The GWJ JRPG Club - Q3 2020 - The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel II

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Thanks guys!!

Still recovering!!!
Little update!
I made it to the "hell castle" and going up!!!!
Game never ceases to amaze me and how much characters are.

The hell castle makes for a pretty great final dungeon, doesn't it?

LastSurprise wrote:

The hell castle makes for a pretty great final dungeon, doesn't it?

YES!!! I was just about to say that
I am liking it very very much.

Just passed McBurn... will make and update soon

Screw that guy!

Ok.... here are some updates and spoilers

I got through the "finale" and well it left me with a lot of questions and a huge cliffhanger!
And then... I am in control of two totally new characters.?!!!

What is going on?

Darkhaund wrote:

Ok.... here are some updates and spoilers

I got through the "finale" and well it left me with a lot of questions and a huge cliffhanger!
And then... I am in control of two totally new characters.?!!!

What is going on?

That section of Cold Steel II takes place in the city of Crossbell. Those two characters are from Trails From Zero and Trails to Azure, two games that were not translated, and both take place in Crossbell (usually referred to as 'the Crossbell games'). That part of Cold Steel II felt totally weird for me as well. I assume the

Spoiler:

invasion of Crossbell by Erebonia

will be relevant for Cold Steel III and IV.

Did I finish the game then?
How long is this "chapter"

I am so confused

For club purposes, you have finished! We decided that the end of the Finale (as opposed to the Divertissement or Epilogue ... yeesh) represented (1) enough of a time commitment, and (2) a conclusion of the game's story. So, congratulations!

On the other hand, if you ever have an interest in playing this game again, and want to use New Game +, you'll have to finish the Epilogue. Likewise, if you are a completionist, and want that platinum, you'll need the trophies you get from those chapters, plus the trophies you can only get on an NG+ run.

Thanks!!!! And now... there is no way ill play NG+. To big of a backlog and I want to advance onto other games. I will finish this Epilogue or whatever it is because of the sake of it.

I will give my final thoughts in a while. And Glad I was able to finish it!
Glad I leveled up with you guys and so happy I was able to finish this

Darkhaund wrote:

Thanks!!!! And now... there is no way ill play NG+. To big of a backlog and I want to advance onto other games. I will finish this Epilogue or whatever it is because of the sake of it.

The part you're in is the 'Divertissement'. It is then followed by the Epilogue. The epilogue itself takes a few extra hours. You're not at the end of the road yet

Whaaat?
Well I might as well finish that since I am there already!

I will post my final thoughts once I finish those 2 additional things

Ok. so finished the Epilogue and here are my final thoughts:

First of all, I have to admit that I played this game on "easy" mode. I also admit that I still dont fully understand (or understood) the mechanics to to its fullest. I rarely used Arts, and never figured out who was mor of a caster and who was more of a magic user. I Have played lots of JRPGSs and this one really got me confused. The story was interesting enough that kept me going.

On several of the last fights (McBurn, Vita and the Director and her Assistant) I just "gave up" and lost several times to "weaken enemies and try again" I never ever used positioning and I all did was just "over power" the enemy. I did try to learn and read the description of the Arts, Crafts to try to dely, unbalance etc, but I have to admit that felt overwhelming and complex. My main golas was to finish the game.

I started to enjoy more of the game towards the end, where I felt I began to understand the system. But then came some of those crazy bosses that annihilated you so then i just gave up LOL.. and went the "weaken enemy" route again.

I was very impressed with the extense cast, of playable characters and the attention to detail to their Arts, crafts, voice acting etc. The story is well done, but got goo complex and at the end I had o idea what Jagers, Bracers, Ourobours, Ironbloods, where and what was the main "War" Even so, the game managed to keep me entertained... to a point. I will look forward in playing the 3rd installment and giving a better shot at learning the mechanics.

I really REALLY disliked the 1st "chapter" after the finale, since that dungeon was annoying as heck. I dont know if it was a homage or a tribute or what.. but unless it has a significant connection in future games, it felt totally weird and unnecessary.

The game left me with a lot of unanswered questions and seems crazy that some VERY VERY powerful "foes" just walked away like it was a sunny day (McBurn for example)

I really HATED to Rean was all buddy buddy and nothing happens and lets all be pals. I know that is a game, but still, it felt stupid at some point.

This was the second "Trails of" game I played and the first I managed to finish. I still dont like it over games. like "Tales of" "Persona 4 or 5" , "Xenoblade Chronicles 1 and 2 and maybe even Ys Lacrimosa of dana..... But like I mentioned, I will most likely sometime play the 3rd game to see how the story unfolds.

I feel very very sour with the fact that this game was not able to "click" on me on all levels. Especially on the battle gameplay. I felt I was unable to understand how it worked not matter how hard I tried. Something similar happened with Xenoblade Chronicles 2 battle system, which took me a while to understand, but once I DID, it was super fun and a joy to play.

Glad I finished this and to have played it alongside you guys.

So I got curious and remembered that Steam keeps a record of the time you spend in a game. I played Trails in the Sky FC a few years ago with the club, so I thought "I wonder how long it took to beat that game?" I just checked my Steam profile and have 99 hours on record in Trails in the Sky, which I did a complete blind playthrough of then replayed with a guide to get max BP, fully reading the dialogue each time. Whereas Cold Steel 2 took me 102 hours just to complete the Finale, not including the Divertisement or Epilogue. Interesting to see how games in the same series ballooned in time to completion from just PS1 to PS3 era games.

Checking my own times for Trails in the Sky FC and SC on Steam, FC took me roughly 54 hours, while SC took 87. (Haven't played 3rd yet.) I only did one playthrough for both of these. Cold Steel I and II were fairly close in length for me, I believe.

It's interesting to think that, on the Super NES, Chrono Trigger was a ~20 hour game. FFVI was slightly longer than that (~25 hours maybe?). I played Super Mario RPG a year or two ago, and it was about that length as well. Tales of Phantasia is around 40, I believe, although I haven't played that yet. Apparently, having access to a medium that could hold way more data motivated RPG developers to just increase game lengths.

I like good long games with a good story

Not denying Cold Steel 2 is overly long, but I'm guessing most of us chased up all the side quests, hidden stuff, bonding events etc. It would be interesting if someone just followed the main story arc, if it would still seem so bloated.

The PS1 was the first system I played a lot of JRPGs on, and I remember expecting about 40 hours as a "standard" length just playing through without a guide.

I wonder if that would have really screwed us in the end, though? Those final bosses really ramped up in difficulty, and I would have had a hard time without some of the lost arts, without Valimar fully kitted out, etc.

I just settled for the "weaken and retry" tactic! I have to admit

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