NFL 2020: Draft

I can't tell if FanDuel is trolling Jeff Fisher or if this is the only community that has to be laughing uproariously at any football fan anywhere, ever, taking a phone call from JEFF FISHER for football advice.

I followed the USFL back then. I am from New Jersey, but hated the Generals and rooted for the IMAGE(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia/Baltimore_Stars) (Kelvin Bryant RB, Chuck Fusina QB, Sam Mills LB, and Jim Mora as head coach). We beat the Generals in the playoffs two years straight.

It was weird when Herschel (much) later came to play for the Eagles. I actually came to respect him. How things change.

T***p is a big reason that league folded, by pushing them to move to a fall schedule where they couldn't compete against the NFL (really to try to force a merger like the NFL-AFL). They folded before that could happen, though.

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Didn’t 2K release that game when EA said they couldn’t make NFL games anymore?

Sure, why not. Brady, Payton, Munoz, Rice, Deion, Reggie White.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Didn’t 2K release that game when EA said they couldn’t make NFL games anymore?

I understood that reference dot gif

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Sure, why not. Brady, Payton, Munoz, Rice, Deion, Reggie White.

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Although to be fair, 3 of the 6 were correct.

I chose the best QB, RB, and WR, the best cover corner, and two guys in the running for best OT and DE. I stand by my list, though the Reggie White/Lawrence Taylor decision still kind of haunts me. I might have to flip that one.

Also, why the hell is Charles Woodson on this list?

I'm going off Profootballreference's Approximate Value metric:

Manning (2)
Rice (5) highest ranked non-QB
Woodson (8)
White (9)
B. Smith (10)
Munoz (15)

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Also, why the hell is Charles Woodson on this list?

Ridiculously, RIDICULOUSLY efficient and all those TO's.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Sure, why not. Munoz, Rice, Reggie White.

These are the right answers.

Top_Shelf wrote:

I'm going off Profootballreference's Approximate Value metric:

Manning (2)
Rice (5) highest ranked non-QB
Woodson (8)
White (9)
B. Smith (10)
Munoz (15)

AV overvalues certain positions (QBs, obviously), and, even more, it really does reward compiling stats over peak seasons. I just checked the career leader list on a hunch, and Art Monk has a Career AV of 129. Michael Irvin has 128. In terms of on-the-field ability, would anybody anywhere at anytime select Art Monk over Michael Irvin?

Also, Peyton is #2, because Brady is #1.

Also also, for pointless debating, Emmitt Smith should be an option over Barry Sanders, who was far too likely to go backwards and kill drives, and had too much bust in his boom-or-bust style.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I chose the best QB

My childhood won't ever allow me to mark this one correct.

RB

Truth, but the mistake is using one of your 6 on a running back at all.

and WR, the best cover corner

Two of the correct answers.

and two guys in the running for best OT and DE.

Reggie White is also correct.

I would take Ogden over Munoz, if we're projecting all of these players to play in the modern game. I don't doubt Munoz could bulk up from his 280 to around 300 if he were in today's game, but Ogden just has so much more margin for error.

Similarly, assuming today's game, there's less than zero chance I'd use one of the six spots on a running back...

I stand by my list, though the Reggie White/Lawrence Taylor decision still kind of haunts me. I might have to flip that one.

... and here's where that problem disappears, because I'd be taking Reggie White *and* Lawrence Taylor.

I was almost tempted to take Bruce Smith too, and kick Reggie White inside (where he started his career and at 290 absolutely would still be built to dominate as a modern 3-technique). But a corner as *consistently* shutdown as Deion too hard to pass up.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Also also, for pointless debating, Emmitt Smith should be an option over Barry Sanders, who was far too likely to go backwards and kill drives, and had too much bust in his boom-or-bust style.

More pointless debate: LaDainian Tomlinson is a better alternative option than Emmitt Smith.

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Also also, for pointless debating, Emmitt Smith should be an option over Barry Sanders, who was far too likely to go backwards and kill drives, and had too much bust in his boom-or-bust style.

More pointless debate: LaDainian Tomlinson is a better alternative option than Emmitt Smith.

No Marshall Faulk?

Top_Shelf wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Also also, for pointless debating, Emmitt Smith should be an option over Barry Sanders, who was far too likely to go backwards and kill drives, and had too much bust in his boom-or-bust style.

