[Discussion] Welcome to the Biden Administration!

Anything related to Biden and his upcoming administration. May this thread be less active and controversial as that last guys thread.

Natus wrote:

Hair-sniffing and unsolicited touching is not sexual assault.

That depends on the context. However, what I said and what I was referring to was sexual misconduct.

Natus wrote:

Let's nor pretend the GOP cares about women.

I'm not sure where this is coming from, because no one here is supporting this premise. The idea that the GOP cares about women is laughable! It has been and probably will continue to be extremely hateful towards women.

Natus wrote:

As for complacency, yes, some Dems became complacent, sure. But who would have thought after Obama that the American public wanted the complete opposite? Who would have thought that half the country was red-hot for fascism? But, to be clear, it wasn't Democratic complacency that invited the rise of Trump. His candidacy was absolutely reactionary spasm from white America. Now we're rid of Trump stuck with MAGA. It doesn't look good.

Bolded part for emphasis. Is this sarcasm? None of this is surprising, it's codified in the DNA of this country. I do feel the exstant democratic party is/was spineless, and will be interested to see how the new democratic socialists push it to be better and take ownership of their own responsibility. There's no doubt the democratic party were hamstringed by the GOP, and willlikely continue to be hamstringed by them. I don't have a lot of faith in them not bending over backward across the isle to appease them in order to enact policy.

SallyNasty wrote:

Tread lightly when you tell others what is and isn't sexual assault.

Yes, I will. I am referring to the direct accusation of sexual assault by Tara Reade and other allegations that Biden was inappropriately touchy and close to women, detailed, among other places, here. AFAIK, Biden was only accused of sexual assault by Ms. Reade.

Natus wrote:
SallyNasty wrote:

Tread lightly when you tell others what is and isn't sexual assault.

Yes, I will. I am referring to the direct accusation of sexual assault by Tara Reade and other allegations that Biden was inappropriately touchy and close to women, detailed, among other places, here. AFAIK, Biden was only accused of sexual assault by Ms. Reade.

That’s why Amoebic used the term “sex pest”.

Look, these are going to be a long 4 years if we hold Biden to a completely different standard than Trump, and we definitely have to be aware of disinformation.

But if we want to live in a better world and prove that the standards Trump set are not the standards going forward, we’re also going to have to be extremely honest in ways his followers weren’t.

Quickly looking over the potential cabinet list - hopefully they will be vetted BUT it does seem at least all of them have actual experience and/or education for the posts that they are up for.

DSGamer wrote:
Natus wrote:
SallyNasty wrote:

Tread lightly when you tell others what is and isn't sexual assault.

Yes, I will. I am referring to the direct accusation of sexual assault by Tara Reade and other allegations that Biden was inappropriately touchy and close to women, detailed, among other places, here. AFAIK, Biden was only accused of sexual assault by Ms. Reade.

That’s why Amoebic used the term “sex pest”.

A needlessly inflammatory term vague in its definition. And if we are going to (justifiably) flay Biden with these accusations, let's not forget the Anita Hill hearings. All of which should shed some light on how his administration will treat women, which I assume is where Amoebic was going.

DSGamer wrote:

Look, these are going to be a long 4 years if we hold Biden to a completely different standard than Trump, and we definitely have to be aware of disinformation.

I don't hold Biden or the Democrats to any different standard, which is why I voted for Warren and why I hope Harris will eventually take over as POTUS. The Dems have a lot of work to do in this area, and it's not enough to be less vile than Trump and the GOP.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ends truce by warning ‘incompetent’ Democratic party

“So I need my colleagues to understand that we are not the enemy,” she said. “And that their base is not the enemy. That the Movement for Black Lives is not the enemy, that Medicare for all is not the enemy. This isn’t even just about winning an argument. It’s that if they keep going after the wrong thing, I mean, they’re just setting up their own obsolescence.”

I love this response from the interview

Asked what her “macro takeaway” was from the election, she said: “Well, I think the central one is that we aren’t in a freefall to hell anymore.”

I'm a huge fan of hers and I hope that she and others like her are able to have success pushing progressivism into the party.

polypusher wrote:

I love this response from the interview

Asked what her “macro takeaway” was from the election, she said: “Well, I think the central one is that we aren’t in a freefall to hell anymore.”

I'm a huge fan of hers and I hope that she and others like her are able to have success pushing progressivism into the party.

Absolute same. And she will get a lot of push-back, because Dems are so frightened by the close election.

Biden's past behavior of non-consensual touching is his to own and everyone is entitled to their own opinions about his moral character/decency. Maybe these ideas will always be moving targets for all of us. Maybe these ideas like so many others exist on a spectrum. I certainly don't have all the answers.

