NFL 2020: Offseason

Top_Shelf wrote:

Can we talk XFL here?

I am loving Jerry Glanville's aviators + Trump hair tonight. I don't care that it's minor league football. It's paid pro player football in March!

We do have an XFL thread. At this point it’s mostly a St. Louis Battlehawks thread.

Marshall Yanda is retiring, which is bad news for the Ravens OL. He's gonna be tough to replace.

Oh, and more importantly, 2K and the NFL have come to a new deal to make "non-simulation" football games. First one is slated for 2021.

garion333 wrote:

Oh, and more importantly, 2K and the NFL have come to a new deal to make "non-simulation" football games. First one is slated for 2021.

What for, EA already makes non-simulation games.

garion333 wrote:

Marshall Yanda is retiring, which is bad news for the Ravens OL. He's gonna be tough to replace.

Oh, you need a former 1st team All-Pro guard to replace your former 1st team All-Pro guard? Jacksonville has just the guy for you.

garion333 wrote:

Oh, and more importantly, 2K and the NFL have come to a new deal to make "non-simulation" football games. First one is slated for 2021.

"XCOM but it's the NFL," you cowards!

*Legion* wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Oh, and more importantly, 2K and the NFL have come to a new deal to make "non-simulation" football games. First one is slated for 2021.

What for, EA already makes non-simulation games.

Yeah, I don't know what to make of that statement. I play the crap out of Madden 20 still, but it is about 75% Kickoff Superstar Mode, 15% MUT, and 10% other. Been messing around with Face of the Franchise, which is more fun than I assumed it would be, but that's not saying much. Playing it a sim is really doing it wrong.

I'm wondering if we are going to get a new version of All-Pro Football 2K8. Fill it up with legends and celebrities, Add in the customary card collectible mode, and they can probably make some money. They just won't be able to a season mode based on the real NFL. And for me, that's totally cool. I loved the idea of APF2K8, and wished they had already expanded on that idea.

I really have no idea, though, because simulation is such a loaded term and none of the parties involved have defined what that means.

I do think KO Superstar mode Madden 20 is pretty cool. You pick one of 8 base teams ranked from 1-5 in Run and Pass, bother offensively and defensively. Then draft three X-Factor guys to shore up a weakness or emphasize a strength. Unlike the regular game, these guys have their X-Factor skills on 100% of the time. They don't have to activate it and can't lose it.

The goal is to win four games. You are then given the opportunity to draft one more X-Factor guy before each game, so you have 6 out of your 22 with special powers always going.

The games are just an OT variation. Each team gets one drive, most points wins. No kicking, so you also go for two. If there is a tie, you play tug-a-war. the ball starts on the 50, and teams alternate. If team A gains five yeards, Team B is now starting from their 45. This goes for X number of plays, or when a TD is scored.

At first it was three plays. Now it is more plays, but they now shrink the endzones in 10 yards each after 2 plays each. Eventually, if no one budges, a team will win because the endzone engulfed their opponent.

It's fast-paced, has some interesting strategy in both building your team, and gameplay. I use the best defensive team usually, but they are the worst offensively. My goal is to get a QB and WR early. The HB for them is Derrick Henry, and he is great against guys always playing the pass. But the real limit is that there are just three formations, and each formation has three plays. Defensively, I have a ton of plays.

Every team has idiosyncrasies like that. One team has nothing better than nickel formations in defending the pass.

That ends up being more fun than trying to play Madden as a sim.

"Simulation" is likely the word that is in EA's agreement with the NFL, so 2K is able to come to terms because they're promising to not make "simulation" games with the property.

Tldr It's nada but legal mumbo jumbo so someone other than EA can produce sh*t.

Jayhawker wrote:

The games are just an OT variation. Each team gets one drive, most points wins. No kicking, so you also go for two. If there is a tie, you play tug-a-war. the ball starts on the 50, and teams alternate. If team A gains five yeards, Team B is now starting from their 45. This goes for X number of plays, or when a TD is scored.

At first it was three plays. Now it is more plays, but they now shrink the endzones in 10 yards each after 2 plays each. Eventually, if no one budges, a team will win because the endzone engulfed their opponent.

This is amazing. Would love to see this in the actual NFL (or try it in XFL).

Holy snap. CBA approved with a 17th game in 2021.

Vote was so close I'm shocked it was allowed to pass: 1019-959

Jags trade Campbell to the Ravens for 5 a 5th. Campbell will try and work out an extension.

Vector wrote:

Jags trade ALL WORLD Campbell to the Ravens for 5 a 5th. Campbell will try and work out an extension.

IT'S CHRISTMAS TIME FOR ME!

Also, ftfy.

garion333 wrote:

Holy snap. CBA approved with a 17th game in 2021.

Vote was so close I'm shocked it was allowed to pass: 1019-959

Ugh. The NFL didn't need a 17th game besides $$$$$$$.

I think what really tilted me besides the players really not needing to play an extra game is teams will now have 1 extra home game. This matters. Well this matters if the NFL cares about football being a sport with level playing fields.

That is not the Pro Bowl lineman I wanted the Jags to trade to Baltimore.

For the Jags, this is pure cap dump. Which makes me wonder if trying to keep Ngakoue is now their plan, despite him wanting to leave.

Jags not cleaning house with a new regime was a mistake.

garion333 wrote:

Holy snap. CBA approved with a 17th game in 2021.

Vote was so close I'm shocked it was allowed to pass: 1019-959

I think players' votes from smaller markets should be weighted over those from bigger markets.

Also: lol at those salary cap numbers which will crater next year after the sparse crowds that will happen for the 2020 season.

jowner wrote:

I think what really tilted me besides the players really not needing to play an extra game is teams will now have 1 extra home game.

