Looking for mouse recommendations

Woeful backstory: My daily driver mouse for a little over 1.5 years, up until last fall, was a Mionix Naos 7000. Then the scroll wheel click stopped working.

After some deliberation I got a Razer Naga Trinity. Now after less than 6 months the scroll wheel on it has started to randomly jerk upwards on its own.

Now I'm frustrated and at a loss what to try next.

Things I don't care much about in a mouse which online reviews spend a lot of time discussing:

  • Weight (I don't play FPS games much right now and I will never be at the skill level where my mouse being too heavy is seriously holding me back)
  • Sensor quality, within reason (see above comments about not gaming competitively, although I would appreciate it if my cursor goes where I tell it rather than where it thinks I want it go, which I understand is a problem on laser sensor mice)
  • Wired vs wireless
  • Advanced software features like the ability to save different macros and profiles (the Naga can do this and I've fiddled with it a little because it's there but I would never miss it; if the mouse has lighting I want to be able to change the color or turn it off, though)
  • Other gimmicks like the absurd biometric tracking Mionix touts on the Naos QG, their replacement for my old Naos 7000

What I DO want from a mouse more than anything is, a comfortable, ergonomic shape that fills my hand. My hands are not overly large (I can't palm a basketball) but they are relatively wide, not delicate slim elf hands, and I use a palm grip.

Unfortunately most of the mice that have a shape like this seem to be aimed at MMO players, and come with many superfluous extra buttons I will never use on the side but which would rather just annoy me by their presence. The Naga Trinity had the advantage of its side plates being swappable so I could use one with just the "normal" amount of side buttons (although I have experimented with the 7-button one in some games), which is why I chose it to replace my Mionix. Unfortunately malfunctions starting to appear less than 6 months in confirms in my mind bad reports I've heard of Razer's build quality, and at $100 I don't feel like throwing good money after bad for a second Naga.

Which brings me to my other point, that of course I'd prefer to not pay more than I have to. I'm willing to be a little spendy on something I'll use every day for hopefully at least the next couple years, but if I want to get something that will last, and not feel like I'm paying extra for bullsh*t with no practical purpose (looking at you and your heartbeat tracking, Mionix).

Options I'm considering, not exhaustive

  • Mionix Naos 3200 - This is my old mouse with a worse sensor, I'd probably never notice the difference, but it's also out of production and while some Amazon seller has some to sell at the moment I don't want to get in a habit of scrounging for old stock, especially considering as much as I loved the comfort the lifespan on my Mionix wasn't that impressive
  • Qpad 8k and Dream Machines DM2 Comfy - These are the same shape/shell as the Naos but neither of them appears to be available to easily buy in the US so they're not practical solutions
  • Razer Deathadder whatever-the-current-model is - Nicely big (though not as ergonomic) and relatively cheap, but they apparently fall apart, especially the side grips, and I'm not kindly disposed to Razer right now after my Naga experience
  • Corsair M65 - I've used one of these a bit and I appreciated how w i d e it is but I found the way the top and side plates join at almost a right angle hard to get used to, it's like wrapping my hand around a box
  • SteelSeries Rival 500 - Leader in the clubhouse right now, this is an MMO-oriented (comfy design) mouse but it has its sh*t-ton of buttons integrated into the mouse shape rather than just slapped on the side in a grid... so that's cool, and I've used SteelSeries mice in the past I was pleased with... would just rather not spend $80 for features I don't need if there's any alternative I'm missing

Thanks in advance for any suggestions anybody might have!

Left field suggestion.

So, I've stopped using standard mice because of tendinitis issues and find the ergonomic ones much better to use. It took about a week of some minor aches and pains to adjust to the new mouse, but I highly recommend them.

Why am I linking the Monoprice one? Because it's cheap. It won't last you a terribly long time, but it will give you an idea if some of the ergo designs might be good for you.

That said, I'm generally partial to Logitech because of the build quality. They last a long time and while they don't have the neat features of a Razer, they don't due as often as a Razer.

garion333 wrote:

Left field suggestion.

So, I've stopped using standard mice because of tendinitis issues and find the ergonomic ones much better to use. It took about a week of some minor aches and pains to adjust to the new mouse, but I highly recommend them.

