The GWJ Adventure Game Club - Game 21: The Walking Dead

The Walking Dead (2012)

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The game that made Telltale really famous. Lee Everett struggles to stay alive in the midst of a zombie apocalypse. As he tries to find shelter, he encounters a girl, Clementine, whose parents left on a trip to Savannah, leaving her with a babysitter who has now turned. He rescues her, and they embark on a quest to find them.

You can find the wikipedia page here, usual spoiler warning apply. How Long to Beat estimates about 10 hours to completion. Available on a truckload platforms: Android, iOS, Kindle Fire HDX, OS X, Linux, Microsoft Windows, Nintendo Switch, Ouya, PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4, PlayStation Vita, Xbox 360, Xbox One!!

You can find the main thread over this way. We'll be playing The Walking Dead in July 2020, with an extra month if need be.

Ooh, I have thought about replaying the whole series. Might be the right time.

I'm not sure if I own this on 360 or PS4. I'll have to check.

Installing!

I still have it on my PS3, but there have been a few changes since I played it way, way back when:

1- The Telltale paradigm this game codified got spread thin by Telltale itself.

2- Telltale collapsed, in part because they were chasing this dragon.

3- I developed a real antipathy for the source material.

So this will be interesting.

Oh! May I join in with this one?

Of course! Door’s always open.

SpacePProtean wrote:

I still have it on my PS3, but there have been a few changes since I played it way, way back when:
1- The Telltale paradigm this game codified got spread thin by Telltale itself.
2- Telltale collapsed, in part because they were chasing this dragon.
3- I developed a real antipathy for the source material.
So this will be interesting.

I get that. It’s complicated, I get that. This is the first that really made Telltale what it is, before all of the others that repeated the formula. And I love David Fennoy (the voice actor for Lee), so I still want to give it all a fair shake.

I’ll be kicking off my stream of the first episode later today so look forward to that, everyone!

If someone doesnt have the game yet, as hard as it might be to believe, now there is no excuse:

https://www.humblebundle.com/games/j...

Not to mention, all the other seasons too.

(Also, Heavens Vault at the top tier. Already got it somewhere in my pile, but it is supposedly pretty good!)

As for playing the game, I bought the entire "remastered" package on PS4 a few days ago. First steps...

(edit: just saw this was already mentioned in the main adventure club thread, oh well, I''ll let it stay anyway)

... The only one I don't own in that bundle is the final season of Walking Dead.

Speaking of which, I'll be getting back into it later tonight (about twelve hours from time of posting).

I think this and Back to the Future are the only telltale games I finished.

Sorry, a bit late, but how did you find Back to the Future? That’s one I never played.

I wrapped up episode four last night, and I’d forgotten we apend two episodes in that same place (deliberately vague to avoid spoilers).
Pretty brutal. I’d forgotten a lot of the specifics but it comes back to me in spurts.

Soooooooo, am I the only one playing this month? I'm baffled! (not too much, I get it in this pandemic, but with the game leading the votes tied with Blade Runner, I thought there'd be someone else!)

I just wrapped up a recent release, and now plan to get to this.

I still want to play, but the JRPG I started is apparently a 100-200 hour experience :S

I started, and, maaaaaan, I'm amazed at how instantly I hate Kenny again. He just sucks so bad.

I have made some progress.

Spoiler:

I've just past the point where our group must flee from the pharmacy. Jumbled thoughts inbound!

I am not a fan of Larry. I attempted to be reasonable before eventually cutting him off as he moved to lay hands on Duck. The douche later flattens Lee with a sucker punch and attempts to leave Lee behind!

Could we get medicine for Larry? I tried without success. I feel less bad in hindsight. Although I'd still try even if I'd known his intentions.

At Hershel's farm I went towards Duck first, him being a child and all, thinking I'd possibly be able to move the tractor and unpin Shaun.

In the pharmacy I opted to aid Carley first thinking this crack shot with the pistol would provide the best chance to save two people -- Carley and Doug -- as oppose to merely one or the other.