What I do know is that Biden has repeatedly demonstrated real empathy and that one quality has been something that has been missing entirely for the last four years.

Natus wrote:

A needlessly inflammatory term vague in its definition. And if we are going to (justifiably) flay Biden with these accusations, let's not forget the Anita Hill hearings. All of which should shed some light on how his administration will treat women, which I assume is where Amoebic was going.

"Flaying" with "accusations?" I honestly think you and I are thinking and talking about two different things that are known or thought about Biden. I'm talking about the handsy-ness, kissing, touching, and sniffing that's been a known quantity from him for years. You seem to be talking about allegations regarding sexual assault. There's a letter of degree here regarding conduct discussed, so lets not muddy the waters by taking it to the full possible extent of the read.

A quick internet search will present no shortage of him being creepy to a variety of women and girls at various public events throughout the years. That is specifically the part I was talking about when someone said something about him behaving with decency. That's all. This "conversation" is drawing this out to the worst possible extent and aligning my comments about his lack of previous decency to assuming it's about claims regarding sexual assault and the administration as a whole moving forward. I'm sorry, but that's a stretch I am not willing to claim, and I'm becoming tired of having to defend against what I didn't say.

But since you mentioned the Hill trial, it took nearly 30 years (i.e. the beginning of his presidential campaign last year) for him to offer a lackluster apology, sorry if it didn't really hit my radar back then. But upon reflection, I still remain unconvinced by such an empty gesture and how it was timed. So if we're going to make assumptions about its impact on how the administration will treat women...30 years is a long time ago. The world is a very different place and I think that's a strong deciding factor in how women's issues will be dealt with today.

Despite all of this, he still got to be president, so now he'll have handlers and PR that will hopefully render this a non-issue enough to justify his value to the public. Especially with picking a Black woman as VP. I think that was a bold strategic move and a well-placed choice to attempt to counter his disappointing track history with (1) how he engages with women publicly in person, (2) his responsibility in how the Hill trial was conducted, and (2) how he handled policies involving women's issues in the past.

I don't doubt he could have changed. People change all the time and it's never too late to come around to being a better person and treating everyone with the same bodily autonomy and respect that one would expect for themselves. I'm not going to make assumptions about that, though. I would like to be surprised but won't be holding my breath.

Natus wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

Look, these are going to be a long 4 years if we hold Biden to a completely different standard than Trump, and we definitely have to be aware of disinformation.

I don't hold Biden or the Democrats to any different standard, which is why I voted for Warren and why I hope Harris will eventually take over as POTUS. The Dems have a lot of work to do in this area, and it's not enough to be less vile than Trump and the GOP.

Again, bolded for emphasis. So we're both are generally in agreement and essentially saying the same things, and yet...mentioning specific words in saying Biden acts like a typical creepy druncle was a step too far I guess?

Natus wrote:

Oh stop it with the dezinformatsiya

Most of this was a GOP ploy to make Biden like Trump. They failed. The Reade story faded because she was unreliable and clearly a GOP pawn.

Cool rape apologia bro. I forgot we believe women around here unless they accuse our liege-lord Joseph Robinette Biden Jr., in which case they're credulous dupes of the Russians.

Clearly a GOP pawn? The f*ck outta here with that.

I'm glad it's not just me this time crying out in the wilderness about Biden's creepiness with the touchy-feely thing.

A little-known Trump appointee is in charge of handing transition resources to Biden — and she isn’t budging

Washington Post wrote:

A Trump administration appointee is refusing to sign a letter allowing President-elect Joe Biden’s transition team to formally begin its work this week, in another sign the incumbent president has not acknowledged Biden’s victory and could disrupt the transfer of power.

The administrator of the General Services Administration, the low-profile agency in charge of federal buildings, has a little-known role when a new president is elected: to sign paperwork officially turning over millions of dollars, as well as giving access to government officials, office space and equipment authorized for the taxpayer-funded transition teams of the winner.

It amounts to a formal declaration by the federal government, outside of the media, of the winner of the presidential race.

But by Sunday evening, almost 36 hours after media outlets projected Biden as the winner, GSA Administrator Emily Murphy had written no such letter. And the Trump administration, in keeping with the president’s failure to concede the election, has no immediate plans to sign one. This could lead to the first transition delay in modern history, except in 2000, when the Supreme Court decided a recount dispute between Al Gore and George W. Bush in December.

“An ascertainment has not yet been made,” Pamela Pennington, a spokeswoman for GSA, said in an email, “and its Administrator will continue to abide by, and fulfill, all requirements under the law.”