Why am I linking the Monoprice one? Because it's cheap. It won't last you a terribly long time, but it will give you an idea if some of the ergo designs might be good for you.

That said, I'm generally partial to Logitech because of the build quality. They last a long time and while they don't have the neat features of a Razer, they don't due as often as a Razer.

I'll admit to being intrigued by those vertical mice because I live in fear of getting carpal tunnel someday. I did receive a very nice Razer Vespula mousepad with a wrist-rest built in as a Christmas gift (hopefully not too much for Razer's crap build quality to effect there) which has allayed my anxiety somewhat, and since I'm not actually having any RSI/tendinitis symptoms yet I can't really justify trying to get used to a vertical mouse without a pressing reason. Also it's not just the Monoprice one, pretty much all of them aside from one Logitech wireless model seem to be very cheap and from no-name brands, so I figure I'd be replacing them constantly.

Yeah, offhand, Logitech is the only one I know with a truly high end vert.

Btw, this part, was about mice in general:

That said, I'm generally partial to Logitech because of the build quality. They last a long time and while they don't have the neat features of a Razer, they don't due as often as a Razer.

I truly think Logitech hits the price/performance/reliability trio for me. I end up getting rid of their mice because I've grown tired of them, not because they've broken.

People in another forum keep recommending me the Logitech G502 and I don't get it, it doesn't look particularly ergo to me aside from the little thumb shelf. The right side appears to be concave, which is the opposite of what I think of as comfortable?

Middcore wrote:

People in another forum keep recommending me the Logitech G502 and I don't get it, it doesn't look particularly ergo to me aside from the little thumb shelf. The right side appears to be concave, which is the opposite of what I think of as comfortable?

Dunno, don't have that one, but it appears to be similar to the ergo design of the vertical mice I was talking about. There may be something to their claims.

You can probably find that one at Best Buy and give it a try.

Personally, I like the Logitech MX Master (although I'm personally using version 1, not v.3 that I linked). It's not as ergo as Garion's suggestion, but it is far more ergonomic than the Razers I've been forced to use at work, and most gaming mice I've seen. For me, at least, it's super comfy and has just enough buttons and mapping functionality for me to jump between 3D design and gaming. It lasts a LONG time on a charge, as well.

I have been using Anker Ergo Mice since 2013 and they have proven to last well. Pretty similar to the one Garion posted but with back and forward buttons above the thumb instead.

There is this one:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BIFNTMC...

But I prefer this one which isn't in stock right now (slightly lower profile and more rounded):

https://www.anker.com/products/varia...

I have also used the G602 for years which is probably similar to the G502. They are actually pretty comfortable but not as good for the wrist as a vertical mouse. In terms of durability my first G602 lasted about 3-4 years then started the dreaded Logitech double left click. I have a Logitech price watch and these were just $23 1-2 days ago. They go on sale about once a month.

My second G602 has since been replaced by an MX Master that I'm use now. Very comfortable but pricey. Also probably most in line with what you describe you are looking for. My impressions match what Wipeout said above.

Corsairs are generally great for claw-grippers like myself? I imagine their back end shape would feel cramped to a palm person.

Amoebic wrote:

Corsairs are generally great for claw-grippers like myself? I imagine their back end shape would feel cramped to a palm person.

The Corsair Ironclaw is apparently specifically targeted at people with big mitts and palm grip so I guess I should look at that. The thing is, like I said, I don't really think my hands are very big, we aren't looking for a mouse for Johnny Bench here, just a little wide proportionately. My grip I guess is really a bit in between a palm and a claw. I just like having a shape that conforms to my hand and lots of support for the "non-clicking" fingers, because I realized otherwise I have a tendency to drag my pinky on the mouse pad.

I've been trying to figure this out since my RAT5 died. It was such a good mouse, and one day the board started shorting.

I use a Logitech G600 at work which is an MMO style mouse with 12 thumb buttons. Width wise it fits me really well, and I've set macros for the buttons to paste linux commands that I use all the time. But for gaming it's a bit cumbersome to try to map some of the buttons for what I use and then have a bunch of other buttons I can't remember what I set them to... Which is a shame because I actually bought two of these on sale, so I have one just sitting in reserve.