I like Lee. I like Clementine. I like the emotive music that can play.

Shadout wrote:

I still want to play, but the JRPG I started is apparently a 100-200 hour experience :S

The Walking Dead is "only" a 10-12 hours experience. Just sayin'.

SpacePProtean wrote:

I started, and, maaaaaan, I'm amazed at how instantly I hate Kenny again. He just sucks so bad.

Yes!!! I hasn't super fond of him the first time I played, but having played the second season, I dislike him intensely now!! That surprised me.

RnRClown wrote:

I have made some progress.

Spoiler:

I've just past the point where our group must flee from the pharmacy. Jumbled thoughts inbound!
I am not a fan of Larry. I attempted to be reasonable before eventually cutting him off as he moved to lay hands on Duck. The douche later flattens Lee with a sucker punch and attempts to leave Lee behind!
Could we get medicine for Larry? I tried without success. I feel less bad in hindsight. Although I'd still try even if I'd known his intentions.
At Hershel's farm I went towards Duck first, him being a child and all, thinking I'd possibly be able to move the tractor and unpin Shaun.
In the pharmacy I opted to aid Carley first thinking this crack shot with the pistol would provide the best chance to save two people -- Carley and Doug -- as oppose to merely one or the other.
I like Lee. I like Clementine. I like the emotive music that can play.

Wait, you've never played at ALL? No spoilers? Really? :O That is so cool. To answer your questions:

To get Larry medicine, you have to break into the pharmacy's back door and grab stuff there. Theoretically, I think you have to have done this, it's a required story beat.
I had the same reflex as you did when we had to choose between Duck and Shaun. Picked different this time around. And I had the same reasoning when you have to pick between Carley and Doug. In Doug's defense, his skills do come in handy in episode 2. They both have their strengths, they're just different, but there's no "bad" choice here.

Looking forward to your next impressions!

Eleima wrote:

Wait, you've never played at ALL? No spoilers? Really? :O That is so cool.

I have dabbled previously. I remembered the opening scene in the cop car, and the tractor scene at the farm. In so much that they happened. Less so the dialogue. Parts of the pharmacy were vaguely familiar (looking for batteries) whilst others (the family connection) drew a blank.

Looking at my Steam purchase receipts it was December 2012! According to Steam statistics I also put in 8.7 hours. Whilst Steam achievements have progress at chapter 2 of episodes 2. Go figure. I couldn't have told you this. I think I'd have guessed 2013, for a few hours, stalling somewhere in episode one.

The 8.7 hours is a doozy. Maybe idle time?

Eleima wrote:
Shadout wrote:

I still want to play, but the JRPG I started is apparently a 100-200 hour experience :S

The Walking Dead is "only" a 10-12 hours experience. Just sayin'. ;)

I really try to only play one game at a time

Now that's just crazy talk.

Spoiler:

I kid, I try to do the same thing.

Eleima wrote:
SpacePProtean wrote:

I started, and, maaaaaan, I'm amazed at how instantly I hate Kenny again. He just sucks so bad.

Yes!!! I hasn't super fond of him the first time I played, but having played the second season, I dislike him intensely now!! That surprised me.

As I remember it, I started really loathing him due to a moment coming in chapter 2. This time, I saw the signs of that moment much sooner, and it viscerally reminded me that he's an inept, cowardly moron full of unearned notions of competence who wants to feel like a big f*cking man but never actually does anything difficult. You want to whine to me about how we let that kid die? Motherf*cker, who's "we?" I was still there, you scurried off because apparently your sh*tass kid can't be trusted to run on his own (I don't like ragging on child characters, but Duck sucks a lot, too. I feel like they really overshot how dumb Duck should seem). Oh, and now you want to give people orders? After everyone has decided what the should do? Gaaaaah, I hate Kenny. I'm kind of excited now just to see how deep my loathing goes.

