[Discussion] Welcome to the Biden Administration!

Anything related to Biden and his upcoming administration. May this thread be less active and controversial as that last guys thread.

fangblackbone wrote:

So nice to see all the negativity before the administration elect takes office or starts listing cabinet members.
The same administration with a Black-Indian woman as vice president and gave speeches and a giant sign displaying: Empathy, Truth, Science, Healing, etc.

But you guys do you and as much as I love AOC, her promoting of the nothing burger that is moderates blaming progressives for election losses as a way to strengthen the GA senate runoffs is hyperbolic and wrong.

I was looking forward to hearing reporting on exciting and diverse cabinet members in this thread but I am going to check out.

Mods, can we make a bitter repository thread for the real progressives (tm) to complain in since they have no interest in discussion?

That would be duplicate threads, which we generally try to avoid. You can still report on exciting and diverse cabinet members ( f*ck YES so many women and lgbtq+ ppls) and bypass the posts that you don't like. Multiple concurrent conversations happen here all the time. Opinions aren't zero sum, and negative ones can also run concurrently to positive ones. D&D hasn't historically been a positive hugfest regarding political activity, so now isn't exactly the time to expect it to start.

I know it's frustrating to be filled with renewed hope and having people fixate on the problematic elements of current political climates and rain on your parade. Be that as it may, you don't get to demand that the environment change to suit your preference, you either adjust your own behavior or expectations, contribute the content you're hoping to see, or hash it out.

OG_slinger wrote:

That's probably because his COVID plan addresses how to get the disease under control and his Economic Recovery plan addresses the economy which the author of the tweet would have realized if they just clicked on the giant "Economic Recovery" banner at the bottom of the Combating COVID-19 page they supposedly just read.

Which one of these points, in your opinion, covers "stimulus relief for Americans?" Sure, if you're completely out of a job having extended unemployment insurance might help a little.

-Provide state, local, and tribal governments with the aid they need so educators, firefighters, and other essential workers aren’t being laid off.

-Extend COVID crisis unemployment insurance to help those who are out of work.

-Provide a comeback package for Main Street businesses and entrepreneurs.

-Immediately put people to work by enlisting them to help fight the pandemic, including through a Public Health Jobs Corps.

The rest of that link just covers long term plans, as far as I can see. None of that is going to help put food in peoples' mouths, roofs over their heads, or money in their accounts any time soon.

Unemployment insurance is a state function, extending that just means more of whatever states pay out, which is never a replacement for someone's full wages, and if you weren't making that much in the first place, isn't enough to live on.

Freyja wrote:

Unemployment insurance is a state function, extending that just means more of whatever states pay out, which is never a replacement for someone's full wages, and if you weren't making that much in the first place, isn't enough to live on.

Well then I'm sure there must be something else in that link that qualifies as "stimulus relief," surely.

Sure looking forward to this guy, who's state went to Trump by 8 points, talking in the President's ear the whole time about how listening to him wins elections and not, y'know, the actual results of this round of elections.

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status...

r013nt0 wrote:

Which one of these points, in your opinion, covers "stimulus relief for Americans?" Sure, if you're completely out of a job having extended unemployment insurance might help a little.

-Provide state, local, and tribal governments with the aid they need so educators, firefighters, and other essential workers aren’t being laid off.

-Extend COVID crisis unemployment insurance to help those who are out of work.

-Provide a comeback package for Main Street businesses and entrepreneurs.

-Immediately put people to work by enlisting them to help fight the pandemic, including through a Public Health Jobs Corps.

The rest of that link just covers long term plans, as far as I can see. None of that is going to help put food in peoples' mouths, roofs over their heads, or money in their accounts any time soon.

You mean the second stimulus relief that's being negotiated by the current administration and Congress and that may--or may not--be passed long before Biden even takes the oath of office? Would it make you feel better for Biden to step in the middle of that negotiation by insisting on a stimulus and thereby guarantee that Trump would block it just because he's a petty, vindictive little f*ck? Or maybe he shouldn't say anything because there's a slim chance that might mean people get some relief before January (which isn't even guaranteed unless Democrats win the Georgia Senate runoff).

There's about 12.5 million Americans on unemployment right now. In addition to extending how long people could receive those benefits Biden has previously said he'd work with Congress to reinstate the extra $600 a week crisis payments that should continue "however long this crisis lasts." That will help "more than a little."

All of these bullet points plans have been recycled from Biden's campaign website, which is what you would expect from a campaign that is just beginning to switch over to a transition team that will have to flesh them out into actionable plans and, very likely, have to radically change them based on changing conditions.

You could accept that or you could just bitch that because one of the first documents Biden's transition team put out two days after winning the election didn't completely tickle your balls so it one hundo percent means his entire administration is going to be a complete and total failure.

Freyja wrote:

Sure looking forward to this guy, who's state went to Trump by 8 points, talking in the President's ear the whole time about how listening to him wins elections and not, y'know, the actual results of this round of elections.

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status...

Kasich surprised me this weekend with his sharp right turn so soon after the election. Thought he'd keep up the façade through January.

OG_slinger wrote:

You mean the ...

No, I am asking where, specifically, in that link that you posted, snarkily saying that the author should have read something does it say anything about the relief that they were writing about?

You were super eager to sh*t on the tweet, so I figured you must have read something I didn't.

Wouldn't it be sweet if Biden gets his senate majority if enough Trump voters stay home because without The Donald at the top of the ticket to vote for, they don't care?

cheeze_pavilion wrote:

Wouldn't it be sweet if Biden gets his senate majority if enough Trump voters stay home because without The Donald at the top of the ticket to vote for, they don't care?

