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Dune: Prophecy | Official Teaser | Max

farley3k wrote:

Dune: Prophecy | Official Teaser | Max

Is this based on the Brian Herbert prequel books? Were they any good? I was put off by Kevin J Anderson’s involvement (I didn’t like his Starwars EU books)

It's also based on the book "Sisterhood of Dune" by Kevin J. Anderson and Brian Herbert (Frank's son).

https://www.firstshowing.net/2024/fi...

I just can't get excited about a series based on a book by K. Anderson and B. Herbert. If it turns out to be one of those rare cases of visual media being better than the book, I'll have a look. Not on Max, though. I'm not giving them any money while Zaslav is at the helm.

DoveBrown wrote:
farley3k wrote:

Dune: Prophecy | Official Teaser | Max

Is this based on the Brian Herbert prequel books? Were they any good? I was put off by Kevin J Anderson’s involvement (I didn’t like his Starwars EU books)

I read quite a few right after high school. They were mid-level Star Wars EU quality, which is to say, no, they were not any good. Star Wars got away with it because the only good EU books were the Timothy Zhan Thrawn Trilogy. As long as you didn't hate them, they were considered "good." The Dune franchise is another thing entirely. They read, to me, like Anderson writing fan fiction using Frank Herbert's notes. All action, no philosophy. Like those really bad documentaries that incorporate acting scenes between narration about the fall of Rome.

Speaking of, Dune: Part Two is now streaming on Max.

Yesterday HBO Max got switched to Max in my region.
Not really smooth. Lost track of some of the things I have been watching, doesn't have the same language options (e.g., an anime series had the Japanese audio track and now only has the English one), but worst of all... so many reality tv crap flooding the home page.

We get max for free through my internet service but its so bad now that I stopped using it. Its impossible to find anything interesting amid all the junk tv, the interface is so slow and useless and they completely messed up my watch list. They managed to take hbo, one of the more prestigious channels, and turned it into dog crap.

I mean, they're being run by the same dude that ensh*ttified The Discovery Channel so not unexpected...

Cannot believe and will never forgive them for cancelling Pitbulls and Parolees. I loved that show. (dogs are the best!)

Fredrik_S wrote:

We get max for free through my internet service but its so bad now that I stopped using it. Its impossible to find anything interesting amid all the junk tv, the interface is so slow and useless and they completely messed up my watch list. They managed to take hbo, one of the more prestigious channels, and turned it into dog crap.

We got a deal and pay $3 a month for it, and that is too much. Once the promo period expires, it will be canceled.

fangblackbone wrote:

Cannot believe and will never forgive them for cancelling Pitbulls and Parolees. I loved that show. (dogs are the best!)

My wife has moved to supporting Tia Torres' Patreon. She's still putting out content.

Rat Boy wrote:

Speaking of, Dune: Part Two is now streaming on Max.

I ended up not being a fan. The back half of it felt rushed and there were some really odd choices in character portrayals. God Emperor willing they'll meet again in Dune Part Three: The Search for More Money.

I just finished another rewatch...it was fine. Very cool looks but it felt odd to me that both Rabban and the Baron died so quickly. I especially thought the fight would be bigger Bauista and Brolin since they are rather big start.

All in all it was very, very pretty - loved the Gedi Prime filming but I didn't find the interpretations of story parts to leave or stress to be well done.

I just want to know what the reasoning was for condensing the events of the film down to a less than a nine month span rather than years as it was in the novel.

The reason is that Villeneuve wanted more room in the story to explore specific issues he believed clarified the story. A Bene Gesserit reverend mother fetus inside a reverend mother. Chani's role as a fedaykin rather than Paul's love interest. Chani as an audience insert clarifies the story in a way that the Hollywood default, Paul as a heroic audience insert, does not. (Heroic Paul is also a common misinterpretation, which I believe we have discussed in another topic here somewhere.)

There's a lot that happens in the back half of the book that doesn't really move the plot much. It serves more to set up Paul's journey. Villeneuve was more interested in bringing forward the important women in the story, which Herbert didn't do in the book. Teaching Bene Gesserit fighting techniques to the fedaykin doesn't do much for the family part of the story. In Villeneuve's Dune, the Fremen, and Chani in particular, are formidable enough without needing training from the Lisan al'Gaib.

Thematically, Villeneuve wanted to emphasize the familial aspects of the story rather than the military and political aspects as Herbert did. The first movie was basically the story of a mother and son. IIRC, his intention with the second movie was to emphasize the relationship between Paul and Chani. There is still plenty of military and political stuff going on, but the characters' relationships are more important to Villeneuve than abstract politics.

I will say, Villeneuve did Rabban and Gurney Halleck dirty. The machinations of the Harkonnen family are as important as the Fremen story, and a lot of it ended up cut in the edit. As it plays out, Rabban, and more importantly Feyd, are more sketches than fully fleshed out characters.

BadKen wrote:

I will say, Villeneuve did Rabban and Gurney Halleck dirty.

And Alia. Having Paul kill the baron feels like a much more diminished end to the Atredies-Harkonen conflict than Alia doing it, especially considering her arc in the next two books. Instead, from a newcomer's perspective, we get Jessica having conversations with an unborn child and Paul having visions of an adult Alia we won't see until future films.

Look, I'm loathe to say this, because I would have cackled wildly had a CG toddler ATJ waddled onto the scene saying ill sh*t such as "Like a proper Fremen child, I was out slitting the throats of the wounded," and then started knifing fools, but it would not have gone over well with anyone else in my showing.

Why didn't anyone tell me there was a Harley Quinn spin-off coming, you jagweeds?

Oh dear.

Too funny.

I finished season 4 last week, and it was fantastic.

Ren Faire was such cringy fun.