F1 2020 Season Spoiler Filled Race Talk

r013nt0 wrote:

Also gutted; Ferrari.
What a dreadful showing today. Again. The only team slower than they were last year. Again.

I mean, Leclerc made the top 10 in FP2.

Granted, Albon and Ricciardo had their best laps deleted, and otherwise he'd have been P11 just like in FP1, but still.

Speaking of Ricciardo though, that deleted lap was one hell of a time -- split the Mercs when it first registered. Not sure if would have stayed there until the end of the session, but still, he might be on for something good this week.

Sainz looked really good too there.

And I forget exactly what the stat was, but Crofty or somebody said that Ferrari has [always] had at least one car in the top 10 on the grid at Monza. And that streak might end this weekend...

Huh, didn't realize that McLaren and Williams are #2 and #3 on the F1 wins list, but neither have a race win since 2012.

Williams really just ceased being competitive after mid-aughts, huh?

They sure did. No funds leads to no engineering. Sad to see.

This qualifying is a sh*tshow yet again. This circuit needs one-shot instead. This is absurd and dangerous.

Yep. Mercedes are about to win their seventh straight Constructor's title and still have to win in 2021 and again in 2022 just to catch up to Williams who haven't won the Constructor's title since 1997.

It's hard to explain just how good they were for large parts of the 80s and 90s. Frank, Patrick Head and then Adrian Newey were all monsters.

Well, that was a thing.

Not spoiling that for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

Mr Bismarck wrote:

Yep. Mercedes are about to win their seventh straight Constructor's title and still have to win in 2021 and again in 2022 just to catch up to Williams who haven't won the Constructor's title since 1997.

It's hard to explain just how good they were for large parts of the 80s and 90s. Frank, Patrick Head and then Adrian Newey were all monsters.

It’s not like Williams didn’t have good cars and good people after Newey left. Newey’s replacement was Loic Bigois, who eventually left to join Honda and was the Aero guy for Brawn GP car. I feel the funding cap thing is something Williams only cared about after they lost their tobacco money. They had really good years under the BMW deal and I believe Frank was looking to exit with Williams being sold to become the BMW works team (The relationship broke down and BMW bought Sauber). I am not really sad to see Williams go because I don’t really know if it mattered that the Williams family was involved. Clare was originally the Press officer and her degree is in Politics. Frank was a weirdo who when he found he couldn’t be a top flight racing driver wanted to run a top flight racing team, but he was less and less involved and I never got the impression Clare would have been involved in F1 if it wasn’t the family business.

Spoiler:

- Closest finish between the top 2 since Singapore 2010.

- First podium without any of the Big Three (Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari) in the Hybrid Era.

- First victory for a french driver since Monaco '96. (Olivier Panis - Ligier Mugen Honda)

- First victory for a french driver in Monza since '89. (Alain Prost - Mclaren Honda)

- First victory for AlphaTauri (Toro Rosso) since Monza '08.

- Best place finish for a Mclaren car since Australia '14.

- First double DNF for Ferrari in Monza since '95

Also, credit to Ferrari for figuring out that they can't disappoint the Tifosi with bad finishing positions if they don't finish at all.

Yeah, wow, that was a hell of a race.

Spoiler:

Extremely excited for Gasly and Sainz, but it should have been a McLaren 2-3. While I can understand the arguments that put the rule in place to allow a tire change during a red flag, that was effectively a free pit stop (ie, 25 seconds!) for Stroll, and I'm solidly of the opinion that Norris should have been on the third step today.

Also, I'm curious how damaged Bottas' car actually was. I think he's a great guy and a strong hot lapper, but if you ever needed a demonstration of just how out of this world talented Hamilton is, you just got it today. Thanks to the already long pit stop time at Monza that penalty was worth 35 seconds, and Hamilton came out 25 seconds behind the last car in the pack. Not only did he quickly burn through that gap, he then fought past ten cars to end up two behind Bottas, who had struggled the entire race to pass just two or three. What a drive. Gasly clearly deserved driver of the day and Sainz also delivered a strong race, but after that Hamilton's dominance was (for a change for most viewers, I suppose) one of the absolute highlights of the day.

