Help me with understanding/finding a Mechanical Keyboard...

Pretty much the only time I use the thumb buttons is in MMOs; I like to use it to toggle constant run. Other than that, they go remarkably unclicked.

Malor wrote:

Pretty much the only time I use the thumb buttons is in MMOs; I like to use it to toggle constant run. Other than that, they go remarkably unclicked.

Hah, you're right. I haven't played MMO's in a long time, but that is exactly what I used a thumb button for when I did.

I really have gotten used to the forward and back thumb buttons for browsing and music.

I was happy with my old Logitech G602 mouse and ended up buying another on the cheap. While waiting for that to arrive, I ordered replacement Omron switches and fixed my old one. Yah! Well, mostly as I broke the light on top of the mouse that tells you what mode you are in. Oh well.

In other news related to the original topic, I am in love with the K95 keyboard. Still trying to learn the software for lighting customization, but this is a great keyboard.

Carlbear95 wrote:

Its funny after so many innovations in mice, I find myself almost never using any buttons other than the RMB/LMB and the wheel, and only when browsing do I use the "back" button by the thumbs. Maybe its the way I grip the mouse as Malor describes, but I even find the middle mouse button to be terribly inconvenient and I have a mental block that tells me I will accidentally move the mouse wheel so I never actually use it. Games that say "Hold the middle mouse button to do XXXX" (usually RTS / City builders) I almost always try to find keyboard shortcuts.

For productivity, my use case is spreadsheets, so knowing excel shortcuts is so much more valuable than assigning more button presses.

My personal recommendation for extra mouse buttons for productivity: copy, paste, and return. (G502 user here)

I use side buttons to toggle mic and/or for active character abilities depending on game.

Many mice with two or more side buttons have the forward ones too far forward for my comfort, I don't like the feel of stretching my thumb and I don't think I have abnormally short thumbs either. The positioning on my Corsair Ironclaw is excellent, except now the left click has started to double-click after only 3 months and I am sick of replacing mice.

I really can't afford this keyboard, but I...want it? I type all day, and find the acuity of my current keyboard isn't up to snuff for typing at work all day or gaming. It's fine, but I'm feeling the limitations of it.

Looking at the silents due to the fact that my work mic picks up the key sounds pretty clearly, so even my Razer cynosa chroma sounds "clacky."

Corsair K70 LUX RGB with Cherry MX Silent Switches VS MX Red

My biggest issue is trying to type faster than my skill level, so fatfingering and sloppiness is an issue. Have any of you done the cherry silent before?

Those don't seem all that much quieter than Reds, to my ear. They're a little bit muffled in comparison, but only a little.

I know that a lot of the Cherry mechanisms can be treated with O-rings to quiet them down. Maybe that might help?

You could also look into Topre mechanisms, which are very quiet and super comfortable to type on. Their major downside is price; Topre Realforce boards are expensive as hell. A minor downside is that they feel awful when you first get them; they're rubber dome keyboards with springs underneath, and it takes awhile for the rubber to break in. At first, they're just stiff and nasty. After a few weeks, though, they settle in and get very very comfortable. There's probably nothing better on the market for production typing.

Oh, there's a third downside, in that I didn't find them as good for gaming. Topres activate at the bottom of the stroke, where Cherry mechanisms usually activate much higher up, so they feel a tiny bit sluggish in fast-action games.

But if you want to mostly type, you want it to be quiet, and you want something super durable, Topres are where it's at. What with the solid rubber sheet they use, they're almost impervious to spills and keyboard lint. And the combination of rubber and springs is wonderfully comfortable. The bounceback at the bottom of the stroke is very nice. Regular typing makes my fingers start to hurt, very subtly, after about twenty minutes, and that just doesn't happen with the Topres. I can type furiously for a long time, and my fingers just... don't hurt. At all. The absence is a little weird.

Unfortunately, the Corsairs are top of my budget as it is, so anything beyond that is out of the question. Canadian dollar is still rough.

Gaming is equally important if not more, I was just looking for something that could adequately traverse both. I need a better keyboard for work, but not at the expense of gaming. Thanks for the info

Well, a fairly cheap option you can try is a set of O-rings, which will quiet down your Reds and give them a little bit of cushion at the bottom of the stroke. Amazon has a bunch of options. This is an example, but I don't know if it's better or worse than the other choices.

Other folks here may have more direct experience with the various options.

Amoebic wrote:

Unfortunately, the Corsairs are top of my budget as it is, so anything beyond that is out of the question. Canadian dollar is still rough.

Gaming is equally important if not more, I was just looking for something that could adequately traverse both. I need a better keyboard for work, but not at the expense of gaming. Thanks for the info :)

Amoebic

I ended up getting a refurbed Corsair from their shop on Amazon for about half the price. So far so good. The browns are quieter than the Logitech Blues, but that is all the experience I have.

I do have an extra brand new Logitech G213 Prodigy keyboard sitting here... Not mechanical, but a good hybrid step up from a basic keyboard. Same type of key caps, just a high, rubber "mechdome" underneath instead of a mechanical switch. I found the adjustment period was easier on the G213 than it had been on the other ones. I had a ton of typing errors on the first real mechanical I had. Kept thinking I had forgotten how to type, but it really was the added height/actuation point of the new keys.

Mark (Sparkie13)

If budget is an issue, can you get a board with MX Silents and without all the "gamer" add ons like RGB and macro functionality?

