should do in real life, to soften the blow... But that actually exceeds the scope of this particular post. I am torn as to whether I should start a new one or if I should. People hate to think about stuff like this.

I think "build community" Work in your area with groups that support what you believe in, care for those in need, make life better for everyone you can. Small acts of kindness and community are all an individual can really do.

This is what I've been trying to put more effort into over the past several years, though my motivation to do so was less future-thinking and more a case of deciding that I needed to actually be a part of solutions rather than just finding myself frustrated and angry with those in power all the time. As my view of our nation's future has grown more dim, that's only motivated me to get more engaged, because at a certain point it really is all going to come down to community survival.

Farscry wrote:
farley3k wrote:
Drazzil wrote:

Oh I am hopeful that the left coast can do something like that... But no I'm talking about what *we* as in this forum should do in real life, to soften the blow... But that actually exceeds the scope of this particular post. I am torn as to whether I should start a new one or if I should. People hate to think about stuff like this.

I think "build community" Work in your area with groups that support what you believe in, care for those in need, make life better for everyone you can. Small acts of kindness and community are all an individual can really do.

This is what I've been trying to put more effort into over the past several years, though my motivation to do so was less future-thinking and more a case of deciding that I needed to actually be a part of solutions rather than just finding myself frustrated and angry with those in power all the time. As my view of our nation's future has grown more dim, that's only motivated me to get more engaged, because at a certain point it really is all going to come down to community survival.

Think of it as inverse prepping.

H.P. Lovesauce wrote:
Farscry wrote:
farley3k wrote:
Drazzil wrote:

Oh I am hopeful that the left coast can do something like that... But no I'm talking about what *we* as in this forum should do in real life, to soften the blow... But that actually exceeds the scope of this particular post. I am torn as to whether I should start a new one or if I should. People hate to think about stuff like this.

I think "build community" Work in your area with groups that support what you believe in, care for those in need, make life better for everyone you can. Small acts of kindness and community are all an individual can really do.

This is what I've been trying to put more effort into over the past several years, though my motivation to do so was less future-thinking and more a case of deciding that I needed to actually be a part of solutions rather than just finding myself frustrated and angry with those in power all the time. As my view of our nation's future has grown more dim, that's only motivated me to get more engaged, because at a certain point it really is all going to come down to community survival.

Think of it as inverse prepping.

Does that mean I'll be the inverse of alive with the SHTF? I keed I keed!

Speaking of does this forum have any smileys or something to show tone? Haven't found em yet.

Drazzil wrote:

Speaking of does this forum have any smileys or something to show tone? Haven't found em yet.

Here.
(they’re listed in the link directly below the text entry box)

Collection of White House Tweets reminding GOP Congress caucus that their pearl-clutching about student debt relief might be a touch hypocritical.