I'm not sure it's that easy to compare. Hamilton was playing catch-up in mostly clean air and passing much slower cars. The top cars were all close enough that even when Valtteri was getting out of the wake of the car he was immediately behind, he was still in dirty air and in a draggy car.

Don't get me wrong, something was definitely off with him, and Lewis is absolutely the better driver. By a lot. But I'm not sure his progress would have continued much beyond that even with more laps.

The Stroll thing sucked. My McLaren boys should have both been on the podium. Still happy with that haul of points though.

I love not seeing blue flags. That's actually one of my favorite things about the race this weekend.

Last week good crazy race. This week not so much.

Yeah, crazy race. Unfortunately the usual boring result...

I mean, I'll take the result if that's the kind of race we get.

Well, the antivax stuff was dumb, but this is solidarity:

IMAGE(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhzluFsXsAYFBte?format=png&name=900x900)

Yeah, that's a rad shirt. Proud of him for wearing it during interviews.
Have to wonder how the sponsors feel about it though. I'm sure he'll get some angry emails.

Great race, in my opinion. Two red flags is absolutely unheard of, and since nobody was seriously injured we can just enjoy the carnage and slow motion replays of cf flying in all directions. Scary as hell from Sainz's camera, though. I'm happy about Albon getting his first podium, but not at the expense of Ricciardo, honestly. Alex seems like a good kid but man, Daniel being up there again after all the bs of the past few years and Cyril having to get inked would be so good.

What is going on with Bottas, though. The start of the race was a joke, and he just had absolutely no answer for Lewis' pace. Lewis managed to pull out, what, just about five seconds there in the last two laps? Yikes.

r013nt0 wrote:

What is going on with Bottas, though. The start of the race was a joke, and he just had absolutely no answer for Lewis' pace. Lewis managed to pull out, what, just about five seconds there in the last two laps? Yikes.

With Robottas that's a feature, not a bug.

He's the perfect teammate because he's fast enough to push Lewis, especially on Saturdays, fast enough to take points off the other front running constructors and absolutely not fast enough to threaten Lewis over the course of a season.

Mercedes get to wrap up the driver title, the constructor title and don't have to deal with any more Lewis vs Nico level stuff.

"Valtteri, this is James."

r013nt0 wrote:

"Valtteri, this is James."

This is a brilliant time in F1 history, because a couple races before that in Italy Arrivabene had conjured his glorious "Ferrari hire drivers, not butlers" statement. This is great in itself, but coming from Ferrari is just a :chefkiss: moment of beautiful hypocrisy.

It was such a nonsensical thing to say that when I first read it I thought it must be from a joke account, but no. It just so... choice.

I'm still laughing that he said it, two years later.

To quote Jim Wright of Stonekettle Station, "No more self-awareness than a dog licking its own ass in public."

"Valtteri, this is..." jokes have become a staple or race weekends for a couple of my friends and me at this point. It's really the gift that keeps on giving and giving and giving.

Prederick wrote:

Well, the antivax stuff was dumb, but this is solidarity:

LOL

Formula 1 bosses are looking into whether Lewis Hamilton broke rules at the Tuscan Grand Prix by wearing a T-shirt highlighting police brutality.

A spokesman for the FIA said the matter was "under active consideration".

He said the FIA was a non-political organisation and was considering if Hamilton's T-shirt broke its statutes.

The T-shirt said: "Arrest the cops who killed Breonna Taylor" - a black woman shot eight times in her Louisville, Kentucky home by US police in March.

Hamilton's shirt, which he wore during the pre-race anti-racism demonstration and on the podium, also said: "Say her name."

It was not immediately clear which statute from governing body the FIA was at issue.

I imagine Lewis is like "Please. Fine me. Punish me for this. Do that publically."