Let me know if I should stick with spoiler tags. It seems everyone has played it, though. And I'm fine taking my chances.

I have a soft spot for Kenny. From episode 1 at least. He's not the sharpest tool in the box, but I think his heart is in the right place.

I can understand a parent running their child to safety, and checking on them, as oppose to pointing them in a direction with a nudge and a shunt. I'd say that's instinct more than calculation. He could have better accessed the situation. No doubt. The emotional distress from thinking you are going to lose your child, though, must surely be considered. Thinking clearly and concisely may not be possible. Not for everyone. Kenny regrets how he acted later. I felt he was sincere, for what it's worth.

I was quizzical concerning Kenny's taking charge in the pharmacy. I think everyone had it down but it didn't hurt to have everyone's roles underlined and made transparent to the group. Doug and Carley appeared glad for it. Lily hated it. *shrug*

Kenny is the one who comes back to look for Lee, after Larry lands a sucker punch to leave Lee as zombie chowder. Kenny had already gotten out of dodge with his family. I didn't see anyone else turn back neither.

Roll on episode 2!

Yes, please, definitely stick those spoiler tags in there for anything beyond episode one.

Wow, SpaceP, tell us how you really feel! Can't argue with you though...

Yeah, I have no doubt many will say I'm being ungenerous to Kenny. Family is a powerful and sympathetic motivator...but it's also a handy excuse. There's making sure your kid is okay, and then there's jetting like a Loony Tune, leaving behind a mulleted cloud, and then trying to rope someone else in on the culpability.

Anyway, done with Episode 2, and just to keep on a theme: f*ck Kenny.

Spoiler:

Did Larry need to be dealt with? For certain. Did he need to be dealt with while Lilly and I were giving him medical attention and in such a way that came within inches of braining me or Lilly in the process? Did he need to then act like a petulant child because we didn't instantly praise him for this bold, decisive action? Did he then need to run off half-cocked with a dumbass plan to sneak up and just grab a gun, a plan which I had to take point on? Did he need to continue to cower in pants wetting terror of the gunman about to shoot me, who, incidentally, had his back turned to Kenny? Probably could have handled that all better. Larry was obviously an ass (and while I don't doubt Larry is meant to be racist, Kenny is the one who says something quite clearly racist), and Lilly wasn't very pleasant, but I remember at the time being particularly enraged because it seemed like I was getting her to mellow out since someone wasn't riding her ass all the time.

As for the rest of Episode 2:

Spoiler:

I remember thinking it was the episode I liked least when I first played. It might actually be bad? At the very least it's silly and campy in a way that I don't think jibes with what they're going for. The consequences that spin out of it are pretty great, but in the moment I was giggling pretty hard as these boneheads blundered into Texas Chainsaw Massacre without noticing. I dunno, that could be an issue with the source material that spilled over here. I have some thoughts on how TWD has aged to mull.

Episode 2

Spoiler:

Larry is an awful person who deserves to have that salt lick dropped on his head, I was with Kenny on that one all the way. Both times I've played it through. He is going to turn, and it's a lot easier to take him out then, then when he is walking around trying to kill everyone.

I don't know that I'd say you're being ungenerous to Kenny, SpaceP. Sure, he handles some things very poorly because of his family (I'm specifically speaking about the incident on the train). But having a family doesn't mean to get to be an ass. Like you said, he doesn't really shine in episode two. In fact, I'd argue that he's making decisions that don't benefit his family.

In short... I think onewild summed it up perfectly.

Oh, and about episode 4

Spoiler:

I'd kinda forgotten about that poor kid in the attic. Good grief, but my heart broke all over again.

Episode Two:

Spoiler:

Damn! Damn! Damn!

Larry, whilst a major pain in the ass, didn't deserve to go out like that. Lily and Lee were giving him a chance. Slim as it may have been. He may have still been alive. Then Kenny, decides for everyone, by dropping a salt lick to smash Larry's head and face to smithereens. Good God!

