Coronavirus Tales

Top_Shelf wrote:
billt721 wrote:

Got 2 calls from daughter's (9yo, 4th grade) school yesterday. First one was that she'd been a 'close contact' to someone who was last in class Monday and subsequently tested positive. Because of that positive test, any unvaccinated student was sent home and has to quarantine then test to come back. Vaccinated students are allowed to stay. Turns out half her damn class was unvaccinated, and one of those kids tested positive yesterday afternoon, necessitating the second call.

She's fine so far, but I cannot even describe how annoyed I am about so few of her classmates being vaccinated.

Only 17% of US kids under 12 vaxxed.

8 in 10 parents haven't gotten their kids vaxxed!!!

It's almost funny. I couldn't believe that number since most of the parents I know have gotten their kids vax'd. Then I of course realized the others aren't announcing that they aren't.

It's crazy.

We're talking in the other thread about the inability for collective action to take place and how systems are not producing good outcomes for the group.

I just don't understand why schools aren't requiring vaccine records for this..lIke they already do for other communicable diseases.

Wish my kids school did. Wish my local health department was working this for the last year to get the rules in place. Wish my state was pushing this statewide. Wish my national legislature was working this.

Hahaha.

Do any (public) schools require yearly flu vaccines? I don't believe so, which means a covid requirement is also not going to happen.

garion333 wrote:

Do any (public) schools require yearly flu vaccines? I don't believe so, which means a covid requirement is also not going to happen.

No, but MMR and the other early-childhood vaccines are usually required, aren't they? My daughter's school does a yearly 'get your flu shot at school' thing, and they also did the covid shots right at the school. And yet.... It's all so disappointing.

I used to think that the most likely great filter solution to Fermi's Paradox was the fallout from rapid industrialization/climate change, but now I'm not so sure. The reaction to this has me pretty convinced that a more deadly pandemic will absolutely wipe out the human race.

They're weighing the damage done by risking the disease against the damage done to all the kids whose parents would haul their kids out of school over it and "homeschool" them instead. It's not an easy choice.

Right, MMR, Chickenpox, etc, are all one time or long lasting vaccines, unlike Covid. The reason I asked is because if the govt doesn't want to mandate yearly flu vaccines they aren't likely to do Covid ones.

I do expect they'll be giving Covid shots to go with flu shot clinics. Or maybe it'll still be too political. Who knows?

billt721 wrote:

The reaction to this has me pretty convinced that a more deadly pandemic will absolutely wipe out the human race.

Possibly, or a more deadly disease will scare folks into action. The moment it became apparent that Covid kills the elderly and not kids all bets were off in the US.

If it killed kids like it killed the elderly though you'd probably have parents yelling at the teachers union to keep kids at home and not in school.

Yeah, just like we decided to finally do something about our rampant gun problem when they started being used to kill kids at school regularly.

Anti-vax doesn't have the same money behind it as guns.

But we should probably drop this as this isn't the D&D thread.

billt721 wrote:

I used to think that the most likely great filter solution to Fermi's Paradox was the fallout from rapid industrialization/climate change, but now I'm not so sure. The reaction to this has me pretty convinced that a more deadly pandemic will absolutely wipe out the human race.

There was a Clancy novel (of all things) twenty years ago where some environmental terrorist group built some 12 Monkeys kind of disease and released it at the Olympics as a mist to try and wipe out everyone except their cabal who had the antidote. I remember laughing at it like, "No way could something really move that fast" and yet here we are in a much more connected world.

Top_Shelf wrote:
billt721 wrote:

I used to think that the most likely great filter solution to Fermi's Paradox was the fallout from rapid industrialization/climate change, but now I'm not so sure. The reaction to this has me pretty convinced that a more deadly pandemic will absolutely wipe out the human race.

There was a Clancy novel (of all things) twenty years ago where some environmental terrorist group built some 12 Monkeys kind of disease and released it at the Olympics as a mist to try and wipe out everyone except their cabal who had the antidote. I remember laughing at it like, "No way could something really move that fast" and yet here we are in a much more connected world.

That was the original Rainbow Six book. I enjoyed it at the time.

lunchbox12682 wrote:
Top_Shelf wrote:
billt721 wrote:

I used to think that the most likely great filter solution to Fermi's Paradox was the fallout from rapid industrialization/climate change, but now I'm not so sure. The reaction to this has me pretty convinced that a more deadly pandemic will absolutely wipe out the human race.