More pointless debate: LaDainian Tomlinson is a better alternative option than Emmitt Smith.

No Marshall Faulk?

Faulk or LDT would be fine; to me, Payton's similar in the sense of providing huge amounts of value in the passing game, along with rushing, blocking, and just general utility. I will also concede Legion's point that taking an RB is a fool's proposition in the modern game, and reluctantly replace Payton with LT.

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I chose the best QB

My childhood won't ever allow me to mark this one correct.

I would take Ogden over Munoz, if we're projecting all of these players to play in the modern game. I don't doubt Munoz could bulk up from his 280 to around 300 if he were in today's game, but Ogden just has so much more margin for error.

Yet, somehow, Montana over Brady . . .

Top_Shelf wrote:

No Marshall Faulk?

Faulk absolutely could compete with Tomlinson for that spot.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Yet, somehow, Montana over Brady . . .

Montana in the can't-touch-QBs era would feel like he's on a vacation. 100% fewer back injuries.

*Legion* wrote:

Montana in the can't-touch-QBs era would feel like he's on a vacation. 100% fewer back injuries.

Every time someone gushes about LeBron, I imagine what obscene point totals MJ would have put up in today's game.

How about Randy Moss getting passes from Manning or Montana?

Or...Marino?

Montana was my favorite player as a kid, and it wasn't until a few years ago where I finally sighed and accepted Brady as the GOAT. He's just been too good with such a wide range of personnel and different offensive systems, and he's been great in all of them. He's been great as a young QB doing little, going four wide and throwing short, being the king of the deep bomb with Moss, having two TE offenses, and he's just been good with all of it. Being so damn good for so long in a time when you're not supposed to be able to sustain excellence consistently due to parity is crazy.

And, yes, he's taken less than he could have gotten in terms of salary thanks to being married to someone even more ludicrously wealthy than him, but being willing to take less salary to have a better team around you is kind of a positive here.

Top_Shelf wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

Montana in the can't-touch-QBs era would feel like he's on a vacation. 100% fewer back injuries.

Every time someone gushes about LeBron, I imagine what obscene point totals MJ would have put up in today's game.

How about Randy Moss getting passes from Manning or Montana?

Or...Marino?

.,..or Brady. Oh, wait.

I don't see any answer that isn't Rice being remotely correct. Moss wouldn't even be number 2.

BTW: My six would be:

Brady, Rice, Moss, Munoz, White, and Dion.

I thought about doubling up at WR with Rice and Moss, but left tackle too valuable, especially if I'm going all-in with the "Montana without crippling back injuries" approach.

For playing The Yard in Madden 21, I'm taking Joe Montana, Randy Moss, Walter Payton, Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson, and Derrick Thomas.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Also, why the hell is Charles Woodson on this list?

John Lynch was busy.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Also also, for pointless debating, Emmitt Smith should be an option over Barry Sanders, who was far too likely to go backwards and kill drives, and had too much bust in his boom-or-bust style.

Wash your mouth out with soap!

Barry Sanders averaged 1,500 yards per season and just under 100 yards per game on a poor Detroit team. He was the exact opposite of boom and bust. He carried that team on his back for a decade.

10 Pro Bowls. 4 rushing titles. MVP once.

Emmitt Smith was a great player, but he was fantastic on a much, much better team. Barry Sanders was greater-er!

Everyone who didn’t say Bo Jackson is wrong and also wrong.

I'll see your Bo Jackson, and raise you a Herschel Walker.

Well, the Dallas Cowboys and Minnesota Vikings Herschel Walker.

And that behind the back ball-switch in the clip of The Yard probably means that I'll be buying my first full-sized Madden in 20 years. Well enabled.

TheGameguru wrote:

Everyone who didn’t say Bo Jackson is wrong and also wrong.

He's not one of the choices!

I would spend one of my six on a running back if it was Bo Jackson. Even in the modern NFL, 230 pounds that runs 4.2 flat is an unstoppable weapon.

*Legion* wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

Everyone who didn’t say Bo Jackson is wrong and also wrong.

He's not one of the choices!

I would spend one of my six on a running back if it was Bo Jackson. Even in the modern NFL, 230 pounds that runs 4.2 flat is an unstoppable weapon.

Can I offer you a 250 back that runs 4.53? Also has big legs.

This has been my news feed during camps essentially. AJ Dillon has big legs watch out!

Not sure if being a big leg model translates into NFL success though.