I find this interesting because I guess this will be the first very real test of was Trump driving people to the polls for the Republicans or were the Republicans going to get this level of support regardless.

Considering how soon it's going to happen also I'm not sure if there will be any concrete analysis until before it happens.

David Farrar has his dream Biden cabinet picked out already and I think "f*ckin' Yikes!" just about covers it:

State: Mitt Romney
Treasury: Lawrence Summers
Defence: Pete Buttigieg
Attorney-General: Geoffrey Berman
Education: Michelle Rhee
Homeland Security: Tammy Duckworth
Trade: Paul Ryan
DNI: David Petraeus
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Look, I love Tammy and all, but yeah. Yikes.

Love to privatise medicare from here in *checks notes* New Zealand.

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(in regards to David Farrar, who I've never heard of)

Alright, nothing Biden dose will be good enough, regardless of circumstances, or what he actually ends up doing since we’re still in the hypothetical phase, seeing as he’s not actually president yet.

Glad we’ve established that.

Please provide the appropriate window when it is permissible to criticize the President, if you'd be so kind.

e: Also, unironically, yes? If a utopia isn't even possible, it's certainly not possible when so much deadly power is invested in one person. So yes, nothing the President does, no matter who they are, will ever be 'good enough' for the entire US population, let alone the global effects that the decisions made by the US President has. That's part of the job, that's the nature of concentrating so much power at the top of a hierarchical system.

If nothing a President does is 'good enough', that's a problem with the President or the apparatus the President leads. Not the people at the lower rungs saying 'this isn't enough'.

*edited because it was a unfair and not that helpful. Probably still not helpful but at least a bit closer.*

I would think that - "when he has done an action as president" might be a fair window.

I kind of get it, many people dislike Biden but people who are optimistic about the new administration are not horrible, evil people because of that and sometimes it comes across that anyone who supports Biden is horrible and evil.

It's like you can't even roast a New Zealand based pundit about his Cabinet fanfic without people saying you're gonna gulag anyone who's ever said a nice word about Biden. :V

For some reason that "you're gonna gulag..." line made me think of Spaceballs.

"Is beaming safe? Oh Yes, Scotty beamed me twice last night, it was wonderful"

r013nt0 wrote:

David Farrar has his dream Biden cabinet picked out already and I think "f*ckin' Yikes!" just about covers it:

State: Mitt Romney
Treasury: Lawrence Summers
Defence: Pete Buttigieg
Attorney-General: Geoffrey Berman
Education: Michelle Rhee
Homeland Security: Tammy Duckworth
Trade: Paul Ryan
DNI: David Petraeus
======

Look, I love Tammy and all, but yeah. Yikes.

Yikes is correct. David Petraeus can't be trusted with confidential information, that's already been proven. Mitt Romney, come on. Larry Summers, double come on. PAUL RYAN? What is this dude huffing?

I think at least a minimum requirement for a Cabinet spot should be "Can understand what your favorite band's lyrics are about".

farley3k wrote:

I would think that - "when he has done an action as president" might be a fair window.

I kind of get it, you hate him - and you have very valid reasons for your feelings - but not everyone does and they are not all horrible, evil people because of that and sometimes it comes across that anyone who supports Biden is horrible and evil.

This is projecting a lot, and taking other people's generalized concerns and fears VERY personally. Viewing critiques of one's president is an attack on onself does you and no one else any favors.

That said, depending on how Georgia goes, I'd be up for Biden nominating a Republican senator or two from states with Dem govs

Tanglebones wrote:

That said, depending on how Georgia goes, I'd be up for Biden nominating a Republican senator or two from states with Dem govs

I was going to say, they aren't dumb enough to fall for that, but....

At this point, I'm just relieved that Biden won.

Tach wrote:

Yikes is correct. David Petraeus can't be trusted with confidential information, that's already been proven. Mitt Romney, come on. Larry Summers, double come on. PAUL RYAN? What is this dude huffing?

Turns out even the Kiwis have their right-wing dipsh*ts. However, they also have incredibly good chocolate milk, so I'd say on balance they're still pretty great.

My favorite part of his tweet is that he keeps replying to people asking him what the hell he's on about by saying it's all a great strategy since Republicans would be fully on board and vote to confirm.

JC wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:

That said, depending on how Georgia goes, I'd be up for Biden nominating a Republican senator or two from states with Dem govs

I was going to say, they aren't dumb enough to fall for that, but....

There's got to be one that's up in 2022 that thinks they can get away with it. Or maybe a 2nd fiddle like, ugh, Rand Paul, in ky. He's in Mitch's shadow.

I saw a list somewhere, there's like 10 possibilities of R senator with D gov.

Why would Pete be a good SECDEF? Because he served? I know Esper has made the bar pretty low, but come on.

was Pete an officer? Or is this just a thank you for him being a good surrogate during the general campaign? Say I’m stupid but I would love if Biden asked Mattis back.

I highly doubt anyone that served in Trump’s administration is going to be invited back unless they were a whistleblower. Even then, the stain of Trump is something that cannot and should not be forgotten. Rewarding anyone that served under Trump (meaning appointed by him or his cronies) with another job in government seems like a bad idea.

You think I'm hot about Biden, just wait until VP Harris' track record with incarcerated trans women comes up.

JC wrote:

I highly doubt anyone that served in Trump’s administration is going to be invited back unless they were a whistleblower. Even then, the stain of Trump is something that cannot and should not be forgotten. Rewarding anyone that served under Trump (meaning appointed by him or his cronies) with another job in government seems like a bad idea.

While true, I think Mattis is the only one I would agree to bring back if he was asked. He is a consummate professional and if I remember right he was against the sh*t Trump tried to pull with the transgender servicemembers.

But yes. Someone new is my Option A.