There was a Clancy novel (of all things) twenty years ago where some environmental terrorist group built some 12 Monkeys kind of disease and released it at the Olympics as a mist to try and wipe out everyone except their cabal who had the antidote. I remember laughing at it like, "No way could something really move that fast" and yet here we are in a much more connected world.

That was the original Rainbow Six book. I enjoyed it at the time.

That's right! I did too. I really liked all those characters, John Clark and Ding Chavez. My politics have taken a huge leftward turn over the last 25 years but I'll bet they work that storyline (pandemic, less the green terrorism tip) in to one of the Michael B Jordan movies or the Jon Krasinski show.

Now my dad and stepmother are positive, but six days in before they mentioned it. (I live a six hour drive away.). Body aches were bad, very snotty, but getting better.

In another party of the country from them my stepsister is positive. Niece and brother in law likely to follow.

As "promised", the whole world is being exposed to Omicron. Pretty much impossible not to be.

Welp, wife woke up with a cough and sore throat. We had at-home tests from Kaiser, so we both did them and drove them over to turn them in. The she finds out her student teacher tested positive. So yeah, it's probably hit us.

Good luck mate. Hope you and your loved ones get through it okay.

Dejanzie, if your friends are not able to understand being careful of others health, well, these days that's not something you want in a friend. I think you did the right thing, in the right way.

Robear wrote:

Dejanzie, if your friends are not able to understand being careful of others health, well, these days that's not something you want in a friend. I think you did the right thing, in the right way.

Agreed 100%. One of the most depressing things about this entire thing is seeing how many people in my life, who I thought were caring individuals who actually gave a sh*t about other people, actually are nothing of the kind.

Robear wrote:

Dejanzie, if your friends are not able to understand being careful of others health, well, these days that's not something you want in a friend. I think you did the right thing, in the right way.

Quote - for when a like just isn't enough.

Agreed 100%. One of the most depressing things about this entire thing is seeing how many people in my life, who I thought were caring individuals who actually gave a sh*t about other people, actually are nothing of the kind.

So true and so heartbreaking
Really need to try and get some KN-95s...

Distrust anyone you know who likes Ayn Rand.

I think you could have left it at "avoid anyone who likes Ayn Rand."

Yeah, probably, although the reason is important.

I like Ayn Rand.

She's an excellent dickhead detector. Worth her weight in gold.

fangblackbone wrote:
Agreed 100%. One of the most depressing things about this entire thing is seeing how many people in my life, who I thought were caring individuals who actually gave a sh*t about other people, actually are nothing of the kind.

So true and so heartbreaking
Really need to try and get some KN-95s...

https://shop.projectn95.org/masks

I got mine in less than a week a lil while ago. Takes longer now due to demand.

fangblackbone wrote:
Agreed 100%. One of the most depressing things about this entire thing is seeing how many people in my life, who I thought were caring individuals who actually gave a sh*t about other people, actually are nothing of the kind.

So true and so heartbreaking
Really need to try and get some KN-95s...

PM’d you

Lowes and Home Depot have 3M N95s in stock around here for $2.50-3.00 a mask.

Wow that's a lot more expensive than these KN95s I ordered recently.

https://bonafidemasks.com/Powecom-kn...

There is no US certification for KN95 masks and a study found over half of the ones on the market are fake and do not filter what they claim. N95s you at least know what you are getting and they are better than even real KN95s. Plus 3M literally invented the N95 mask, so you know it will work.

I mean the best mask is the one you will wear of course, but if you are specifically seeking out an upgrade over cloth masks you already have, might as well go N95 if you can afford it. And if you want something tomorrow, not shipped, I was just mentioning a source where we found them.

Just ordered some for our house as my next batch of KN95s from Amazon won't be here for another week. Plenty at my local Home Depot will pickup tomorrow. Thanks Leaping!

I saw a similar report that said something like 40% of KN95 masks are fake, even when bought from legitimate sources. They also said that cloth masks are less the 50% effective against omicron and surgical masks are around 50%.

N95 is the best option since when it is fitted it is nearly 99% effective against omicron. This is probably why omicron is spreading so rapidly since most people are wearing cloth and surgical masks.

Just as a reference point, almost no one wears KN95s or N95s here.