Now every team can play a London or Mexico game every season?

Stele wrote:
jowner wrote:

I think what really tilted me besides the players really not needing to play an extra game is teams will now have 1 extra home game.

Now every team can play a London or Mexico game every season?

That's exactly what I assumed was going to happen.

That's probably the plan eventually.

16 actual extra games though. Pretty sure they don't have 16 neutral venues lined up for 2020 season.

Edit: especially since Mexico had a hard time hosting 1 game.

jowner wrote:

That's probably the plan eventually.

16 actual extra games though. Pretty sure they don't have 16 neutral venues lined up for 2020 season.

Edit: especially since Mexico had a hard time hosting 1 game.

Maybe they're planning on playing at neutral sites in the US.

Yeah there you go, expansion test markets.

garion333 wrote:
Vector wrote:

Jags trade ALL WORLD Campbell to the Ravens for 5 a 5th. Campbell will try and work out an extension.

IT'S CHRISTMAS TIME FOR ME!

Also, ftfy.

A pick they got for Kaare Vedvik.

I’m both surprised and disappointed that the owners used the specter of a pandemic the likes we haven’t seen in 100 years to tip the vote in favor of this CBA. We didn’t need a 17th game and certainly didn’t need 14 playoff teams and the Super Bowl now scheduled for late Feb. Like Thursday night football sometimes too much is too much.

IMHO they're screwing themselves over in the long run. That's fine. They can lie in their graves of their own making. Records are falling all over the place anyway, so it's not like adding a 17th game will have a huge impact on records. Single season sack record may fall finally.

I'm sure Bill O'Brien thought everyone would be too busy to notice this.

Yeah, that's dumb.

TheGameguru wrote:

I’m both surprised and disappointed that the owners used the specter of a pandemic the likes we haven’t seen in 100 years to tip the vote in favor of this CBA.

That's not my interpretation of what's happened. On the contrary, I think the owners would have quietly been happy with a failed CBA vote and an opportunity to re-open negotiations.

What is on the table is the owners' pre-corona offer. To quote an "impeccable ownership source" in Peter King's column a week ago:

Every time the market goes down 1,000 points, an owner says, ‘Can I have my vote back?

I can only imagine that has become even more true in the corona ramp-up of the past week.

According to CBA coverage in The Athletic, the NFL came to the table (months ago) with the position that the 17th game was non-negotiable. The choice given to the union was either to negotiate what they wanted in return, or walk away and head towards work stoppage.

I think, if the league knew coronavirus was going to happen, their offer would have been much more miserly. I think they would have jumped at the chance to roll back their offer if the NFLPA rejected what was put on the table before the outbreak.

As a fan, I don't like the 17th game or the playoff expansion. I was on board with the idea of creating an 18th week of regular season by way of increasing the bye week count to 2, allowing for another week of nationally televised games without actually increasing the number of games played.

But the NFL came to the table firm in their demand for the 17th game, and the NFLPA leadership agreed to negotiate from that starting point, long before anyone was getting sick.

DeAndre Hopkins traded to Arizona for David Johnson and a 2nd.

Also the teams swap some 4ths (Arizona gets Houston's 4th, Houston gets Arizona's 2021 4th)

49ers sign Arik Armstead to a 5 year deal.

Wasn't looking forward to seeing him leave, but there team's investment at D-line seems pretty heavy. This better not impact extending Buckner.

Armstead reportedly negotiated with a willingness to take a discount to stay in SF. No numbers yet but hopefully that was true.

Falcons trade TE Austin Hooper to the Browns, then trade with the Ravens to get Hayden Hurst to replace him.

Well maybe I'll finally get some dynasty fantasy value out of Hurst.

Supposedly some local Cleveland media is claiming the Browns are in discussions with the 49ers for a trade of Odell Beckham Jr.

It's pretty thin as far as rumors go, but we do know that (a) the Browns are open to OBJ trade offers, and (b) the ShanaLynch 49ers have tried trading for OBJ twice already.

I had been thinking about this sort of trade possibility and was going to post something suggesting it, but the asset that I had penciled in going to Cleveland was Arik Armstead, in a tag-and-trade scenario. Now that Armstead is signed to a new deal, it won't be him.

The 31st overall draft pick is an option, but that would leave the 49ers with no draft picks at all until round 5. Rounds 2-4 all gone in the trades for Dee Ford and Emmanuel Sanders. Possibly a trade with Cleveland could involve a pick coming back, but my feeling is the team is going to look to trade down from 31 to collect a few picks in rounds 2-4 and rebuild their draft.

So what other asset possibilities? Well, since Armstead represents another big spend at D-line, it could be getting rid of someone else. I don't think they're going to move Buckner, but it's a possibility until he's signed an extension. Dee Ford? Well that's interesting, given how big of a cap number he is for the 49ers compared to his relatively low snap count.

I initially dismissed the idea of Ford as the Browns have Garrett and Olivier Vernon, and then I looked up Vernon's 2019 numbers and, wow, 3.5 sacks. Even playing on such a limited snap count, Ford nearly doubled that, and also had a significantly better pressure rate. And Vernon is on the books for $15.5m, the team's biggest cap figure, which seems like something that won't stand. None of it is guaranteed, so he can be flipped with no dead money.

Might they trade OBJ to get Ford and his 4 contracted years, and then flip Vernon's 1 remaining year to someone else?

Most likely, OBJ-to-49ers will once again not come to pass, but if it were to happen, I think it would have to either be the draft pick or Ford, and Ford would really help because of how much cap space the move would clear.