For the record, I did not particularly care for Larry. I still sided with Lily and tried to save him. It felt right. I tried to make amends prior, with Larry, by giving him a food ration, and trusting him with the axe. He was a tough cookie to get along with.

The St. John brothers? I had Lee end them both! They were not harvesting us for meat. Neither were they getting a free pass to hunt another innocent soul, nor attempt to follow us in retribution. Good riddance.

I sided with Clem in not looting the car. And I accepted her decision to turn down the hoody. It felt irresponsible. I know. I wanted Clem to know that her opinion means something, though. It felt like a minor give at a time where Lee and Clem were potentially straining from the extreme choices Lee had just enacted.

I lost respect for Kenny from episode two. It's going to get down to it eventually.

Oh yes, for sure. It's going to get a LOT worse before it gets better!

Through Episode 3, and I really feel for K

Spoiler:

atjaa, who spent hours with her child slowly dying in her arms, while the child's father buried his head up his ass to play with the big choo-choo. f*ck you Kenny, your family will be safe as long as you're around? Then why the f*ck am I providing cover for their escape? Oh that's right, someone needed to undertake the all important task of turning the key over and over again on the RV you insist you have fixed when clearly you have not, the RV we're all supposed to pile into and go, where was that again? Oh, that's right, as the traumatized 8 year old points out, you have no f*cking clue where. Just to a boat. Genius.

Anyway, don't want to inventory how Kenny sucks, because that's most of Episode 3, so I'll just say I burs out laughing when it was revealed the moron left the keys in the RV! f*cking idiot.

I quite agree with your read, RnR, and additionally:

Spoiler:

I felt like Larry was likely a goner (though his last episode was benign enough we could faff about looking for batteries and arranging then undertaking then returning from rescue missions, but I digress), but Lilly needed to accept that, and further needed to see at least one of us trying to help her.

I feel like Episode 3 is a marked improvement over Episode 2, in that it feels more of a piece with what the game wants to be, much less absurdly campy horror movie, much more thought experiments stuffed into a horror story. Alas, there are a lot of situations and avenues that don't get accounted for,:

Spoiler:

such as Ben giving supplies to the bandits, which is portrayed as foolish weakness...even though that is clearly what kept them from attacking for a while. And, yeah, Lee sees his murder as almost a world apart from where they are now, but hey Kenny, guess who else is a murderer? This guy named You, motherf*cker.

Also, I previously never encountered the crippling bugs people said afflicted TT games (never doubted their existence, however), but this time I've encountered a couple.

Finally started this. Lee certainly gives up quickly on finding his family alive. Not in their store? Surely they are all dead.
I have forgotten a lot of stuff from this game it seems. Which I guess is a good thing, in a way.

Shadout wrote:

I have forgotten a lot of stuff from this game it seems. Which I guess is a good thing, in a way.

Same, in fact my memories invented characters whole cloth. I've just finished Chapter 4, and

Spoiler:

I went in thinking "Oh yeah, I remember we have to infiltrate the community and deal with its queen or something..." Not quite!

I also forgot about many things near the end of the episode, meaning that

Spoiler:

while I initially thought I might just get away with a "f*ck Kenny," and leave it at that because he'd just been generally sh*tty the entire episode, but hadn't done anything really egregious...and then he demanded I hold his beer, decided to have a big shouty blame shifting argument right when we needed to escape, a delay that killed someone. I considered it gauche to specifically say his family's death is his fault at the end of episode 3, but since he said it's Ben's fault...well, that frees me up, Kenny got his family killed, and he continues to get people killed because he's a cowardly, useless manchild. And then he has the balls to refuse to help because Lee didn't back his dumbass "plays?" f*ck you, Kenny, why would I want you to come anyway, because I need someone to look on and do nothing while I'm in danger? I'm actually a little irritated the game made me ask.

Going into Episode 5, I have:

Spoiler:

Christa, Omid, and Ben helping.