The GSA statement left experts on federal transitions to wonder when the White House expects the handoff from one administration to the next to begin — when the president has exhausted his legal avenues to fight the results, or the formal vote of the electoral college on Dec. 14? There are 74 days, as of Sunday, till the Biden inauguration on Jan. 20.

“No agency head is going to get out in front of the president on transition issues right now,” said one senior administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly. The official predicted that agency heads will be told not to talk to the Biden team.

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The delay has implications both practical and symbolic.

By declaring the “apparent winner” of a presidential election, the GSA administrator releases computer systems and money for salaries and administrative support for the mammoth undertaking of setting up a new government — $9.9 million this year.

Transition officials get government email addresses. They get office space at every federal agency. They can begin to work with the Office of Government Ethics to process financial disclosure and conflict-of-interest forms for their nominees.

And they get access to senior officials, both political appointees of the outgoing administration and career civil servants, who relay an agency’s ongoing priorities and projects, upcoming deadlines, problem areas and risks. The federal government is a $4.5 trillion operation, and while the Biden team is not new to government, the access is critical, experts said.

This is all on hold for now.

Just read that. Also Trump used that office to kill the new FBI HQ building that's been planned for a decade because the old one was going to be sold to a hotel and he didn't want the competition.

I know he's done so much awful sh*t but this has to be in the top 100: screwing the FBI for his own profit.

It'll be sobering to see what will be uncovered about this administration when roles start to get filled and people take a look at what was done (or not done, as the case may be). The Trump administration has been notoriously slow about proper response procedures in the past, and they've got all the reason to delay as much as possible. There's likely no shortage of inadequacy, corruption, negligence, malfeasance, narcissism, and stupidity they'll need to try to obfuscate or cover-up.

I’m not surprised that the administrator of the GSA hasn’t moved. Just look at the silence from nearly ALL the republicans. The most petulant and obstructionist administration is going to act this way till the bitter end.

Amoebic wrote:

It'll be sobering to see what will be uncovered about this administration when roles start to get filled and people take a look at what was done (or not done, as the case may be). The Trump administration has been notoriously slow about proper response procedures in the past, and they've got all the reason to delay as much as possible. There's likely no shortage of inadequacy, corruption, negligence, malfeasance, narcissism, and stupidity they'll need to try to obfuscate or cover-up.

You forgot nepotism.

JC wrote:

I’m not surprised that the administrator of the GSA hasn’t moved. Just look at the silence from nearly ALL the republicans. The most petulant and obstructionist administration is going to act this way till the bitter end.

This is why I do not try to find a center lane with republicans. No hand shakes. They never give ground or concede so why are the Democrats always the one that have to adapt?

Amoebic wrote:

It'll be sobering to see what will be uncovered about this administration when roles start to get filled and people take a look at what was done (or not done, as the case may be). The Trump administration has been notoriously slow about proper response procedures in the past, and they've got all the reason to delay as much as possible. There's likely no shortage of inadequacy, corruption, negligence, malfeasance, narcissism, and stupidity they'll need to try to obfuscate or cover-up.

As a (Canadian) federal public servant, I can guarantee that as soon as Biden takes control, there will be an incredibly long line of public servants getting ready to blow the whistle on the sh*tty stuff Trump's appointees have done.

The overwhelming majority of public servants have a great desire to serve the public, and serve it well. We accept the political side of the government can change the direction, but do it the right way, and do it for legitimate reasons that we (public servants) can defend to our family and friends.

mudbunny wrote:
Amoebic wrote:

It'll be sobering to see what will be uncovered about this administration when roles start to get filled and people take a look at what was done (or not done, as the case may be). The Trump administration has been notoriously slow about proper response procedures in the past, and they've got all the reason to delay as much as possible. There's likely no shortage of inadequacy, corruption, negligence, malfeasance, narcissism, and stupidity they'll need to try to obfuscate or cover-up.

As a (Canadian) federal public servant, I can guarantee that as soon as Biden takes control, there will be an incredibly long line of public servants getting ready to blow the whistle on the sh*tty stuff Trump's appointees have done.

The overwhelming majority of public servants have a great desire to serve the public, and serve it well. We accept the political side of the government can change the direction, but do it the right way, and do it for legitimate reasons that we (public servants) can defend to our family and friends.

As a state level public servant, I would like to add, that there will be receipts.

I'm sure Trump and his toadies have ignored public records laws left and right, but everyone on down the chain will have e-mails, contracts, memos etc.

Top_Shelf wrote:
Amoebic wrote:

It'll be sobering to see what will be uncovered about this administration when roles start to get filled and people take a look at what was done (or not done, as the case may be). The Trump administration has been notoriously slow about proper response procedures in the past, and they've got all the reason to delay as much as possible. There's likely no shortage of inadequacy, corruption, negligence, malfeasance, narcissism, and stupidity they'll need to try to obfuscate or cover-up.

