[Discussion] Welcome to the Biden Administration!

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NSMike wrote:

Biden says Election Day should be a day off

Boy do I hope he follows through with this...

We’ve been saying this in my house for years. Also, the voting centers should be open seven days a week for 14 days before the count.

I'm indifferent to the Election Day as a holiday since, no the people who most need it off will not have it off.
But fully agree on length of early voting.

RawkGWJ wrote:
NSMike wrote:

Biden says Election Day should be a day off

Boy do I hope he follows through with this...

We’ve been saying this in my house for years. Also, the voting centers should be open seven days a week for 14 days before the count.

For whom? Often, the people who can get that day off (office workers, etc.) can vote in other ways or can sneak out and those that wouldn't get it off anyway (the working poor) will still have issues with long lines and the right closing voting locations.

It seems that doing this without other voting protections in place would disproportionately benefit white people of a certain SES and indirectly hurt the poor and people of color.

So the Democrats usual playbook.

lunchbox12682 wrote:

I'm indifferent to the Election Day as a holiday since, no the people who most need it off will not have it off.
But fully agree on length of early voting.

This is an important thing to remember. There are tens of millions of people who don’t get days off just because the government proclaims it. Hospitals, restaurants, gas stations, hotels, and pretty much every small business with employees are still staffed on even our most universal holidays, and I doubt you’ll get Christmas levels of business compliance with an Election holiday.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:
RawkGWJ wrote:
NSMike wrote:

Biden says Election Day should be a day off

Boy do I hope he follows through with this...

We’ve been saying this in my house for years. Also, the voting centers should be open seven days a week for 14 days before the count.

For whom? Often, the people who can get that day off (office workers, etc.) can vote in other ways or can sneak out and those that wouldn't get it off anyway (the working poor) will still have issues with long lines and the right closing voting locations.

It seems that doing this without other voting protections in place would disproportionately benefit white people of a certain SES and indirectly hurt the poor and people of color.

So the Democrats usual playbook.

Underrated observation.

Just who do we think makes policy at the leader levels in the Democratic Party?

It's not a daycare worker or a teacher or a carpenter or a retail clerk or a delivery person or an admin assistant or a fire fighter or a staff sergeant or a warehouse forklift operator or a structural engineer or an HVAC installer or a coffee shop owner.

It's an Ivy League grad with limited experience outside the upper echelons of American power.

Federal employees and employees of employers who observe federal holidays getting election day off would be a good thing.

Removing barriers to voting for those who would be unaffected by such a move would also be a good thing.

The latter is arguably more important than the former, but it's not a zero-sum game.

Ok, so seriously, forget about Election Day as a holiday and just have the polls open every single day for two or more weeks before the votes are counted. But also voting by mail should absolutely be guaranteed. And also any kind of voter suppression should be outlawed.

The truth is, Republicans will win very few elections if you take away gerrymandering and voter suppression. So much so that they would have to come much more toward the center or go extinct. The GOP’s own election tampering is truly the only thing that keeps them in a viable and relevant position.

All humans being able to vote should be a constitutional right. Then you can attack voter suppression from an unconstitutional angle.

We'll get to AI/robot/uplifted dolphin voting later but we should be good til then.

On the voting thing, I'll simply be happy if there's more than one voting drop off per county. That seems like a realistic goal...

garion333 wrote:

On the voting thing, I'll simply be happy if there's more than one voting drop off per county. That seems like a realistic goal...

The first Tuesday of November was made Election Day because Congress acknowledged that the mostly rural population needed a day to travel to their polling location, that voters were going to spend their Sunday's at church so it couldn't be Monday, and they needed to be back on their farms to take goods to market on Wednesday.

Weird how similar modern day accommodations and considerations of voter convenience are now viewed as a threat to democracy by some.

OG_slinger wrote:
garion333 wrote:

On the voting thing, I'll simply be happy if there's more than one voting drop off per county. That seems like a realistic goal...

The first Tuesday of November was made Election Day because Congress acknowledged that the mostly rural population needed a day to travel to their polling location, that voters were going to spend their Sunday's at church so it couldn't be Monday, and they needed to be back on their farms to take goods to market on Wednesday.

Weird how similar modern day accommodations and considerations of voter convenience are now viewed as a threat to democracy by some.

It's entirely consistent. They're catering to the same voters as they were back then. People who went to church, could afford to travel to vote, and (back then) were the only ones allowed to vote.

Only about 20% of the population in the 1790's was male, White, owned land and could meet the other financial requirements that many states had for voting. That opened up a bit in the early 19th, but still perhaps a third of the population was eligible in the 1820s, I think.

The idea was that democracy was mob rule, and only those invested in their communities were stable enough to be involved in it. Democracy, for the Founders, was literally exclusionary in nature.

So, we're living through the Founders' nightmare?

That would be my assertion. It's more complicated, though. Revenge of the Slave States might be a better way to put it...