Jonman wrote:

If budget is an issue, can you get a board with MX Silents and without all the "gamer" add ons like RGB and macro functionality?

Thread necro, but as it happens, I just got a new board with those MX Red Silent switches for my home workstation, and holy hell I can type while unmuted on a teleconference without getting yelled at to go on mute.

The difference between the Browns on my gaming board, and the Red Silents on the work board is huuuuuge.

I just bought a Chinese mechanical 60-65% keyboard (not sure which %, it's advertised both ways on different sites) off of AliExpress for about $12 shipped on a recent deal. I picked it up to potentially use with my recently purchased Steam Deck. I'm far from a mechanical keyboard expert, but for the money I paid, this thing is pretty cool. Using it with my work laptop today. Wireless with a USB A/C dongle and two different bluetooth channels. Otherwise pretty basic. Amazon has a version of these for $38.

Totally figured it would be junk.

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I recently started using a split keyboard, and after two days I was a convert. It is SO much more comfortable than a regular keyboard. Being able to have your hands shoulder width apart is really surprising in how much difference it has made for me. And before that I had used Microsoft Natural keyboards for over 20 years, so I was used to a little 1-2" split, but having the two halves totally separated and 12" apart is a game changer. Combined with tenting it is really an ergonomic improvement and for any of you all with wrist or arm pain, I encourage you to try one.

LeapingGnome wrote:

I recently started using a split keyboard, and after two days I was a convert. It is SO much more comfortable than a regular keyboard. Being able to have your hands shoulder width apart is really surprising in how much difference it has made for me. And before that I had used Microsoft Natural keyboards for over 20 years, so I was used to a little 1-2" split, but having the two halves totally separated and 12" apart is a game changer. Combined with tenting it is really an ergonomic improvement and for any of you all with wrist or arm pain, I encourage you to try one.

I'm jealous. While I would love to use something like that, I taught myself to type 30+ years ago. I don't type like a normal person should type and have tried keyboards like that. The problem is that my right hand ends up on the left side of the keyboard and vice versa. While I can still maintain 90+ wpm with relatively great accuracy, I'm stuck with a traditional keyboard instead of something way cooler

I have an Logitech G513 which cost me quite a lot of money (several years ago now) but for which several switches no longer light up, and several key caps are now broken and I can't replace without spending a fortune because Logitech, in their wisdom, don't sell the spare keycaps (Romer-G. I think)

I'm very annoyed about this, and I'm actively thinking of replacing it even though it mostly still works. Any thoughts on what the best keyboards are at the moment? Are mechanical keyboards still the necessary requirement for a gaming set up?

Sorbicol wrote:

Any thoughts on what the best keyboards are at the moment? Are mechanical keyboards still the necessary requirement for a gaming set up?

Are they a requirement? Absolutely not. I consider them like chairs. An old wooden kitchen chair is fine to sit on to play games. Is a leather-bound gaming throne more comfortable and nicer? Absolutely. Is it necessary? Nope.

The only caveat I might make to that is high-end competitive multiplayer using mouse and keyboard, where you're trying to eke out any marginal gains to give you a leg-up. There, the additional tactility and responsiveness of a mechanical keyboard could be seen as performance enhancing. Emphasis on the high-end competition: I mean, I use a nice mechanical keyboard, and I love it, but I'm not kidding myself that I'm good enough at any game I play with it that the keyboard itself is giving me an advantage over a cheap rubber dome board.

As for what are the best keyboards......honestly I think that comes down to personal preference on form factor (e.g. full size, 10keyless, 75%, 60%, 40% etc), switch type (e.g. clicky, tactile, force required for the key to activate etc), and amount of gamer RGB bullsh*t. Once you nail down your preferences on those, I'd be inclined to say there's little difference between manufacturers.

I more or less recently bought a Keychron K4 Pro and I'm super happy with it. It's nothing fancy looking but a very solid keyboard for a good price. If you don't mind a tenkeyless, you can get some Keychron models for under $50 or check their whole lineup.

I have no idea what the "best" keyboard are right now but I think there's a lot of differences in features, layout/size, and types of switches. Personally, I feel like unless you are a supercompetitive gamer or an ultra fast typist, you really do not need any of the very expensive stuff and there's a lot of things at $100 or below that will be great for you. Maybe a little more if you want some nice features like a volume knob or some macro keys or if you really want an aluminum body instead of plastic.

Pink Stripes wrote:

I more or less recently bought a Keychron K4 Pro and I'm super happy with it. It's nothing fancy looking but a very solid keyboard for a good price. If you don't mind a tenkeyless, you can get some Keychron models for under $50 or check their whole lineup.

I have no idea what the "best" keyboard are right now but I think there's a lot of differences in features, layout/size, and types of switches. Personally, I feel like unless you are a supercompetitive gamer or an ultra fast typist, you really do not need any of the very expensive stuff and there's a lot of things at $100 or below that will be great for you. Maybe a little more if you want some nice features like a volume knob or some macro keys or if you really want an aluminum body instead of plastic.

Yeah I’ve looked at the keychrons. I was going to leave it but the space bar now playing up so might just throw my toys out of my pram and get a new keyboard I probably don’t really need and will cost me too much money!

I’d also like to reduce the amount of bloatware on my PC too though. How many apps to do you need to control flashy lights on keyboards, mice and headphones these days?!?!

That really depends on the keyboard. Mine has a key for that so no software needed at all but also the backlight is nothing fancy, just different modes of the white light, no RGB.