You forgot nepotism.

I already had too many adjectives!

Amoebic wrote:

It'll be sobering to see what will be uncovered about this administration when roles start to get filled and people take a look at what was done (or not done, as the case may be). The Trump administration has been notoriously slow about proper response procedures in the past, and they've got all the reason to delay as much as possible. There's likely no shortage of inadequacy, corruption, negligence, malfeasance, narcissism, and stupidity they'll need to try to obfuscate or cover-up.

The good news is that they'll do a negligent and inadequate job of covering it up, and they're narcissistic and stupid enough to think, "this is great work, they'll never figure it out now".

bekkilyn wrote:

I'm glad it's not just me this time crying out in the wilderness about Biden's creepiness with the touchy-feely thing. :)

You and almost everyone else except his most ardent defenders. He himself admitted he had to change his behavior after eight women came forward to confirm said creepiness.

Freyja wrote:

Cool rape apologia bro. I forgot we believe women around here unless they accuse our liege-lord Joseph Robinette Biden Jr., in which case they're credulous dupes of the Russians.

Nice try. I wanted Franken to resign and there are still Democrats growling about it. You can absolutely lump me in with Stacey Abrams, Elizabeth Warren, and Kirsten Gillibrand who all supported Biden before he won the Democratic primary when it became clear that Reade's testimony was less than consistent, her star attorney dropped her, that Reade has had a history of lying to defray rent costs and misrepresenting her career achievements. The reporter working longest on the story couldn't publish due to lack of corroboration, and neither could the NYT, the AP, or WaPo. Lara Trump wanted Reade to speak at the RNC, and Reade was willing...why didn't she, if this story held any teeth? Would the Trump campaign have thought that was too sordid?

The Russian disinformation I cited was that one of Reade's lawyers is William Moran, a former editor for Sputnik.

Ah yes, I forgot we only believe *perfect* victims who act only the way we want them to act.

The Russian disinformation I cited was that one of Reade's lawyers is William Moran, a former editor for Sputnik.

So you cited...a conspiracy theory? Yeah, definitely, it was the Russkies the whole time.

e: On a personal note, seeing the endorsements for the long version of "the bitch was lying, she talked to a republican and a russian" makes me think I made a mistake coming back here if this flies. Can y'all DM me so I know who not to trust?

Freyja wrote:

Can y'all DM me so I know who not to trust?

Isn't that going a little far? Let's not segregate each other into groups since we are all not saying that Biden is as bad as Trump.

The Goodjer you are responding to has said that Biden has done some creepy stuff, but to instantly say "yay we have another rapist and assaulter in the WH!" is disingenious. We don't have Biden on tape saying that he wants to date his daughter, an Access Hollywood tape, or anything like that.

Biden is a white male in power, and has acted like one in the past. But he has said that he will work on it, which is miles better than what Trump has said. All Trump does is double down. Biden is not Trump. Trump is his own category, and I really wish he stays that way.

I'm not overjoyed that Biden won, but I'll take someone that I don't cringe whenever I hear his name. I'm relieved that we took a step forward and not three steps back.

"Not Trump" != "Incapable of sexual assault"

I also didn't say "Biden is the same as Trump"

So no, it's not going a little far. I've been raped twice in my life by people with power over me and wasn't believed either time.

So yeah, seeing people here endorse believing Joe Biden based largely on "well he's not as bad as the guy next to Mussolini" isn't particularly reassuring, no. Posting on the same forum as me doesn't, and shouldn't override that.

Freyja wrote:

"Not Trump" != "Incapable of sexual assault"

I also didn't say "Biden is the same as Trump"

So no, it's not going a little far. I've been raped twice in my life by people with power over me and wasn't believed either time.

So yeah, seeing people here endorse believing Joe Biden based largely on "well he's not as bad as the guy next to Mussolini" isn't particularly reassuring, no. Posting on the same forum as me doesn't, and shouldn't override that.

Whether or not Biden is incapable of sexual assault is different from whether or not Biden committed sexual assault.

Okay. "Not Trump" also does not equal "Didn't do a sexual assault". Happy?

Love all the dudes popping out of the woodwork with the answer to the question "Where does #BelieveWomen end? And it's "The incoming Democratic President".

And on top of that, even if he 100% didn't sexually assault Tara Reade, the general consensus being "Well he's definitely handsy with women and verifiably kind of a sex pest but, hey, not Trump right?" is still, for the record, gross to defend.

It's as though we live in an imperfect, problematic, and gross world filled with imperfect, problematic, and gross people.