I currently have a G402 at home which has worked fairly well, but it's too skinny for my hand. Nothing else really wrong with it, but it becomes uncomfortable after a while. The funny thing is that I have a G502 sitting beside me that I had delivered to me at work today, which I'm itching to go home and try out. So I'll edit this once I get some time in with it.

I don't get the appeal of Razer. They look neat but don't seem as functional. Corsair has nearly gotten my money a couple times but Logitech tends to run a bit cheaper, with more options, and I've yet to have one of these die on me so build quality is pretty good. The Nightsword looks like it'd fit me really well, and has the buttons I'd want, but I don't want to drop $80 on a mouse when I really need a new desk.

Edit: Not sure about the G502 (SE Hero Version). It's pretty much the same size so still feels a bit too skinny, and the lack of resistance on the scroll wheel... is bothersome for some reason. I'm so used to a bit of resistance and a clicky feel to scrolling that it feels really weird without it. The general feel of moving it around and the button clicks is nice, I do like the look, but if I can't get past the silky smooth scrolling I might end up sending this back. I'll give it a couple hours before really making a decision.

Edit Edit: Just not feeling it. The scroll wheel kept switching my weapons in Division 2 without me wanting it to, I couldn't get the little weight compartment to shut all the way, and it wasn't as wide as I would have wanted anyway... so I'll run it over for a refund tomorrow. It's kind of sad that the G402 feels so much better to go back to.

Logitech M570 or MX Ergo. Once you go trackball you never go back.

LeapingGnome wrote:

Logitech M570 or MX Ergo. Once you go trackball you never go back.

OK, we can shut this thread down I guess.

Middcore wrote:

People in another forum keep recommending me the Logitech G502 and I don't get it, it doesn't look particularly ergo to me aside from the little thumb shelf. The right side appears to be concave, which is the opposite of what I think of as comfortable?

I had a 402 for awhile until the left button crapped out (at like a year, which upset me), and it's a little smaller than the 502. I found it very ergonomic, but I use claw grip on mice. I think palm-grippers probably prefer the larger models, and I think that one might be uncomfortable, held in that way. I'm not sure the 502 would be enough bigger to compensate.

Staples and Office Depot will often have mice out for trial. I think, however, that if you use a store's facilities to try something like that, you should probably buy it there, and they're almost always more expensive than Internet stores.

Reviving thread out of pure peevish frustration, basically:

I got a Corsair Ironclaw wireless and while I have some annoyances with the iCUE software, it's the most comfortable mouse I've used next to the Mionix.

Now after three months of use it's doing the phantom double-click thing that just about all of Corsair's current mice apparently end up doing. Submitted a support ticket to Corsair, no answer yet.

My next stop would be Logitech but all of their mice that I really like the looks of are pretty expensive and I am pretty sick of throwing money away on new mice that barely last longer than a British TV season. Plus I kind of like all my peripherals to be the same brand for the sake of software simplicity and all of Logitech's keyboards that I like cost an actual small fortune.

My recent experience with Logitech has not been good.

Malor wrote:

My recent experience with Logitech has not been good.

There are hella Google results (kids still say 'hella' right?) for Logitech mice developing phantom double-clicks as well.

I picked up an on Razer Death Adder Elite during a Target sale a few months ago, and haven't had any problems yet. There is a bit of software (which I honestly, very seldom use), so the customization is there if you desire.

Malor wrote:

My recent experience with Logitech has not been good.

I have a wired Logitech G500 I bought in 2012. Maybe "they don't make 'em like they used to" but I have had no problems with this thing over the last 8 years with constant daily use.

They seem to have started cheaping out on construction sometime around 2015-2016. I'm using a G400 from your timeframe right now, and it's mostly fine, although the right-click is getting slightly unreliable.

Meanwhile, two newer mice of theirs both died.

cartoonin wrote:

I picked up an on Razer Death Adder Elite during a Target sale a few months ago, and haven't had any problems yet. There is a bit of software (which I honestly, very seldom use), so the customization is there if you desire.

Anecdotal durability-wise, I have one Death Adder for the gaming machine that developed minor click issues after 5 years (was dropping a left click every few hours), which I replaced with the same thing, and one that's still working fine on the work machine just shy of 5 years from the purchase date.

No complaints on build quality, and the only thing I installed the software for was to turn off the lighting and adjust the DPI after initial hookup, then uninstalled it.