[Discussion] Election 2020

Seems like the board is set. Let’s see how this goes.

Oh man, Donny is gonna be pissed when Biden get higher ratings than he does.

Mantid wrote:
JC wrote:

So tomorrow there is a "Biden Town Hall" and a "Trump Town Hall" on different stations....

Talk about strengthening confirmation bias and living in bubbles....

To be fair, it was supposed to be a debate until one of the candidates got sick. So they decided to make it a virtual debate, which one of the candidates threw a fit over. So they made it a town hall, so the other candidate decided to have his own town hall the same night.

yup- and it's now impossible for a viewer to see and compare the differing viewpoints and behaviors of each individual in real time. Democracy is dead.

Chumpy_McChump wrote:
Mixolyde wrote:

.This behavior was mostly as a response to the Bork hearing where he answered questions fully and honestly and his nomination was pulled. But that was because his views were abhorrent.

Ummm... isn’t that sort of the point? Why else would they hold hearings? Nominations should be just that - nominations, not appointments. If nobody is allowed to expect actual answers to questions, and the “hearings” have no impact on the decision to confirm or deny an appointment, the process is pure theater.

Exactly. But Kavanaugh proved the process is sham. There were more than enough problems to deny him. And holy crap they've stuffed the courts full of hundreds of judges. Surely they could find someone that was less of a drunk, rapist, perjurer to put on the court.

Stele wrote:
Chumpy_McChump wrote:
Mixolyde wrote:

.This behavior was mostly as a response to the Bork hearing where he answered questions fully and honestly and his nomination was pulled. But that was because his views were abhorrent.

Ummm... isn’t that sort of the point? Why else would they hold hearings? Nominations should be just that - nominations, not appointments. If nobody is allowed to expect actual answers to questions, and the “hearings” have no impact on the decision to confirm or deny an appointment, the process is pure theater.

Exactly. But Kavanaugh proved the process is sham. There were more than enough problems to deny him. And holy crap they've stuffed the courts full of hundreds of judges. Surely they could find someone that was less of a drunk, rapist, perjurer to put on the court.

I was proved a shame WAY before Kavanagh. Kennedy (obviously, he was the first to use the strategy) Roberts, Miers, Alito, even Sotomayor and Kagan if we're being honest.

thrawn82 wrote:
Stele wrote:

Exactly. But Kavanaugh proved the process is sham. There were more than enough problems to deny him. And holy crap they've stuffed the courts full of hundreds of judges. Surely they could find someone that was less of a drunk, rapist, perjurer to put on the court.

I was proved a shame WAY before Kavanagh. Kennedy (obviously, he was the first to use the strategy) Roberts, Miers, Alito, even Sotomayor and Kagan if we're being honest.

This is why I palm my own face when all of the news headlines act like it’s a big mystery of whether or not she’ll be confirmed. There is no question about it. She will be confirmed. If Vegas was taking bets I’d put every penny of my savings on yes for confirmation. I can’t think of any reason for it to go the other way. This isn’t an unbiased process. It’s a f*cking LOCK!!

Jonman wrote:

Oh man, Donny is gonna be pissed when Biden get higher ratings than he does.

Is that supposed to be the same Donny that had the 'biggest inauguration crowd'? and the 'highest ratings ever' for everything he's ever done? He'll never see a thing that accurately compares ratings.

Posting here is the new "I Voted" sticker, right? Cuz I got my ballot yesterday, filled it out today, and dropping it off immediately after work. So maybe I need a temporary "Will have voted" sticker.

I'd tend to think that Trumps town hall will draw a larger crowd. One because his supporters won't follow rules. And two because he is more of a loud mouth and have the magic bullet of "what outlandish thing will he say next?"

fangblackbone wrote:

I'd tend to think that Trumps town hall will draw a larger crowd. One because his supporters won't follow rules. And two because he is more of a loud mouth and have the magic bullet of "what outlandish thing will he say next?"

Oh. So Howard Stern should run for POTUS?

I think that a lot of us are bored of being shot daily with that magic bullet, and have no interest in willingly standing in front of that gun anymore.

Voted yesterday. Johnson County, IA did a great thing of having drive through voting at a parking ramp attached to the county offices.

You drive up, show your ID, they give you a ballot, you pull up stop and fill it out, then drive to the drop box and drop it in. It was quite nice and easy but it did take about 30 minutes due to high demand.

Still it is nice to have it done and not have to worry about court cased about which absentee ballots to count, or if they got in in time etc.

Went by the post office on Monday to drop off my mail-in ballot-- as much for an excuse to get in the car and go somewhere as because I was paranoid about anything happening to it if I just left it in the mailbox like normal mail-- only to remember that some Genovese dude came around these parts a couple centuries ago and wrecked up the place and for some reason we have a bank holiday about it now.

Went back yesterday, and of course THIS time I noticed the big blue mail drop boxes that I could just as easily have used on Monday even if the building was locked.

Where do I get my sticker though?

hbi2k wrote:

Went by the post office on Monday to drop off my mail-in ballot-- as much for an excuse to get in the car and go somewhere as because I was paranoid about anything happening to it if I just left it in the mailbox like normal mail-- only to remember that some Genovese dude came around these parts a couple centuries ago and wrecked up the place and for some reason we have a bank holiday about it now.

Went back yesterday, and of course THIS time I noticed the big blue mail drop boxes that I could just as easily have used on Monday even if the building was locked.

Where do I get my sticker though?