Remember, if Whites are not superior, all that history was actually abusive towards non-Whites, and who wants to think that of their families? Easier to deny it than to shoulder the responsibility...

Is that a cynical, postmodern view that will eventually go out of style or a more realistic view? I struggle with that a lot.

Was Sinema the one wearing the “f*ck you” ring? If so there’s your answer.

I am in no way inclined to Post-Modernism.

That's what a post-modernist would say!

Our whole current world is infused with postmodernism thinking, whether one is inclined or not.

Anyway, sorry for the derail. Go team blue-ish!

garion333 wrote:

Our whole current world is infused with postmodernism thinking, whether one is inclined or not.

I'm well familiar with the failure of many people to actually think critically. The tools you pick are important, but how you apply them is crucial to getting to an accurate understanding of the world. Philosophy of science and it's related studies (epistomology, logic, phil. of mathematics) work hard to establish an understanding of why we can perceive the same things in similar ways; how the world works; and other consensual perceptions of the world that fly in the face of the idea that we all perceive everything differently. Not only do these concepts lead us to more and more useful methods in various fields of study, they improve over time, becoming more useful as we go. That's goodness.

Postmodern philosophy and Deconstructionism reject these ideas, and even though over a century of epistemology contradicts what few coherent points exist in their melange of handwaving and droning words, they insist that everything we know is wrong. But they don't offer an alternative understanding that better explains the world. Deconstructionism is a 50-odd year retrograde detour that's removed otherwise capable minds from useful examinations of the world. It's a shame, really.

I agree with Robear.

Some things are open to interpretation; poems, paintings, sculptures, stories, movies, the Bible, etc. Taking a postmodernism view at those things is good and I encourage it.

There are many other things that require and demand a more objective approach. Applying postmodernism to principles of science is just plain wrong. The same goes for laws and social policies.

Manchin is playing the most dangerous game.

Hats off to someone like Maggie Hassan for playing the game without being a total jerk about it.

Manchin will probably end up re-elected while Hassan will be booted. I hope not, but we continue along this dark line.

In 2020 alone, Manchin raked in nearly $500,000 of income from Enersystems, and he owns as much as $5m worth of stock in the company, according to his most recent financial disclosure.

Man! He's really one of the common folks of West Virginia. Must be nice to do absolutely nothing and collect 1/2 a million dollars.

The Democrats are so disappointing.

Democrats’ $3.5 trillion budget package funds family programs, clean energy and Medicare expansion

For now, here are the topline projects the budget bill would fund:

Create a national comprehensive paid family and medical leave program.
Fund free universal preschool for all 3- and 4-year-olds.
Fund free community college for all students, expand the total amount of Pell Grants, and increase the maximum individual award.
Expand access to the summer EBT program, which helps some low-income families with children buy food outside the school year.
Extend the $1.9 trillion Covid stimulus plan’s provision lowering health insurance premiums for those who buy coverage on their own.
Extend the child tax credit expansion that was included in the Covid relief bill.
The bill also contains money for clean energy programs, many of which were cut from the bipartisan infrastructure deal during earlier negotiations with Republicans.

These include tax incentives for clean energy and electric vehicles, a Civilian Climate Corps program for young people and energy-efficient building weatherization and electrification projects.

Before anyone asks Manchin has already announced he’s onboard with the Reconciliation bill. As annoying as it is that our pivotal vote is the Democratic Senator from West Virginia I’ll take him over a Republican.

DSGamer wrote:

The Democrats are so disappointing.

Most Democrats, and certainly most in Congress, are not progressives. So you can renew this post every day because they almost surely won't respond with alacrity to the urgency of the moment. They need to be pushed, day in and day out.

Natus wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

The Democrats are so disappointing.

Most Democrats, and certainly most in Congress, are not progressives. So you can renew this post every day because they almost surely won't respond with alacrity to the urgency of the moment. They need to be pushed, day in and day out.

Reminds me of Democrats here in Maryland celebrating that they've controlled the state for literally twice my lifetime. Yeah, but we are so Blue Dog here it doesn't mean much. There's barely a progressive in our state party, and most of them are old monied crooks that say "yay higher taxes!" as they collect their kickbacks.

(For proof of this, look at Baltimore, a city that I love but is deeply, deeply corrupt.)

Vrikk wrote:
Natus wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

The Democrats are so disappointing.

Most Democrats, and certainly most in Congress, are not progressives. So you can renew this post every day because they almost surely won't respond with alacrity to the urgency of the moment. They need to be pushed, day in and day out.

Reminds me of Democrats here in Maryland celebrating that they've controlled the state for literally twice my lifetime. Yeah, but we are so Blue Dog here it doesn't mean much. There's barely a progressive in our state party, and most of them are old monied crooks that say "yay higher taxes!" as they collect their kickbacks.

(For proof of this, look at Baltimore, a city that I love but is deeply, deeply corrupt.)

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