You can buy them on Amazon. Or there is some guy in NJ mailing them out to people for free.

hbi2k wrote:

Went by the post office on Monday to drop off my mail-in ballot-- as much for an excuse to get in the car and go somewhere as because I was paranoid about anything happening to it if I just left it in the mailbox like normal mail-- only to remember that some Genovese dude came around these parts a couple centuries ago and wrecked up the place and for some reason we have a bank holiday about it now.

Went back yesterday, and of course THIS time I noticed the big blue mail drop boxes that I could just as easily have used on Monday even if the building was locked.

Where do I get my sticker though?

Here. Take mine.

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The drove over to city hall and dropped Mrs Rawk’s and my absentee ballots in the big box.

Our absentee ballots came with a sticker enclosed.

I think I may have to stop watching local TV. I just caught myself screaming obscenities at a NC governor ad, and my toddler was repeating "you idiot, you liar" although it could have been much worse.

They have some woman saying her mother died from covid and that it was gov Cooper's executive order that kept her from saying goodbye. That's complete horsesh*t because the hospital or nursing home or wherever sets that policy for health and safety and doesn't give a damn what the governor says. But she thinks we should vote for Forest, the idiot who has been having unmasked parties and rallies all damn year instead, so more people can lose their mothers to this disease I guess?

f*cking GOP. I hate every last one of them.

RawkGWJ wrote:
fangblackbone wrote:

I'd tend to think that Trumps town hall will draw a larger crowd. One because his supporters won't follow rules. And two because he is more of a loud mouth and have the magic bullet of "what outlandish thing will he say next?"

Oh. So Howard Stern should run for POTUS?

He'd be a much better president. Odds are good that he doesn't have late stage syphilis.

Huh, weird, literally nobody could ever have seen this coming!
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Very bold to assume every single donation is coming from duped Democrats instead of a subset of Republicans trying to claw their party back to a semblance of sanity.

I'm impressed they were able to look up the thousands of people and groups who donated over $200 to the Lincoln Project and definitively find they were all (or mostly) Democrats who had also spurned donating to any other Democratic PAC or candidate and do so all within an hour of the financial report being filed with the FEC.

Stele wrote:

Our absentee ballots came with a sticker enclosed.

Pima County does this too.

Eh, The Lincoln Project is still sh*tty regardless of where their money is coming from. They just want to curry favor with the Dems hoping to pull them yet further to the right until the progressives are forced out.

This isn’t conjecture, btw. One of them was interviewed on the Majority Report sometime late August/early September and Seder got him to admit that’s their goal.

Jonman wrote:

Oh man, Donny is gonna be pissed when Biden get higher ratings than he does.

Too lazy to find it right now, but there was a report that Trump specifically wanted it at the exact time as Biden’s just so he could brag about his higher ratings the next day.

But as someone observed on Twitter, a car wreck draws more looks than smoothly flowing traffic.

gewy wrote:
Jonman wrote:

Oh man, Donny is gonna be pissed when Biden get higher ratings than he does.

Too lazy to find it right now, but there was a report that Trump specifically wanted it at the exact time as Biden’s just so he could brag about his higher ratings the next day.

But as someone observed on Twitter, a car wreck draws more looks than smoothly flowing traffic.

And he'll lie about the results no matter what they are.

ruhk wrote:

Eh, The Lincoln Project is still sh*tty regardless of where their money is coming from. They just want to curry favor with the Dems hoping to pull them yet further to the right until the progressives are forced out.

This isn’t conjecture, btw. One of them was interviewed on the Majority Report sometime late August/early September and Seder got him to admit that’s their goal.

Ehhh, Seder certainly pushed his fear that that was the case, but Stuart made it pretty clear that the Lincoln Project almost exclusively focused on getting Trump out of office because that's the only thing that matters right now and it's trying to move the needle on four percent of Republicans.

You can listen to the last 20 or so minutes of the interview (around 42 minutes in) that talks about it.

Stuart does make it clear that he feels the Democratic Party is the future of the country because the GOP is now a death cult that's in the process of falling apart like the Soviet Union did. And him pointing out that there's a more moderate wing of the Democratic Party and a more lefty wing shouldn't be a shocker to anyone, especially here.

That internal fight or debate or however you want to categorize it is going to happen within the DNC regardless of if the Lincoln Project continues to exist or disappears on November 4th.

The Lincoln Project exists, is spending millions of dollars against Trump and other prominent Republicans, can say things that would get Democrats in trouble because they're nominally still Republicans, and they're causing Trump's campaign to focus on them occasionally instead of Biden which is significant when there's only X days remaining in a campaign. I'm OK with all of that. I worry about the rest after the election.

Our Florida ballots were filled out and mailed in a couple weeks ago. This Monday the blue arrows popped up on the website showing they've been processed with no problems found. I'm really hoping the Ds can push it over the line here this year.

OG_slinger wrote:

The Lincoln Project exists, is spending millions of dollars against Trump and other prominent Republicans, can say things that would get Democrats in trouble because they're nominally still Republicans, and they're causing Trump's campaign to focus on them occasionally instead of Biden which is significant when there's only X days remaining in a campaign. I'm OK with all of that. I worry about the rest after the election.

“Maybe if we release all these scorpions into our house they’ll sting the rattlesnakes to death. I’ll worry about the rest afterwards.”

Even putting it like that, it still seems completely worth it.

Maybe that's what convinced the frog to give one a lift across a river.

I don’t trust career Republican propagandists and I really don’t think they’re moving the needle at all on Trump since they seem to be primarily targeting democrats. I was asking family in the midwest what they thought about the ads earlier this year and everyone either haven’t seen any of their ads, or only saw the ads being attacked by conservative media.
Even then, anyone who’s still supporting Trump isn’t going to be swayed by a thirty second #fakenews ad if they’ve been okay with everything else so far.